Suns complain about Giannis FT attempts after hacking him all night. Footage included.

[RB34]

Giannis got called for one foul too.

Right, so to make it fair how many fouls should he start with? Or like if Ayton takes yet another mid range jumper do they just call a foul on giannis for being near him? Whats the plan here?

No he shouldn’t start with extra fouls. He should just get called for them when he commits them.

[Blame Rasho]

I would like it if once a coach would say…” you know what, x player was really good at exploiting our defense and drawing fouls, we needed to do better at guarding him in certain situations and not give him the chance at free throws” and boom instant respect for me and likely the refs the next game.

[Floody100]

If he actually got called for the egregious carrying he gets away with then we wouldn’t have this problem lol

[Ayt]

It's always hilarious when coaches/players/fans cry about how many free throws Giannis shoots when 75% of the time he's fouled it's intentional because Giannis is not a good free throw shooter.

Teams before the game: Foul Giannis, don't let him get anything easy. Make him have to make free throws.

Teams after the game, after playing hack-a-Giannis after they lose: This is so unfair, he shoots so many free throws.

The problem isnt how many fouls Giannis shot, but that the Bucks and Suns didn't shoot equal amounts. The refs job is to make sure the number is relatively balanced between the two teams and they failed to do that here. Wasn't even close.

You can't actually believe this.

[Mr Puddles]

The inconsistency in officiating is 100% the biggest issue the NBA is facing today.

If the refs are going to call the game tight, they need to call it tight on both ends. If they're going to allow physicality, allow physicality on both ends.

The problem right now is that refs are deciding what a foul is depending on who is dribbling the ball. You can't on the one hand call everything on Giannis and then allow Jrue to play ' physical defense' on Booker - this is something that needs to be consistently called throughout the game, not something refs should just be deciding willy nilly.

It's not that the refs are bad. It's that they're inconsistent.

Perserving the integrity of the game by supporting consistency in the way the game is officiated is something we should all be getting behind.

[Mr Puddles]

Booker said that "at least a couple of those can be called offensive fouls." I agree. There were probably three from that bunch that could have been no-calls or offensive fouls.

Giannis often gets calls in his favor on plays where he barges into defenders who are in position. It's been that way for years, and pretty much everyone acknowledges it except for some Bucks fans. It's not unique to him, of course, but he benefits.

No question that he benefits, but folks also need to realize that that benefit is 100% earned. Dudes been a legitimate MVP candidate year in year out for 5 or 6 seasons. Do that in the NBA, and you're going to get that whistle.

This is why it's good to have both sides of the argument out there.

You're not alone here in the argument that certain players should get special treatment and handouts, integrity of the game be damned. Reducing the NBA to a WWE style pro wrestling league, where favoritism is what determines games rather than basketball play. That is certainly a position to hold.

On the other hand, I'm with Monty in the sense that I think objective officiating and preserving the integrity of the game is important. A foul is a foul, regardless of who is dribbling the ball. No handout, no charity.

Again, it's good to have both sides of the debate out there - that's how issues get solved.

[skones]

Booker said that "at least a couple of those can be called offensive fouls." I agree. There were probably three from that bunch that could have been no-calls or offensive fouls.

Giannis often gets calls in his favor on plays where he barges into defenders who are in position. It's been that way for years, and pretty much everyone acknowledges it except for some Bucks fans. It's not unique to him, of course, but he benefits.

No question that he benefits, but folks also need to realize that that benefit is 100% earned. Dudes been a legitimate MVP candidate year in year out for 5 or 6 seasons. Do that in the NBA, and you're going to get that whistle.

This is why it's good to have both sides of the argument out there.

You're not alone here in the argument that certain players should get special treatment and handouts, integrity of the game be damned. Which is certainly a position to hold.

On the other hand, I'm with Monty in the sense that I think objective officiating and preserving the integrity of the game is important. A foul is a foul, regardless of who is dribbling the ball.

Again, it's good to have both sides of the debate out there - that's how issues get solved.

Should and reality of this league are entirely different. I don't think anyone should get preferential treatment in this league. With that being said, Giannis also ACTUALLY gets fouled more than any player in this league. For everyone who argues he gets preferential treatment, I can sit here and point to a number of other plays that ARE fouls that don't ultimately get called.

[NCHeels2008]

the only questionable call is the very first one, every other one was blatant

this is the new NBA though, play the victim instead of owning it

They love being a jump shooting team but expect to get crazy level of FTAs doing it, GTF out of here

[ReddoverKobe]

Giannis got called for one foul too.

Right, so to make it fair how many fouls should he start with? Or like if Ayton takes yet another mid range jumper do they just call a foul on giannis for being near him? Whats the plan here?

No he shouldn’t start with extra fouls. He should just get called for them when he commits them.

Sure, show everyone all these fouls he should have been called for

[RB34]

Right, so to make it fair how many fouls should he start with? Or like if Ayton takes yet another mid range jumper do they just call a foul on giannis for being near him? Whats the plan here?

No he shouldn’t start with extra fouls. He should just get called for them when he commits them.

Sure, show everyone all these fouls he should have been called for

Do you watch games?

[ReddoverKobe]

No he shouldn’t start with extra fouls. He should just get called for them when he commits them.

Sure, show everyone all these fouls he should have been called for

Do you watch games?

I did, so please show all the fouls you "know" happened. I'll even do part of it for you, He clearly got away with one charge.

[thebigbird]

Hard to stop him from rushing for 250 yards and 3 touchdowns every night with the way he’s officiated.

[Mr Puddles]

No question that he benefits, but folks also need to realize that that benefit is 100% earned. Dudes been a legitimate MVP candidate year in year out for 5 or 6 seasons. Do that in the NBA, and you're going to get that whistle.

This is why it's good to have both sides of the argument out there.

You're not alone here in the argument that certain players should get special treatment and handouts, integrity of the game be damned. Reducing the NBA to a WWE style pro wrestling league, where favoritism is what determines games rather than basketball play. That is certainly a position to hold.

On the other hand, I'm with Monty in the sense that I think objective officiating and preserving the integrity of the game is important. A foul is a foul, regardless of who is dribbling the ball. No handout, no charity.

Again, it's good to have both sides of the debate out there - that's how issues get solved.

Should and reality of this league are entirely different. I don't think anyone should get preferential treatment in this league. With that being said, Giannis also ACTUALLY gets fouled more than any player in this league. For everyone who argues he gets preferential treatment, I can sit here and point to a number of other players that ARE fouls that don't ultimately get called.

You literally just argued a minute ago that Giannis gets a favorable whistle, but that this whistle is earned due to his accolades.

And now you're saying he doesn't get favorable treatmentt.

That seems to be a bit of a contradictory message.

No question that he benefits, but folks also need to realize that that benefit is 100% earned. Dudes been a legitimate MVP candidate year in year out for 5 or 6 seasons. Do that in the NBA, and you're going to get that whistle.

Again, I support Monty's message of game be officiated equally, regardless of who has the ball in his hands. It's good that you seem to have changed your mind and agree now with Monty Williams that there should be no special charity cases, and that the game should be called objectively. Like I said before, this type of dialogue is how issues get resolved.

[RB34]

Sure, show everyone all these fouls he should have been called for

Do you watch games?

I did, so please show all the fouls you "know" happened. I'll even do part of it for you, He clearly got away with one charge.

Not sure why you put know in quotations I never said that.

If a bias fan can say he clearly got away with one then surely an objective observer will pick up the others.

[ReddoverKobe]

This is why it's good to have both sides of the argument out there.

You're not alone here in the argument that certain players should get special treatment and handouts, integrity of the game be damned. Reducing the NBA to a WWE style pro wrestling league, where favoritism is what determines games rather than basketball play. That is certainly a position to hold.

On the other hand, I'm with Monty in the sense that I think objective officiating and preserving the integrity of the game is important. A foul is a foul, regardless of who is dribbling the ball. No handout, no charity.

Again, it's good to have both sides of the debate out there - that's how issues get solved.

Should and reality of this league are entirely different. I don't think anyone should get preferential treatment in this league. With that being said, Giannis also ACTUALLY gets fouled more than any player in this league. For everyone who argues he gets preferential treatment, I can sit here and point to a number of other players that ARE fouls that don't ultimately get called.

You literally just argued a minute ago that Giannis gets a favorable whistle, but that this whistle is earned due to his accolades.

And now you're saying he doesn't get favorable treatmentt.

That seems to be a bit of a contradictory message.



Again, I support Monty's message of game be officiated equally, regardless of who has the ball in his hands. It's good that you seem to have changed your mind and agree now with Monty Williams that there should be no special charity cases, and that the game should be called objectively. Like I said before, this type of dialogue is how issues get resolved.

What issue? Your coach crying and refusing to change his defense? Not sure how thats a league issue

[ReddoverKobe]

Do you watch games?

I did, so please show all the fouls you "know" happened. I'll even do part of it for you, He clearly got away with one charge.

Not sure why you put know in quotations I never said that.

If a bias fan can say he clearly got away with one then surely an objective observer will pick up the others.

I'll take that as you cant. Have a great day.

[Mr Puddles]

Should and reality of this league are entirely different. I don't think anyone should get preferential treatment in this league. With that being said, Giannis also ACTUALLY gets fouled more than any player in this league. For everyone who argues he gets preferential treatment, I can sit here and point to a number of other players that ARE fouls that don't ultimately get called.

You literally just argued a minute ago that Giannis gets a favorable whistle, but that this whistle is earned due to his accolades.

And now you're saying he doesn't get favorable treatmentt.

That seems to be a bit of a contradictory message.



Again, I support Monty's message of game be officiated equally, regardless of who has the ball in his hands. It's good that you seem to have changed your mind and agree now with Monty Williams that there should be no special charity cases, and that the game should be called objectively. Like I said before, this type of dialogue is how issues get resolved.

What issue? Your coach crying and refusing to change his defense? Not sure how thats a league issue

I think I explained pretty clearly that my issue is with inconsistency in officiating.

I understand that this is the realgm general board so that I should lower my standards and expectations a bit, but to any objective reader this should have been pretty obvious.

[SkyBill40]

Should and reality of this league are entirely different. I don't think anyone should get preferential treatment in this league. With that being said, Giannis also ACTUALLY gets fouled more than any player in this league. For everyone who argues he gets preferential treatment, I can sit here and point to a number of other players that ARE fouls that don't ultimately get called.

You literally just argued a minute ago that Giannis gets a favorable whistle, but that this whistle is earned due to his accolades.

And now you're saying he doesn't get favorable treatmentt.

That seems to be a bit of a contradictory message.



Again, I support Monty's message of game be officiated equally, regardless of who has the ball in his hands. It's good that you seem to have changed your mind and agree now with Monty Williams that there should be no special charity cases, and that the game should be called objectively. Like I said before, this type of dialogue is how issues get resolved.

What issue? Your coach crying and refusing to change his defense? Not sure how thats a league issue

It's a league wide issue because it's not just the Suns who are seeing this kind of treatment. Take off your tinted glasses and open your eyes, homer. FFS.

[ReddoverKobe]

You literally just argued a minute ago that Giannis gets a favorable whistle, but that this whistle is earned due to his accolades.

And now you're saying he doesn't get favorable treatmentt.

That seems to be a bit of a contradictory message.



Again, I support Monty's message of game be officiated equally, regardless of who has the ball in his hands. It's good that you seem to have changed your mind and agree now with Monty Williams that there should be no special charity cases, and that the game should be called objectively. Like I said before, this type of dialogue is how issues get resolved.

What issue? Your coach crying and refusing to change his defense? Not sure how thats a league issue

I think I explained pretty clearly that my issue is with inconsistency in officiating.

I understand that this is the realgm general board so that I should lower my standards and expectations a bit, but to any objective reader this should have been pretty obvious.

Ah yes the passive aggressive take

If you want to stand by your coach whining that's fine. I would be more concerned he's still trying out a defense that has no shot at working but like you said it its realgm and I have to lower my standards.

On a side note you can really see how cp3 whining about everything has rubbed off on the rest of the suns. Kind of sad to be honest.

[skones]

You literally just argued a minute ago that Giannis gets a favorable whistle, but that this whistle is earned due to his accolades.

And now you're saying he doesn't get favorable treatmentt.

That seems to be a bit of a contradictory message.

No question that he benefits, but folks also need to realize that that benefit is 100% earned. Dudes been a legitimate MVP candidate year in year out for 5 or 6 seasons. Do that in the NBA, and you're going to get that whistle.

Again, I support Monty's message of game be officiated equally, regardless of who has the ball in his hands. It's good that you seem to have changed your mind and agree now with Monty Williams that there should be no special charity cases, and that the game should be called objectively. Like I said before, this type of dialogue is how issues get resolved.

Well, no I didn't. In the landscape of the league, he gets a favorable whistle at times. There are also times where fouls are ignored as a result of his overall playstyle and how many times Giannis has gotten to the line already in game. Both things can be true, they aren't contradictory at all.

And no, I didn't change my mind, but if building straw men makes you feel better, have at it.