Should James Harden have more all nba selections than Stephen Curry?

[Biggyd81]

The rings argument is a low IQ joke. Put Harden on GSW and Curry on the Rockets over the years, how many titles does Curry have?
I suggest zero and I'm sure GSW would still have theirs.

[Raps in 4]

Should a worse player have more All-NBA selections than a better player?

No.

[dhsilv2]

Harden is 1-4 in Conference Finals and was largely disappointing in the only Finals he played in. The media isn't going to give the nod to advanced stats over a proven generational player in Curry, who has the hardware and performances to back it up.

Even if Harden received a second MVP, Curry would still be considered a tier above Harden despite the direct comparisons on paper.

the nba playoffs are defined in the cba as a "bonus tournament".. im strictly talking about the regular season because these all nba, all nba nods are reflected upon regular season play not the playoffs. Harden has been colluded againist to protect curry, harden has finished in the top 10 in basketball reference mvp tracker the past 3 years with no all nba selection to show for it. Something aint adding up

I hear you, but it's somewhat unreasonable for voters to completely disregard Harden's failures in the playoffs when considering regular-season awards. I also feel like you're arbitrarily throwing the word collusion around to help cope with reality. There are levels to NBA stardom, and Harden clearly isn't on Curry's level.

Why exactly would NBA voters collude against Harden anyway? What do they get out of it? How is the collusion organized? Who is the chief architect of the collusion?

It's unreasonable for voters to do their job in a remotely unbiased way? That's like saying it's unreasonable for a doctor to treat you because you ate at mcdonalds.

That said, I don't think his lack of all nba selections the last 3 years have anything to do with the playoffs. He had no case in the 2 years prior. This year he has a good case and imo should be on there. But the voters went with younger guys with flashier scoring...which isn't shocking given the voters are generally just dumb.

[dhsilv2]

People want Jokic’s lack of playoff success ignored when talking about winning a 3rd MVP, giving him a total surpassing Shaq and Duncan combined

But when it comes to awarding Harden regular season accolades playoff success matters.

There is a big media bias against Harden and you’re 100% right OP. People will call him a ball hog even when he sacrifices his scoring and leads the league in assists

I mean I still very much want the 2001 MVP to be taken back from AI and given preferably to Duncan, but I'd be fine with Shaq getting it too. That would clean up that issue with jokic above!

[Marrrcuss]

:violin:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/nba_mvp_shares.html

like i said harden has had more mvp level seasons than curry

Get off bball ref and watch a game

This post is kind of proof of how sports fans like looking at Steph Curry. He has a look that goes over well.

No where, and never do we post picks of any other player. I mean, action shots every once in a while but photoshoots??? Absolutely never, lol. Imagine someone posting a picture of James Harden, Bron, hell, anyone outside of Wardell.

[dhsilv2]

Who knows. Same reason Harden lead the NBA with 11 assists per game but he IS NOT a point guard.
When Steph goes over 10 assists, we lose our minds and say we just witnessed greatness from "The GOAT point guard" who rarely even leads his team in assists.

There just something weird between those two and how the media and fans see them.

Harden has been a point guard and listed as such the last 3 seasons...

[Marrrcuss]

Who knows. Same reason Harden lead the NBA with 11 assists per game but he IS NOT a point guard.
When Steph goes over 10 assists, we lose our minds and say we just witnessed greatness from "The GOAT point guard" who rarely even leads his team in assists.

There just something weird between those two and how the media and fans see them.

Harden has been a point guard and listed as such the last 3 seasons...

He lead the NBA in assist from 16-17 too with 11.2 assists.
Its weird that the guy NEVER among the league leaders is the 'GOAT' of point guards.

I get it though. That two guard hierarchy would be too hard to climb.

[dhsilv2]

Who knows. Same reason Harden lead the NBA with 11 assists per game but he IS NOT a point guard.
When Steph goes over 10 assists, we lose our minds and say we just witnessed greatness from "The GOAT point guard" who rarely even leads his team in assists.

There just something weird between those two and how the media and fans see them.

Harden has been a point guard and listed as such the last 3 seasons...

He lead the NBA in assist from 16-17 too with 11.2 assists.
Its weird that the guy NEVER among the league leaders is the 'GOAT' of point guards.

I get it though. That two guard hierarchy would be too hard to climb.

I've honestly seen Harden as a point guard for roughly the last decade. Same with Lebron. Curry isn't a point guard, though at times he is the primary ball handler. But trying to get people understand there are more than 5 offensive roles would require basketball media to have enough IQ to explain it, and good luck with ESPN getting SAS to explain anything of substance.

[cpower]

The rings argument is a low IQ joke. Put Harden on GSW and Curry on the Rockets over the years, how many titles does Curry have?
I suggest zero and I'm sure GSW would still have theirs.

Watch on YouTube

lol someone has really bad memory it seems

[NBA4Lyfe]

The rings argument is a low IQ joke. Put Harden on GSW and Curry on the Rockets over the years, how many titles does Curry have?
I suggest zero and I'm sure GSW would still have theirs.

Watch on YouTube

lol someone has really bad memory it seems

Curry had zero points in the first half of that game. It was klay with his 25 first half points that matched hardens first half production. Also it was draymond, iggy, and klay wearing harden down by the 4th quarter.

Harden has had 3-5 different playoff games better than steph currys best playoff game according to basketball references game score metric

[SpreeS]

The rings argument is a low IQ joke. Put Harden on GSW and Curry on the Rockets over the years, how many titles does Curry have?
I suggest zero and I'm sure GSW would still have theirs.

Watch on YouTube

lol someone has really bad memory it seems

Curry had zero points in the first half of that game. It was klay with his 25 first half points that matched hardens first half production. Also it was draymond, iggy, and klay wearing harden down by the 4th quarter.

Harden has had 3-5 different playoff games better than steph currys best playoff game according to basketball references game score metric

Dont look at score metric, watch games like today

[SpreeS]

The rings argument is a low IQ joke. Put Harden on GSW and Curry on the Rockets over the years, how many titles does Curry have?
I suggest zero and I'm sure GSW would still have theirs.

Green would kill Harden. Kerr motion offence and Harden’s ball hogging like two different planets from different galaxies.

[NBA4Lyfe]

The rings argument is a low IQ joke. Put Harden on GSW and Curry on the Rockets over the years, how many titles does Curry have?
I suggest zero and I'm sure GSW would still have theirs.

Green would kill Harden. Kerr motion offence and Harden’s ball hogging like two different planets from different galaxies.

You don’t know what you are talking about

[Capn'O]

No

[dhsilv2]

The rings argument is a low IQ joke. Put Harden on GSW and Curry on the Rockets over the years, how many titles does Curry have?
I suggest zero and I'm sure GSW would still have theirs.

Green would kill Harden. Kerr motion offence and Harden’s ball hogging like two different planets from different galaxies.

This whole topic is terrible and Curry is clearly better than Harden. That said, Harden isn't a ball hog. He plays within the system his coaches want him to play in. He's ball dominate for sure, but what else would you do with a guy who's not an elite cutter? Coaches use them very well and he's rather adaptable and works with different types of players. The reality is those Rocket teams weren't very talented outside of the year that CP3 was there and health.

[durden_tyler]

Bump after Sixers can't close at home.

[michaelm]

Who knows. Same reason Harden lead the NBA with 11 assists per game but he IS NOT a point guard.
When Steph goes over 10 assists, we lose our minds and say we just witnessed greatness from "The GOAT point guard" who rarely even leads his team in assists.

There just something weird between those two and how the media and fans see them.

Harden has been a point guard and listed as such the last 3 seasons...

He is a great PG, probably better considered as a pure PG than Curry is, although the role Curry plays is better for his team than him playing as a more conventional PG, and I still take Curry over Harden as a leader and a player to build a team around.

As I have said before, if a young Harden and young KD had stayed together the history of the last decade or so of the NBA might be quite different Imo.

In terms of recognition he suffers from two things Imo, perhaps unfairly his failure to ultimately get it done in the play-offs as has been said, and the period over which he played Moreyball; spamming 3 FTs is obviously the most efficient way to score in a basketball game but not attractive to watch.

[SpreeS]

The rings argument is a low IQ joke. Put Harden on GSW and Curry on the Rockets over the years, how many titles does Curry have?
I suggest zero and I'm sure GSW would still have theirs.

Green would kill Harden. Kerr motion offence and Harden’s ball hogging like two different planets from different galaxies.

This whole topic is terrible and Curry is clearly better than Harden. That said, Harden isn't a ball hog. He plays within the system his coaches want him to play in. He's ball dominate for sure, but what else would you do with a guy who's not an elite cutter? Coaches use them very well and he's rather adaptable and works with different types of players. The reality is those Rocket teams weren't very talented outside of the year that CP3 was there and health.

Really? How ended all these combinations and projects? I talk about tensions not results.

Harden n’ Howard
Harden n’ Paul
Harden n’ Westbrook
Harden n’ Durant/Irving
Harden n’ Embiid (watch after game 7 with BOS)

[dhsilv2]

Who knows. Same reason Harden lead the NBA with 11 assists per game but he IS NOT a point guard.
When Steph goes over 10 assists, we lose our minds and say we just witnessed greatness from "The GOAT point guard" who rarely even leads his team in assists.

There just something weird between those two and how the media and fans see them.

Harden has been a point guard and listed as such the last 3 seasons...

He is a great PG, probably better considered as a pure PG than Curry is, although the role Curry plays is better for his team than him playing as a more conventional PG, and I still take Curry over Harden as a leader and a player to build a team around.

As I have said before, if a young Harden and young KD had stayed together the history of the last decade or so of the NBA might be quite different Imo.

In terms of recognition he suffers from 2 things Imo, perhaps unfairly his failure to ultimately get it done iin the play-offs as has been said, and the period over which he played Moreyball; spamming 3 FTs is obviously the most efficient way to score in a basketball game but not attractive to watch.

Agree with the first part completely. The reason he isn't all nba is a mix of missed games and the whole "quit on two teams" narrative which I think is BS. Throw in the defense stuff...which is unfair given how far people go, but not wrong if put in actual context. The playoff stuff hurt his MVP talk. The moreyball and foul chasing I'm sure didn't help him, but honestly it's how he left the rockets and nets, plus people not accepting he took a year to recover from the injury in the playoffs on the nets.

I'm unique in that I love Curry and Harden. They are likely my two favorite guards in the league right now. Not gonna lie even as a huge Curry fan, I was rooting for CP3 and Harden to beat the warriors that year. I'm hardly some biased anti Harden guy. It's sad that fans can't just accept reality...instead we have OP trying to talk about level of darkness as to why the media doesn't like someone....give me a freaking break.

[dhsilv2]

Green would kill Harden. Kerr motion offence and Harden’s ball hogging like two different planets from different galaxies.

This whole topic is terrible and Curry is clearly better than Harden. That said, Harden isn't a ball hog. He plays within the system his coaches want him to play in. He's ball dominate for sure, but what else would you do with a guy who's not an elite cutter? Coaches use them very well and he's rather adaptable and works with different types of players. The reality is those Rocket teams weren't very talented outside of the year that CP3 was there and health.

Really? How ended all these combinations and projects? I talk about tensions not results.

Harden n’ Howard
Harden n’ Paul
Harden n’ Westbrook
Harden n’ Durant/Irving
Harden n’ Embiid (watch after game 7 with BOS)

Howard and him were decent. Howard wasn't the same player he'd been early in his career after that back injury, ask any laker fan.
Paul and him were a top 10 team of the last 20 years, Paul got hurt and they lost. It was magical when they were both healthy!
Westbrook? come on man....
Harden was MVP level and was insane until he himself got hurt.
Embiid and Harden we'll see how it goes.