Should the Celtics consider trading Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum?

[TorontoBarneys]

Brown on a supermax is just going to be brutal. Siakam looking real good in comparison right now.

[vanhowell]

Brown for Herro + 18th pick this year

[indiegrind]

I say no. Just get a competent coach. Trade for who? They really don't need an upgrade at any position. Just a coach.

[r0drig0lac]

no.

[cgf]

Obviously, they should trade Brown...to us...

CHI: Barrett + Toppin + 2-3 FRPs
WSH: Lavine + WSH FRP
BOS: Beal + 2 FRPs
NYK: Brown + Patrick Williams

Then use some picks to turn Smart / White / Brogdon into OG...and/or to upgrade on Timelord.

[Raps in 4]

They never should have gone with a rookie coach replacement for Udoka (I know Udoka was a rookie too, but he spent years under Pop). I'd go hard after Nurse in the off-season.

[Tacoma]

Brown is eligible for the Supermax from Boston this summer which he will most likely get. Tatum is also eligible for the Supermax which he will surely get. Teams cannot trade a Supermax player for the first year after he signs the contract.

Therefore, the most likely scenario is neither will be traded and Boston is better off retooling and finding more complementary players around them. Probably finding a good playmaking PG, a floor general, would be a good start.

[ShootersShoot]

I don't agree with them needing a pg..they have a strong rotation as is and perennial all star wings are that much harder to find. I do think they need to address their frontcourt though..horford turns 37 next month and RW seems to struggle getting through a full season.

[greg4012]

Should the Sixers trade Embiid or Maxey? Those two can't even get out of the 2nd round.

Exactly. Go down the list of teams who performed worse these playoffs and trade their star players.

With these 2 together they've been an almost automatic Conference Finals team since they've been drafted and they're still young and improving (maybe not in areas we'd prefer like Brown ball handling etc).

They need to get better around the fringes. Which starts off at the point guard position. They need a better facilitator who can play defense and hit the 3 (as do most teams) and I'm not sure that guy is out there right now. Guys like Jrue or Lowry/Conley (5 years ago) would be perfect but I'm not sure who the new generation "safe" point guards are. Tyus Jones is a guy I like, but does he move the needle?

The other thing is, Al is starting to look older. Celtics did a great job resting him through the season but as the playoffs wear on, you see the older guys start to slow. Hard to trust Rob in that role full time with his health concerns. Is Grant coming back? If he expects $20m like he said, he's not. There's moves to be made, I just don't know what they are.

Smart looks like he's the odd man out right now.

Rob does not have the skillset to take on the on-ball defensive role that Horford has manned. Rob is a vulnerability when switched on the perimeter with regularity and he doesn't have the man defense to bump with the bigs like Embiid. Rob is at his best when he can be hidden off-ball to serve primarily as the help defense and rim protection. He's elite when he can stick to that limited role. The trouble is that Horford has kind of been the skeleton key for the Celtics to unlock that luxury of keeping Rob off the ball.

Similarly, Horford kind of serves as the plumbing that serves a lot of Boston's offensive actions when they're clicking.

[greg4012]

Brown on a supermax is just going to be brutal. Siakam looking real good in comparison right now.

No he's not

[sp6r=underrated]

no.

No to Tatum but if someone made a great offer for Brown I'd consider. Brown is an excellent player but he's not quite as good as the typical #2 player on a title team.

But breaking up the Celtics is more likely to make the team worse than improve it. This series is turning into a trainwreck but remember it could have been easily 2-1 right now if Miami was shooting at a normal clip on contested shots. And last year Boston was tied 2-2 with Golden State in the NBA Finals. They had to fire their coach before the season due to off the court matters and still finished the year with the best MOV. There are a lot of reasons to think breaking up the team will result in decline rather than improvement.

[Edrees]

Yes. Trade Tatum to the Spurs for a draft pick or two and call it a day.

So tatum for the spurs 1st pick this year and next year? Seems like a good deal for the celtics

[LegendOfSalmons]

Brown on a supermax is just going to be brutal. Siakam looking real good in comparison right now.

No he's not

Casual take. Yes, all things considered Siakam's contract is a lot more desirable if Brown signs a supermax contract.

[djsunyc]

brown + rob + picks for embiid?

[Ben-N1ce]

Tatum will not be moved. Brown will get max then i dunno. See how it goes. He will have trade value regardless.

[Exp0sed]

Firstly… ha at calling the Spurs.

They wouldn’t give up #1 for both Tatum and Brown let alone one of them.

Secondly, you don’t break up a duo that is so rare to come by.

The team plays 3 guys that are literally no threat on offence.

Keep Tatum, Brown, White, Brogdon and clean house of the rest.

Horford should be retired. Williams is a joke. Smart can’t stop anyone when it matters (and no one can in this modern era).

You just can’t play one dimensional players any longer.

p.s - ur right about the Spurs, they wouldn't trade Wemby for both Tatum and Brown let alone of them
Build a proper team around these two stars and they’ll continue competing for as long as they play.

smart isn't a one dimensional players

Horford may be old and they do need longer term options but he def shouldnt retire, he was key to their success in turning the fake MVP into a scrub

Williams would probably move on regardless and sign elsewhere
in the Miami series it's WR that's been "one dimensional" and the guys you listed

keeping Brown is a horrible option
he's expiring pretty soon and it's either giving him the supermax (which is never gonna work out, that contract should be saved for actual superstars not for Beal\Wall caliber players) or face the very real possibility of him walking for nothing.

even if he plays nice and says differently, he can just decide he's not interested for whatever reason and leave them with a dude they can't get much back for because he'll be a rental with very high demands

if it weren't for that, they'd be fine in keeping both but the risk is just two great for Brown and it's the last offseason they some real value back for him

[Lalouie]

With them now being down 3-0 in the series, it's looking like their season is likely over. A huge part of why the Celtics have struggled against the Heat is because their two stars in Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown haven't played like true stars in this series. The question the Celtics Front would need to ask themselves is that do they really to commit to giving both Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum Supermaxes considering how badly they have performed in the series vs the Heat? Do they really see Brown/Tatum core really leading them to a Championship? Should they consider trading one of Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum and look to retool around the other?

then how about trading both and starting allthef***over again

so like, has impatience also become part of the legacy lebron has left behind or is impatience a reflection of the times.

if brown smart and tatum are the core of the best record in the nba, then the problem is having the tools to get them over the hump,,,,oh say like the bucks did by adding jrue. you are basically saying "should the bucks have traded giannis or khris" to get over the hump

[Duke4life831]

They overlap a lot, and when that's the case, you basically have to be overwhelmingly more talented than better and more cohesive team units, and they don't have that kind of talent gap. I think they both need to be paired with an actual playmaker lead guard or point forward.

Agree 100% with this. Even say BOS were to trade Brown and not get back a star that is 100% equal to his individual talent. But if the guy you get back is a guy that is a legit playmaker. That could be a huge boost for the team and for Tatum.

To put things into perspective. Tatum and Brown have played 483 minutes together in these playoffs so far. Tatum has only been assisted by Brown 8 times in the entire playoffs.

Tatum is getting zero boost playing alongside Brown. These numbers are small so there is plenty of noise, but so far in the playoffs BOS Offensive Rating with just Tatum and no Brown is 126. Their offensive rating with both on the court is 113.

Tatum would probably become a lot more consistent if he were playing alongside a #2 that was a threat to pass him the ball and create shots for him. The offense overall would be more consistent.

And yes its not much better the other way around as well. Its not like Tatum is making life easier for Brown either. This Boston team could really use one of their primary 2 options to be a threat to play make and both guys lives would be easier if when they were out on the court with the other primary guy, they could actually benefit from playing alongside them.

[clyde21]

Jay B yes

Jay B is more or less a shorter version of Jay T, similar archetype with similar strengths/weaknesses, way too much overlap between them imo if these two are your 1/2 options.

also, I'm not sold on Jay B as a max player even though he'll for sure get it. i think you can get a nice bounty for him and let someone else commit to that 200m contract.

what the Celts need is a legitimate PG, or at least a point forward type but those guys don't grow on trees.

[Grahf]

Yes, the general NBA public has known this for years. Coulda had Jimmy, coulda had AD, coulda had Kawhi, coulda had KD. Get any of those guys and they probably have a ring right now.

-Trading for Jimmy Butler in the middle of the Warriors' dominant run didn't make sense. The "playoff Jimmy" we know today isn't the same guy. The Jimmy of five years ago was considered by a lot of people to be a cancer/headcase, and absolutely no one thought he could be the best guy on the championship team. He may have developed into that, but who could've predicted it?

-AD made it very clear he had no interest in coming to Boston, especially without Kyrie. Trading Tatum and Brown for one year of AD would've been insane.

-Does trading Brown for one year of Kawhi and then watching him walk to the Clippers make sense? Toronto team was much more championship ready than the young Celtics were.

- Of the guys you mentioned, missing out on KD is the one that really hurts. It's easy to say with hindsight, but I do wish we had traded Jaylen for him over the summer. Still, KD went home before the Celtics this year, didn't he?