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[Rafael122]

So Suns going Doc or an assistant knowing the window that they have? Interesting...

[Backcountry]

Although I'm a little worried at Nurse still coaching in Atlantic division, LOL at the new Nurse/Embiid dynamic! I'd like to be a fly on the wall for those initial conversations....

Joel, you better come into the season in good shape. You're gonna be playing a lot of minutes!

[srhcan]

Although I'm a little worried at Nurse still coaching in Atlantic division, LOL at the new Nurse/Embiid dynamic! I'd like to be a fly on the wall for those initial conversations....

Joel, you better come into the season in good shape. You're gonna be playing a lot of minutes!

I wonder if 76ers consult Embiid before hiring Nurse. Nurse can be the worst possible coach for a lazy player like Embiid.

[cupcakesnake]

Although I'm a little worried at Nurse still coaching in Atlantic division, LOL at the new Nurse/Embiid dynamic! I'd like to be a fly on the wall for those initial conversations....

Joel, you better come into the season in good shape. You're gonna be playing a lot of minutes!

I wonder if 76ers consult Embiid before hiring Nurse. Nurse can be the worst possible coach for a lazy player like Embiid.

I think the Nurse minutes thing is an overblown simplistic narrative that I doubt we see repeat itself in a different situation. Maybe I'm wrong and we see Malachi Flynn and Dalano Banton give real rotation minutes next year and Phili shorten its rotation. But I'm of the opinion that the Raptors minutes problem was almost entirely due to roster construction. It's pretty rare to see a team with zero back up guards and so much positional overlap (Half the Raps roster was made of guys who needed minutes as a backup 5 to be effective). I think the Raps had enough players... but their best bench guys (Boucher, Thadd, Precious, Koloko) were all guys who needed to play back up 5, which was also a position that the Raps 2 most important players (Scottie and Pascal) needed to play. I bought into the Raptors roster experiments but once it failed it's pretty easy to pick it apart. I always see Raps fans complain about the minutes but I rarely see solution to that problem presented. What did you want?

I have no idea what Phili's roster is going to look like next season, mostly due to the big question of Harden, and what Morey might do to shuffle things after a disappointing game 7 loss. But it will be interesting to see Nurse on a pretty opposite roster that has tons of scoring pressure but none of the Toronto versatility.

[MagicLover]

I think Suns are going to hire Vogel

[Backcountry]

Although I'm a little worried at Nurse still coaching in Atlantic division, LOL at the new Nurse/Embiid dynamic! I'd like to be a fly on the wall for those initial conversations....

Joel, you better come into the season in good shape. You're gonna be playing a lot of minutes!

I wonder if 76ers consult Embiid before hiring Nurse. Nurse can be the worst possible coach for a lazy player like Embiid.

I think the Nurse minutes thing is an overblown simplistic narrative that I doubt we see repeat itself in a different situation. Maybe I'm wrong and we see Malachi Flynn and Dalano Banton give real rotation minutes next year and Phili shorten its rotation. But I'm of the opinion that the Raptors minutes problem was almost entirely due to roster construction. It's pretty rare to see a team with zero back up guards and so much positional overlap (Half the Raps roster was made of guys who needed minutes as a backup 5 to be effective). I think the Raps had enough players... but their best bench guys (Boucher, Thadd, Precious, Koloko) were all guys who needed to play back up 5, which was also a position that the Raps 2 most important players (Scottie and Pascal) needed to play. I bought into the Raptors roster experiments but once it failed it's pretty easy to pick it apart. I always see Raps fans complain about the minutes but I rarely see solution to that problem presented. What did you want?

I have no idea what Phili's roster is going to look like next season, mostly due to the big question of Harden, and what Morey might do to shuffle things after a disappointing game 7 loss. But it will be interesting to see Nurse on a pretty opposite roster that has tons of scoring pressure but none of the Toronto versatility.

That was kind of like what the Raps had in 2018-19: a "normal" roster with bigs, littles, and wings, plus a decent bench. He worked it okay then. But I know what you are saying. For the last couple of years, anytime he put the bench guys out for substantial minutes, the team lost the minutes they were playing, so out came the starters again. That led to most of the "Nick Thibodeau" comments. I think he was just following management's directive to win, and the only way that group usually had any chance to win was by playing the starters big minutes.

[-Luke-]

It has been pretty quiet around Bud. I could see him taking a season off.

[tamaraw08]

I think Suns are going to hire Vogel

it just makes sense to me that Frank will surely help fix their defense but Suns are probably consulting Durant for his vast knowledge in evaluating coaches. I heard their owner is close to Isiah Thomas too.

[tamaraw08]

Although I'm a little worried at Nurse still coaching in Atlantic division, LOL at the new Nurse/Embiid dynamic! I'd like to be a fly on the wall for those initial conversations....

Joel, you better come into the season in good shape. You're gonna be playing a lot of minutes!

I wonder if 76ers consult Embiid before hiring Nurse. Nurse can be the worst possible coach for a lazy player like Embiid.

Embiid had an assortment of injuries that he has dealt over the years.
They had Doc but it didn't work so they thought, Nurse might help Joel heal a little better.

[Johnny Bball]

Although I'm a little worried at Nurse still coaching in Atlantic division, LOL at the new Nurse/Embiid dynamic! I'd like to be a fly on the wall for those initial conversations....

Joel, you better come into the season in good shape. You're gonna be playing a lot of minutes!

Look at it this way. The Bucks hired Nurse's assistant before Nurse. Maybe a good portion of the real success laid elsewhere?

[___Rand___]

Although I'm a little worried at Nurse still coaching in Atlantic division, LOL at the new Nurse/Embiid dynamic! I'd like to be a fly on the wall for those initial conversations....

Joel, you better come into the season in good shape. You're gonna be playing a lot of minutes!

I wonder if 76ers consult Embiid before hiring Nurse. Nurse can be the worst possible coach for a lazy player like Embiid.

I think the Nurse minutes thing is an overblown simplistic narrative that I doubt we see repeat itself in a different situation. Maybe I'm wrong and we see Malachi Flynn and Dalano Banton give real rotation minutes next year and Phili shorten its rotation. But I'm of the opinion that the Raptors minutes problem was almost entirely due to roster construction. It's pretty rare to see a team with zero back up guards and so much positional overlap (Half the Raps roster was made of guys who needed minutes as a backup 5 to be effective). I think the Raps had enough players... but their best bench guys (Boucher, Thadd, Precious, Koloko) were all guys who needed to play back up 5, which was also a position that the Raps 2 most important players (Scottie and Pascal) needed to play. I bought into the Raptors roster experiments but once it failed it's pretty easy to pick it apart. I always see Raps fans complain about the minutes but I rarely see solution to that problem presented. What did you want?

I have no idea what Phili's roster is going to look like next season, mostly due to the big question of Harden, and what Morey might do to shuffle things after a disappointing game 7 loss. But it will be interesting to see Nurse on a pretty opposite roster that has tons of scoring pressure but none of the Toronto versatility.

While we Raptors fans have been saying the thing bout the roster construction for sometime, the Nurse minutes situation is NOT a recent thing. Since the 2nd year of his coaching, he has tended to stick to an 8 man rotation for every game during the regular season. He tends to play his vets and trusted players the most, in order to extract wins. That's why Raptors in the past had always exceeded pre-season expectations for wins.

The exception was his first year - because 1) the roster was deep, and 2) various players (not just Kawhi) would be held out for load management or injuries quite a lot that year (i.e. Lowry and Kawhi were held out of road games in LA and New Orleans), and he would often say "hey, in G-league players get called last minute so I'm used to doing with the roster given on any day". In his rookie year, FO had a bit more say on his rotations. Once he won the chip, things and power shifted a bit.

[___Rand___]

I wonder if 76ers consult Embiid before hiring Nurse. Nurse can be the worst possible coach for a lazy player like Embiid.

I think the Nurse minutes thing is an overblown simplistic narrative that I doubt we see repeat itself in a different situation. Maybe I'm wrong and we see Malachi Flynn and Dalano Banton give real rotation minutes next year and Phili shorten its rotation. But I'm of the opinion that the Raptors minutes problem was almost entirely due to roster construction. It's pretty rare to see a team with zero back up guards and so much positional overlap (Half the Raps roster was made of guys who needed minutes as a backup 5 to be effective). I think the Raps had enough players... but their best bench guys (Boucher, Thadd, Precious, Koloko) were all guys who needed to play back up 5, which was also a position that the Raps 2 most important players (Scottie and Pascal) needed to play. I bought into the Raptors roster experiments but once it failed it's pretty easy to pick it apart. I always see Raps fans complain about the minutes but I rarely see solution to that problem presented. What did you want?

I have no idea what Phili's roster is going to look like next season, mostly due to the big question of Harden, and what Morey might do to shuffle things after a disappointing game 7 loss. But it will be interesting to see Nurse on a pretty opposite roster that has tons of scoring pressure but none of the Toronto versatility.

That was kind of like what the Raps had in 2018-19: a "normal" roster with bigs, littles, and wings, plus a decent bench. He worked it okay then. But I know what you are saying. For the last couple of years, anytime he put the bench guys out for substantial minutes, the team lost the minutes they were playing, so out came the starters again. That led to most of the "Nick Thibodeau" comments. I think he was just following management's directive to win, and the only way that group usually had any chance to win was by playing the starters big minutes.

Management wanted to win, but they also wanted to develop players. This is and was integral to Masai's philosophy. Did you not watch the videos and interviews from his first year? He said player development is the one of most important part of his strategy for Raptors. He didn't see free agency as the path to a championship. That's why he demanded that we bring in a G-league team, a new training facility, and a large player development team upon taking this job. The big reason Nurse was let go, was his **** job at developing the players. By not encouraging young ones, by not giving them real game time minutes for teachable moments, for not properly motivating them. The minutes thing and player development are correlated.

[AussieCeltic]

Bill Simmons has been saying Kevin Young is going to be the Suns coach for weeks. When he has inside knowledge of these things, he's generally right.

He was calling Bronny to USC for months
He was calling Rogers to Jets about a year ago

When he has the right intel, he's not afraid to let it loose.

[cupcakesnake]

I wonder if 76ers consult Embiid before hiring Nurse. Nurse can be the worst possible coach for a lazy player like Embiid.

I think the Nurse minutes thing is an overblown simplistic narrative that I doubt we see repeat itself in a different situation. Maybe I'm wrong and we see Malachi Flynn and Dalano Banton give real rotation minutes next year and Phili shorten its rotation. But I'm of the opinion that the Raptors minutes problem was almost entirely due to roster construction. It's pretty rare to see a team with zero back up guards and so much positional overlap (Half the Raps roster was made of guys who needed minutes as a backup 5 to be effective). I think the Raps had enough players... but their best bench guys (Boucher, Thadd, Precious, Koloko) were all guys who needed to play back up 5, which was also a position that the Raps 2 most important players (Scottie and Pascal) needed to play. I bought into the Raptors roster experiments but once it failed it's pretty easy to pick it apart. I always see Raps fans complain about the minutes but I rarely see solution to that problem presented. What did you want?

I have no idea what Phili's roster is going to look like next season, mostly due to the big question of Harden, and what Morey might do to shuffle things after a disappointing game 7 loss. But it will be interesting to see Nurse on a pretty opposite roster that has tons of scoring pressure but none of the Toronto versatility.

While we Raptors fans have been saying the thing bout the roster construction for sometime, the Nurse minutes situation is NOT a recent thing. Since the 2nd year of his coaching, he has tended to stick to an 8 man rotation for every game during the regular season. He tends to play his vets and trusted players the most, in order to extract wins. That's why Raptors in the past had always exceeded pre-season expectations for wins.

The exception was his first year - because 1) the roster was deep, and 2) various players (not just Kawhi) would be held out for load management or injuries quite a lot that year (i.e. Lowry and Kawhi were held out of road games in LA and New Orleans), and he would often say "hey, in G-league players get called last minute so I'm used to doing with the roster given on any day". In his rookie year, FO had a bit more say on his rotations. Once he won the chip, things and power shifted a bit.

I'm well aware of what Raps fans have been saying but I don't agree with the take at all.

Some of this narrative is factually not true. In 2020 the Raps wen't 9-10 deep when healthy. Terrence Davis averaged 17mpg over 72 games and was the 10th biggest minute getter. 9 guys cleared 1000 minutes and then you had Patrick McCaw who (when healthy( played so much that Raps fans complained about it. Boucher and Matt Thomas were also part time rotation players. Look at the minutes and there's no way you can say this trend goes back to 2022.

In 2021 no one was talking about minutes. Half the roster was injured for at least half the season. The Raps legit had 20 different players who played rotation minutes for some stretch of time. Pure chaos due to injury, relocation, and pandemic stuff.

So now you have a 2 year trend of Nurse playing an egregiously short rotation. During that time it's very debatable that the Raps could have lengthened the rotation without taking a big L. Again I think this is a trend that has been way overblown and more of a narrative than an established coaching strategy.

[___Rand___]

I think the Nurse minutes thing is an overblown simplistic narrative that I doubt we see repeat itself in a different situation. Maybe I'm wrong and we see Malachi Flynn and Dalano Banton give real rotation minutes next year and Phili shorten its rotation. But I'm of the opinion that the Raptors minutes problem was almost entirely due to roster construction. It's pretty rare to see a team with zero back up guards and so much positional overlap (Half the Raps roster was made of guys who needed minutes as a backup 5 to be effective). I think the Raps had enough players... but their best bench guys (Boucher, Thadd, Precious, Koloko) were all guys who needed to play back up 5, which was also a position that the Raps 2 most important players (Scottie and Pascal) needed to play. I bought into the Raptors roster experiments but once it failed it's pretty easy to pick it apart. I always see Raps fans complain about the minutes but I rarely see solution to that problem presented. What did you want?

I have no idea what Phili's roster is going to look like next season, mostly due to the big question of Harden, and what Morey might do to shuffle things after a disappointing game 7 loss. But it will be interesting to see Nurse on a pretty opposite roster that has tons of scoring pressure but none of the Toronto versatility.

While we Raptors fans have been saying the thing bout the roster construction for sometime, the Nurse minutes situation is NOT a recent thing. Since the 2nd year of his coaching, he has tended to stick to an 8 man rotation for every game during the regular season. He tends to play his vets and trusted players the most, in order to extract wins. That's why Raptors in the past had always exceeded pre-season expectations for wins.

The exception was his first year - because 1) the roster was deep, and 2) various players (not just Kawhi) would be held out for load management or injuries quite a lot that year (i.e. Lowry and Kawhi were held out of road games in LA and New Orleans), and he would often say "hey, in G-league players get called last minute so I'm used to doing with the roster given on any day". In his rookie year, FO had a bit more say on his rotations. Once he won the chip, things and power shifted a bit.

I'm well aware of what Raps fans have been saying but I don't agree with the take at all.

Some of this narrative is factually not true. In 2020 the Raps wen't 9-10 deep when healthy. Terrence Davis averaged 17mpg over 72 games and was the 10th biggest minute getter. 9 guys cleared 1000 minutes and then you had Patrick McCaw who (when healthy( played so much that Raps fans complained about it. Boucher and Matt Thomas were also part time rotation players. Look at the minutes and there's no way you can say this trend goes back to 2022.

In 2021 no one was talking about minutes. Half the roster was injured for at least half the season. The Raps legit had 20 different players who played rotation minutes for some stretch of time. Pure chaos due to injury, relocation, and pandemic stuff.

So now you have a 2 year trend of Nurse playing an egregiously short rotation. During that time it's very debatable that the Raps could have lengthened the rotation without taking a big L. Again I think this is a trend that has been way overblown and more of a narrative than an established coaching strategy.

You didn't watch every single game like I did. Regardless of injuries or not, Nurse likes an 8 man rotation for every game. Early season he will mix up the rotations a bit. By end of December he's got an established rotation he goes to, adjustments to the bench rotation being made for injuries or opponent. This pattern will hold in Philly too. He isn't going to trust Milton, Melton, Korkmaz, House. One mistake on defensive assignment, you're gone. Can't make your shots, and your defense is just ok, gone, pulled out and out comes the starters. He's going to be under pressure to deliver a championship, and he will want to have the best seed. So that means every game is like a playoff game to him. So tight rotations, long starter minutes. Remember my word, and talk to me by mid January.

[cupcakesnake]

While we Raptors fans have been saying the thing bout the roster construction for sometime, the Nurse minutes situation is NOT a recent thing. Since the 2nd year of his coaching, he has tended to stick to an 8 man rotation for every game during the regular season. He tends to play his vets and trusted players the most, in order to extract wins. That's why Raptors in the past had always exceeded pre-season expectations for wins.

The exception was his first year - because 1) the roster was deep, and 2) various players (not just Kawhi) would be held out for load management or injuries quite a lot that year (i.e. Lowry and Kawhi were held out of road games in LA and New Orleans), and he would often say "hey, in G-league players get called last minute so I'm used to doing with the roster given on any day". In his rookie year, FO had a bit more say on his rotations. Once he won the chip, things and power shifted a bit.

I'm well aware of what Raps fans have been saying but I don't agree with the take at all.

Some of this narrative is factually not true. In 2020 the Raps wen't 9-10 deep when healthy. Terrence Davis averaged 17mpg over 72 games and was the 10th biggest minute-getter. 9 guys cleared 1000 minutes and then you had Patrick McCaw who (when healthy( played so much that Raps fans complained about it. Boucher and Matt Thomas were also part time rotation players. Look at the minutes and there's no way you can say this trend goes back to 2022.

In 2021 no one was talking about minutes. Half the roster was injured for at least half the season. The Raps legit had 20 different players who played rotation minutes for some stretch of time. Pure chaos due to injury, relocation, and pandemic stuff.

So now you have a 2 year trend of Nurse playing an egregiously short rotation. During that time it's very debatable that the Raps could have lengthened the rotation without taking a big L. Again I think this is a trend that has been way overblown and more of a narrative than an established coaching strategy.

You didn't watch every single game like I did. Regardless of injuries or not, Nurse likes an 8 man rotation for every game. Early season he will mix up the rotations a bit. By end of December he's got an established rotation he goes to, adjustments to the bench rotation being made for injuries or opponent. This pattern will hold in Philly too. He isn't going to trust Milton, Melton, Korkmaz, House. One mistake on defensive assignment, you're gone. Can't make your shots, and your defense is just ok, gone, pulled out and out comes the starters. He's going to be under pressure to deliver a championship, and he will want to have the best seed. So that means every game is like a playoff game to him. So tight rotations, long starter minutes. Remember my word, and talk to me by mid January.

I live in Toronto and watch the Raps as much as almost anybody.
You can beat this drum all you want but you can't tell me this trend goes back to 2020. This isn't something we have to debate our feelings about. Every boxscore is recorded and you can see exactly how many minutes every Raptor played in every game. The Raps ran a 9-man rotation in 2020 when they were healthy. It would shorten to 8 sometimes due to injuries but that's super normal in the NBA. You can even look at significant difference in mpg in 2020 and 2022. Only 3 players playing over 30mpg (and only Lowry hit 36) vs. 2022 when all 5 starters are playing over 35mpg. In 2021 the Raps were an absolute mess but still mostly played a ragtag 9-man rotation whenever they had 9 healthy bodies.

An 8 man rotation on it's own isn't an inherent problem. Lots of teams run 8 man rotations. The Raps problem the last 2 years was shortening it to 7, not finding a 3rd rotation guard, and not having a shooter off the bench to make lineups playable. I think Otto Porter would have made things a bit more normal this year, because you could have played him with different big combos and not be suepr cramped for spacing. The Raps wanted more ballhandling reps for Scottie and Pascal, which they could have gotten away with but only if they had shooting in the frontcourt. Otto got injured, Precious and Boucher regressed as shooters (and basically everyone besides OG had a bad year shooting the ball).

This Nurse minutes didn't start until 2022. It's just facts. Him continuing to overplay guys in Phili wont change what happened in 2020 but it would likely cement his reputation as the new Thibs, especially if Phili carries over a similar roster. I'd be super surprised if we see this trend in Phili simply because it's an older, more injury-prone group.

I maintain that the Raps 7-man rotation was not a preference of the coach. I'm still unclear who Raps fans wanted to be added to the rotation.

[Exp0sed]

Although I'm a little worried at Nurse still coaching in Atlantic division, LOL at the new Nurse/Embiid dynamic! I'd like to be a fly on the wall for those initial conversations....

Joel, you better come into the season in good shape. You're gonna be playing a lot of minutes!

I wonder if 76ers consult Embiid before hiring Nurse. Nurse can be the worst possible coach for a lazy player like Embiid.

Embiid couldn't care less...
he was interested in the fake MVP and he got it

you saw him competelty detached not even asking for the ball when the team was melting down, he's not the type of guy who starts conflicts with coaches,he doesn't care enough to do that

and fwiw Doc is so damn bad, i'm sure he'l find Nurse to be a relief right of the bat
Doc is just clueless, period

[___Rand___]

Monty's being offered $10m a year to coach Pistons. Damn. I don't think Nurse got that money LOL.

[heatwillbeback]

I still have no idea why Monty Williams was fired from Suns. Especially when the list now is Doc Rivers, Frank Vogel and Kevin Young.

[tamaraw08]

I still have no idea why Monty Williams was fired from Suns. Especially when the list now is Doc Rivers, Frank Vogel and Kevin Young.

woah, you make it sound like Monty is such a legendary coach who have accomplished so much more than Doc and Vogel.
Not saying he is incompetent because he is not, but just like Doc and Vogel, they were good in some of the teams they coached.
Doc was really good in Orlando, good in Boston, Clips, Sixers in the regular season in the RS but is bad with adjustments with these teams.
Vogel was realy good in Indiana and the Lakers, bad in Orlando.
Monty, was not that impressive in New Orleans, really good in Phoenix.. in the regular season, ran into injured Lakers, Nuggets and fizzled vs the Bucks.
His team crumbled vs Dallas and recently Denver and yes it's not all his fault but again, why do you think he is so much better than Vogel?