Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed

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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#81 » by Harry Palmer » Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:29 pm

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I mean I wouldn't want them out here looking like Lizzo but generally no, they should just hire the best talent.

but they don't, and clearly weight looks disproportionately so not sure why you're calling people out here when talking about their looks when that's clearly part of their equation.


Because if you think it’s wrong, you should not participate in the kind of behaviour that sustains that wrong happening? Not saying you are obligated to be part of the solution, but at least don’t be part of the problem. Sound reasonable?


i dont think it's wrong or right, it just what it is...ESPN realizes majority of their audience are men and men like looking at pretty women...so I get it, even though ideally speaking you'd want the best talent on how these females look is part of the equation until its not.


Oh, sorry, we are seeing different problems. Your issue (I think) is that you think we get lesser announcers because dicks dig chicks, and my issue is that so long as we keep talking about/assessing the female journalists/hosts/etc. as objects for our visual amusement, so long we perpetuate their iniquitous treatment as objectified targets of lust. I think you think the problem is that males have to be good at their job, and females only have to be attractive. Has it occurred to you rather that females have to be both, males just the one? And that that’s morally, ethically and ~ legally wrong.
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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#82 » by NoStatsGuy » Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:31 pm

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I wonder if watchers of these shows are a protected class. Like can we ask in a job interview if someone watches and if they say yes can we use that for grounds to not hire? I mean...it seems reasonable but smoking in some states is protected. I'd assume this falls under a mental illness, which maybe we can't base hiring and firing on?


you are reaching or trolling. i cant really tell

nothing is wrong with watching any of these shows. its entertainment. some peopel watch other trash tv as in reality tv or what not.. or the same tv show over and over.

you have an issue, if you cant differentiate between entertainment and proper basketball analysis. not the people that watch and like first take or undisputed.


I'm more concerned people find this entertaining. Yes, I do think this is a valid question and would be a strong indicator of someone that will likely under preform in any role that requires critical thinking skills. If you watch these shows, I don't care what you think. I don't care what you say. And I do not respect you.


okay :D

i guess participating in a forum for you only means giving laughable opinions. well, cant expect any substance or reason with a person that makes such ridiculous statements lol
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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#83 » by Edrees » Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:49 pm

I would lie to see Sherman and Rachel debating and Skip as moderator. Now that would be entertainment
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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#84 » by daboywonder2007 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:55 pm

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NoStatsGuy wrote:i mean think of skip what you will. he made a huge career out of his strong controversial opinions and i am pretty sure hes the pioneer of the "hot take" on national tv. and with sherman on the lineup hes bringin in a foe, if i remember correctly.

i like that rachel is comming back too. im not 100% informed about the whole ESPN drama but my impression was, she was treated unfairly. Though i think she would work best with cowherd on fox.

either way, i think skips time is up. first take and undisputed were legendary shows, that have been absolutely must see tv imo. for pure entertainment reason obviously, not for proper basketball analysis. but i dont think he can ever capture the same chemistry, as he did with SAS and shannon for these shows.

Shannon Sharpe is great TV aswell, hope we see him back soon. i miss his grandma stories and him zippin on the hennessy early in the morning after a lebron/mahomes W.

Skip brought back Stephen A's career and he made Shannon's career. I have confidence that he can make Sherman's career as well. He's already done it twice.

That's why both of those guys will forever be indebted to Skip


That's the part people don't realizde. Shannon was not this popular on Inside the NFL or CBS. Joining Undisputed was the perfect career move. And I think what helped is Shannon talked about all sports. He wasn't just the football guy. Then the podcast really got him popular because now you're interviewing actors, rappers, and athletes.
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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#85 » by daboywonder2007 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:57 pm

l like Rachel but I don't want her debating Skip. I'm not sure that's her lane. But Skip must see something in Rachel so Im willing to give it a shot. I hope Sherm talks about all sports, not just football. I don't like the whole musical chairs thing.
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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#86 » by clyde21 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:10 pm

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Because if you think it’s wrong, you should not participate in the kind of behaviour that sustains that wrong happening? Not saying you are obligated to be part of the solution, but at least don’t be part of the problem. Sound reasonable?


i dont think it's wrong or right, it just what it is...ESPN realizes majority of their audience are men and men like looking at pretty women...so I get it, even though ideally speaking you'd want the best talent on how these females look is part of the equation until its not.


Oh, sorry, we are seeing different problems. Your issue (I think) is that you think we get lesser announcers because dicks dig chicks, and my issue is that so long as we keep talking about/assessing the female journalists/hosts/etc. as objects for our visual amusement, so long we perpetuate their iniquitous treatment as objectified targets of lust. I think you think the problem is that males have to be good at their job, and females only have to be attractive. Has it occurred to you rather that females have to be both, males just the one? And that that’s morally, ethically and ~ legally wrong.


lol - you think I think ESPN hires males that have to be good at their job? we're talking about the same network that hired Kendric Perkins right? no, I don't think that at all. i have no clue what ESPN's broader hiring strategy is but it's pretty obvious it's not hiring talented people, men or women. but with women it's pretty obvious they go for the good looking ones at least.
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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#87 » by Harry Palmer » Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:33 pm

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i dont think it's wrong or right, it just what it is...ESPN realizes majority of their audience are men and men like looking at pretty women...so I get it, even though ideally speaking you'd want the best talent on how these females look is part of the equation until its not.


Oh, sorry, we are seeing different problems. Your issue (I think) is that you think we get lesser announcers because dicks dig chicks, and my issue is that so long as we keep talking about/assessing the female journalists/hosts/etc. as objects for our visual amusement, so long we perpetuate their iniquitous treatment as objectified targets of lust. I think you think the problem is that males have to be good at their job, and females only have to be attractive. Has it occurred to you rather that females have to be both, males just the one? And that that’s morally, ethically and ~ legally wrong.


lol - you think I think ESPN hires males that have to be good at their job? we're talking about the same network that hired Kendric Perkins right? no, I don't think that at all. i have no clue what ESPN's broader hiring strategy is but it's pretty obvious it's not hiring talented people, men or women. but with women it's pretty obvious they go for the good looking ones at least.


Okay, I understand your position more, but let me ask you why you think they do that…that thing you consider wrong…and what kind of reaction from male fans do you think will confirm/perpetuate it’s continued practice?
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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#88 » by clyde21 » Thu Aug 10, 2023 11:36 pm

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Oh, sorry, we are seeing different problems. Your issue (I think) is that you think we get lesser announcers because dicks dig chicks, and my issue is that so long as we keep talking about/assessing the female journalists/hosts/etc. as objects for our visual amusement, so long we perpetuate their iniquitous treatment as objectified targets of lust. I think you think the problem is that males have to be good at their job, and females only have to be attractive. Has it occurred to you rather that females have to be both, males just the one? And that that’s morally, ethically and ~ legally wrong.


lol - you think I think ESPN hires males that have to be good at their job? we're talking about the same network that hired Kendric Perkins right? no, I don't think that at all. i have no clue what ESPN's broader hiring strategy is but it's pretty obvious it's not hiring talented people, men or women. but with women it's pretty obvious they go for the good looking ones at least.


Okay, I understand your position more, but let me ask you why you think they do that…that thing you consider wrong…and what kind of reaction from male fans do you think will confirm/perpetuate it’s continued practice?


so instead of taking this up with ESPN - you want every male on the planet to stop looking at pretty women and talking about pretty women? okay my man good luck.
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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#89 » by dhsilv2 » Fri Aug 11, 2023 5:13 pm

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you are reaching or trolling. i cant really tell

nothing is wrong with watching any of these shows. its entertainment. some peopel watch other trash tv as in reality tv or what not.. or the same tv show over and over.

you have an issue, if you cant differentiate between entertainment and proper basketball analysis. not the people that watch and like first take or undisputed.


I'm more concerned people find this entertaining. Yes, I do think this is a valid question and would be a strong indicator of someone that will likely under preform in any role that requires critical thinking skills. If you watch these shows, I don't care what you think. I don't care what you say. And I do not respect you.


okay :D

i guess participating in a forum for you only means giving laughable opinions. well, cant expect any substance or reason with a person that makes such ridiculous statements lol


I expect good well thought out basketball talk here compared to ESPN. And in general, we have a far better forum. Sadly, we do still have trash ESPN takes that come through. It's sad, but it's an unfortunate part of the internet.
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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#90 » by Lalouie » Fri Aug 11, 2023 7:44 pm

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Because if you think it’s wrong, you should not participate in the kind of behaviour that sustains that wrong happening? Not saying you are obligated to be part of the solution, but at least don’t be part of the problem. Sound reasonable?


i dont think it's wrong or right, it just what it is...ESPN realizes majority of their audience are men and men like looking at pretty women...so I get it, even though ideally speaking you'd want the best talent on how these females look is part of the equation until its not.


Oh, sorry, we are seeing different problems. Your issue (I think) is that you think we get lesser announcers because dicks dig chicks, and my issue is that so long as we keep talking about/assessing the female journalists/hosts/etc. as objects for our visual amusement, so long we perpetuate their iniquitous treatment as objectified targets of lust. I think you think the problem is that males have to be good at their job, and females only have to be attractive. Has it occurred to you rather that females have to be both, males just the one? And that that’s morally, ethically and ~ legally wrong.


tv is a visual media. every tv anchor/host et al in such a capacity has to look good,,,female AND male

if you don't believe me look at zach lowe's transition from basically a shlubb with a pastey slicked hair combed nerdilly to one side to a better looking zach now

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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#91 » by JustBuzzin » Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:16 pm

xinxin wrote:i heard Keyshaun is also joining the rotation.

Nah I heard it was Keyshawn Johnson that was joining the rotation.
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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#92 » by Harry Palmer » Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:32 pm

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tv is a visual media. every tv anchor/host et al in such a capacity has to look good,,,female AND male

if you don't believe me look at zach lowe's transition from basically a shlubb with a pastey slicked hair combed nerdilly to one side to a better looking zach now

i don't want to watch a gnome anchoring a tv desk


I would say it’s not within a hundred miles of being universally applied. There are tons of older, overweight, balding, or just plain looking guys doing tv sports. I’m not saying some of them aren’t obviously trying to look as presentable as possible with what they’ve got (others don’t seem to GAF, especially ex-coaches and ~ players). But like Nick Wright? Stephen A. Smith? Pierre LaBrun? Bob McKenzie? Woj? Dennis Scott? Rex Ryan? Etc. Again, not saying these guys are trolls as you describe, but they are not on tv as eye candy either, I can’t think of many female equivalents.

Anyways, a lot of people are trying to be all ‘real talk/just the way it is’ about this, but that kinda reasoning has enabled all kinds of horrible crap over time. W/o getting into excuses for slavery or police violence or w/e, just sticking with this theme, there was quite a long period where women at work were expected to put up with constant sexual harassment, butt pinching, being expected to get the coffee, all that crap and the same kind of ‘hey, boys will be boys, if women want to be in the game this is how it’s played in the real world’ rationale. Female sports reporters specifically were subjected to all kinds of this stuff, some of it just because ‘boys will be boys’, some of it because male athletes and coaches were hostile to the idea of female sports reporters so would do stuff like make sure to be totally naked when interviewed by a female reporter, or worse. I read a book by a female baseball reporter from back when that was a very new thing and she would CONSTANTLY get this kind of crap…’hey George bet me a hundred bucks I couldn’t make you scream by eating your ___’, let’s split it, but they gotta watch so they know I won’ or like not just being naked but getting up on a chair so she’s face to face with his junk, ‘let’s talk about why you really want to be in the guy’s locker room’, etc.

Though it’s absolutely gotten a lot better over time, there is still a lot of the male sports world that thinks of itself as a male preserve, who are anywhere from irritated to seriously pissed off about having women intrude on that. Some express that through anger, short non-answers to questions, etc. but more commonly to hyper-sexualize them and the situation either to kinda reclaim the male preserve by putting the women intruding into it in a role that fits with the frat boy sensibility, or to try and emphasize how much they don’t belong, or just to make them as uncomfortable as possible. And how was all of this stuff allowed for so long? ‘Hey, let’s cut the bull for a second and tell it like it is; men are men, this is just how it goes, if they can’t hack it maybe this isn’t the job for them’. Let’s get as far away from that as we can. And more to the point, I said it has gotten a lot better, but it wouldn’t have if everyone maintained the old ‘good luck getting groups of men to not treat women like women’ excuses.
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Post#93 » by Sign5 » Fri Aug 11, 2023 8:57 pm

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No one gives af about the opinions of Lil wayne. Now Ja rule? I'd pay top dollar to get his sports analysis and lessons on life in general!
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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#95 » by KodiakBear » Thu Aug 31, 2023 6:34 pm

Karate Diop wrote:Damn it. Skip gonna have to carry again. Say what you want but mans is the Bron of his lane.

Lol he is a troll that spews ridiculous nonsense for ratings. I'll never watch him again and haven't for years
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Post#96 » by Wile E. Coyote » Thu Aug 31, 2023 7:22 pm

Undisputed as always been better than First Take. Skip just dunked on ESPN.
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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#97 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Oct 27, 2023 4:38 pm

clyde21 wrote:along with Richard Sherman and...Lil Wayne?

very confused. :lol:

Read on Twitter



This, honest to God, doesn't even seem real. It feels like a bad SNL skit or a wonderful South Park parody.

I'm...so perplexed.

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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#98 » by Sgt Major » Fri Oct 27, 2023 4:40 pm

Lol this guy on the far left is a complete idiot. :lol:
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Post#99 » by clyde21 » Fri Oct 27, 2023 4:42 pm

what a disaster
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Re: Rachel Nichols joining Skip Bayless on Undisputed 

Post#100 » by G35 » Fri Oct 27, 2023 5:44 pm

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Because if you think it’s wrong, you should not participate in the kind of behaviour that sustains that wrong happening? Not saying you are obligated to be part of the solution, but at least don’t be part of the problem. Sound reasonable?


i dont think it's wrong or right, it just what it is...ESPN realizes majority of their audience are men and men like looking at pretty women...so I get it, even though ideally speaking you'd want the best talent on how these females look is part of the equation until its not.


Oh, sorry, we are seeing different problems. Your issue (I think) is that you think we get lesser announcers because dicks dig chicks, and my issue is that so long as we keep talking about/assessing the female journalists/hosts/etc. as objects for our visual amusement, so long we perpetuate their iniquitous treatment as objectified targets of lust. I think you think the problem is that males have to be good at their job, and females only have to be attractive. Has it occurred to you rather that females have to be both, males just the one? And that that’s morally, ethically and ~ legally wrong.


Sports shows tend to hire ex-athletes as color commentators and analysis. For a man to become a professional NBA player you have to be in the top .01% or better. That is not just being good at your job, that is exceptional, even for someone like Kendrick Perkins (whose takes I rarely agree with). Compared to a woman being "attractive" which can be subjective and you do not have to be in the top 1% of all attractive women. It is a much higher bar for a man to get hired by ESPN for the analysis.

How long did Stephen A. have to be a beat writer before he got hired? Stephen A. was a general sports writer for the Philadelphia Inquirer for 13 years. Then he did radio for in New York city three years before moving on to Fox Sports radio for four years before he went so Sirius XM Radio. Stephen A. has also had a failed television shows: "Quite Frankly with Stephen A." and then he was a guest analyst on sports shows like Jim Rome is burning, 1st and 10, and Pardon the Interruption. Then he joined ESPN and Skip Bayless for First Take in 2012.

The thing about male sports analysts is that they either have to have played professionally or you have to put in a lot of time as a beat writer, radio guy, and guest analyst for a long time. Basically starting from the bottom.

Beauty cuts out all the starting from the bottom and gets propelled right to the front...and that is not morally or ethically right. But it is legal.....
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