Who Would You Rather Have: Jalen Duren Or Alperen Sengun?

[freestyler34]

Just watched Duren's highlights dude literally scored 23 points only with dunks

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[Ayt]

Duren for me.

When is Sengun going to properly break out though?

Seems to have all the tools and a green light to post empty stats for a garbage team

Well, it is only his third year and his previous coach was an idiot so he's finally in a position to actually blossom a bit.

[WillyJakkz]

Just watched Duren's highlights dude literally scored 23 points only with dunks

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Then turned around and had 8pts 7rebs vs Chet

As for people getting on Sengun's defense Duren is just as slow footed or doesn't even show when guarding the perimeter when someone faces him up routinely giving up drives or open shots.

Can he learn, sure.

[Statlanta]

Sengun just for his playmaking

[freestyler34]

Just watched Duren's highlights dude literally scored 23 points only with dunks

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Then turned around and had 8pts 7rebs vs Chet

As for people getting on Sengun's defense Duren is just as slow footed or doesn't even show when guarding the perimeter when someone faces him up routinely giving up drives or open shots.

Can he learn, sure.

Actually i wasnt praising Duren with that post, looks like he has zero offensive game other than dunks.

[WillyJakkz]

Just watched Duren's highlights dude literally scored 23 points only with dunks

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Then turned around and had 8pts 7rebs vs Chet

As for people getting on Sengun's defense Duren is just as slow footed or doesn't even show when guarding the perimeter when someone faces him up routinely giving up drives or open shots.

Can he learn, sure.

Actually i wasnt praising Duren with that post, looks like he has zero offensive game other than dunks.

My bad dude. I wasn't sure if you were clowning him or making him seem unstoppable.

[MavsDirk41]

Duren for me. But i like the rebounding/shotblocking centers patrolling the paint.

[ChiTownHero1992]

I like them both but I'd definitely rather have Duren...especially if I already had Cade!

[Adam Stern]

Duren for me.

When is Sengun going to properly break out though?

Seems to have all the tools and a green light to post empty stats for a garbage team

Well, it is only his third year and his previous coach was an idiot so he's finally in a position to actually blossom a bit.

I'd argue that previous coach has more pro basketball insight than this entire board collectively. He was just given a mandate to lose games.
He was forced to play Kevin Porter Jr at point, which anybody with eyes saw was a failed experiment. And last season he fielded a rotation exclusively of rookies and sophomores.
They guy was basically coaching an NCAA squad against NBA teams.

It's early but Sengun has yet to show anything under Udoka that he didn't show with Silas. In fact he's proven most of Silas' assessment pretty accurate so far.

Sengun still has the potential to breakout but blaming his lack of doing so on the coaches is odd when he's top 3 in minutes and touches since he's been there.

[Sign5]

Duren is doing this at 19, too hard to pass up that potential sorry.

[jasonxxx102]

Not really surprised at the outcome of this poll, people overrating Duren based on recent hype.

Duren is a good player, he plays hard, great rebounder, good defensively in the post but he has massive flaws in his game that probably won't ever be fixed.

Andre Drummond was all the same things and got played out of the league because he can't score outside of 3ft and he can't guard the perimeter.

I'll take Sengun because you can hide a poor rim defender, he can shoot, he can pass, he can run your offense. Much easier to put complimentary players around a guy who's just not a great defender.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Not really surprised at the outcome of this poll, people overrating Duren based on recent hype.

Duren is a good player, he plays hard, great rebounder, good defensively in the post but he has massive flaws in his game that probably won't ever be fixed.

Andre Drummond was all the same things and got played out of the league because he can't score outside of 3ft and he can't guard the perimeter.

I'll take Sengun because you can hide a poor rim defender, he can shoot, he can pass, he can run your offense. Much easier to put complimentary players around a guy who's just not a great defender.

He can't shoot though.

[jasonxxx102]

Not really surprised at the outcome of this poll, people overrating Duren based on recent hype.

Duren is a good player, he plays hard, great rebounder, good defensively in the post but he has massive flaws in his game that probably won't ever be fixed.

Andre Drummond was all the same things and got played out of the league because he can't score outside of 3ft and he can't guard the perimeter.

I'll take Sengun because you can hide a poor rim defender, he can shoot, he can pass, he can run your offense. Much easier to put complimentary players around a guy who's just not a great defender.

He can't shoot though.

33% 3pt on 2+/gm is good enough for a big man. He can shoot just fine. The huge drop in FT% this year is weird so we'll have to see if that evens out but 33% from 3 and 75% from the line is perfectly fine.

Duren literally cannot shoot the ball outside of 3ft. I haven't watched every minute of his play but I can't recall him ever even taking a jumper. Whether people want to admit it or not, that's an insurmountable flaw for a modern big man unless you're Mobley level on defense. (which Duren is not)

Duren is a 2 dimensional player (Rebounding / Post defense) just not that valuable in today's NBA. We're gonna see the same thing with Walker Kessler as last years hype wears off.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Not really surprised at the outcome of this poll, people overrating Duren based on recent hype.

Duren is a good player, he plays hard, great rebounder, good defensively in the post but he has massive flaws in his game that probably won't ever be fixed.

Andre Drummond was all the same things and got played out of the league because he can't score outside of 3ft and he can't guard the perimeter.

I'll take Sengun because you can hide a poor rim defender, he can shoot, he can pass, he can run your offense. Much easier to put complimentary players around a guy who's just not a great defender.

He can't shoot though.

33% 3pt on 2+/gm is good enough for a big man. He can shoot just fine. The huge drop in FT% this year is weird so we'll have to see if that evens out but 33% from 3 and 75% from the line is perfectly fine.

Duren literally cannot shoot the ball outside of 3ft. I haven't watched every minute of his play but I can't recall him ever even taking a jumper. Whether people want to admit it or not, that's an insurmountable flaw for a modern big man unless you're Mobley level on defense. (which Duren is not)

Duren is a 2 dimensional player (Rebounding / Post defense) just not that valuable in today's NBA. We're gonna see the same thing with Walker Kessler as last years hype wears off.

I’m sorry do you mean his 6 total attempts this year? Look at the shot chart 95% of his shots are in the paint. He has not shown any range yet. Maybe he will.

I agree the Duren archetype is limited, but Sengun a lot more limited. Can’t shoot from distance (yet? Ever?) and isn’t a good defender, is smaller than the guys who have been able to make that improvement.

[Harry Garris]

Me personally I’d rather have the guy who’s super skilled offensively and has weaknesses on defense. There’s at least a chance for that guy to put it all together and be a star.

The guy who doesn’t have much of an offensive game isn’t really a build around piece for your franchise. Could be a decent contributor or role player but stars can create offense for themselves and others.

[jasonxxx102]

He can't shoot though.

33% 3pt on 2+/gm is good enough for a big man. He can shoot just fine. The huge drop in FT% this year is weird so we'll have to see if that evens out but 33% from 3 and 75% from the line is perfectly fine.

Duren literally cannot shoot the ball outside of 3ft. I haven't watched every minute of his play but I can't recall him ever even taking a jumper. Whether people want to admit it or not, that's an insurmountable flaw for a modern big man unless you're Mobley level on defense. (which Duren is not)

Duren is a 2 dimensional player (Rebounding / Post defense) just not that valuable in today's NBA. We're gonna see the same thing with Walker Kessler as last years hype wears off.

I’m sorry do you mean his 6 total attempts this year? Look at the shot chart 95% of his shots are in the paint. He has not shown any range yet. Maybe he will.

I agree the Duren archetype is limited, but Sengun a lot more limited. Can’t shoot from distance (yet? Ever?) and isn’t a good defender, is smaller than the guys who have been able to make that improvement.

He shot 57 last year at 33%. He's taking what's given to him because he's a heady player.

He's added a little 1fter stepback from the elbow this year I've seen him take a few times. His shot looks totally fine and he's willing to take shots when open.

How is Sengun more limited? He can do everything besides defend. Jalen can't do anything but defend and rebound, he doesn't even have great post footwork to get his own shot. What's the percentage of his shots at the rim as putbacks?

[WillyJakkz]

Alperen with the milestone!

https://observatorial.com/news/sports/558836/leaving-jokic-behind-alperen-sengun-made-nba-history/

He is being used at the top of the key/ FT area to facilitate the HOU offense. He passes exceptionally well and attacks the rim hard. Not even close to Domantas Sabonis' style of play. If anything it'd be Arvydas but obviously not as huge. Baby steps by Baby Jokic.

[K_chile22]

He can't shoot though.

33% 3pt on 2+/gm is good enough for a big man. He can shoot just fine. The huge drop in FT% this year is weird so we'll have to see if that evens out but 33% from 3 and 75% from the line is perfectly fine.

Duren literally cannot shoot the ball outside of 3ft. I haven't watched every minute of his play but I can't recall him ever even taking a jumper. Whether people want to admit it or not, that's an insurmountable flaw for a modern big man unless you're Mobley level on defense. (which Duren is not)

Duren is a 2 dimensional player (Rebounding / Post defense) just not that valuable in today's NBA. We're gonna see the same thing with Walker Kessler as last years hype wears off.

I’m sorry do you mean his 6 total attempts this year? Look at the shot chart 95% of his shots are in the paint. He has not shown any range yet. Maybe he will.

I agree the Duren archetype is limited, but Sengun a lot more limited. Can’t shoot from distance (yet? Ever?) and isn’t a good defender, is smaller than the guys who have been able to make that improvement.

I think he'll be able to shoot in time. Shot looks good and Udoka wants him to shoot them, at about 34.4% going back to lasts season but it's still a pretty insignificant sample of 67 shots.

But he actually takes a lot of shots in the short mid range even if they're technically in the paint since the paint stretches out more one way than the other. Over a third of his shots come from there via floaters, push shots, post fades which is a lot for a center and he shoots them well over average for bigs. Not a restricted area only kind of guy


He also creates a ton of his own looks in the restricted area so it's weird to hold it against him that most his scoring is there. He's not finishing plays he's creating rim looks which is like.. the most important thing for an offense. Has been 92nd percentile or higher in unassisted rim attempts among centers every year of his career

[SeattleJazzFan]

Sengun. dude just has a lot of jokic in him - the ability to make the game easier for teammates is nothing to sneeze at.

[CptCrunch]

Duren might have more value based on his role. His ceiling is however just a good role player center.

Sengun has a decent shot at becoming a franchise player. He is so far ahead of Jokic's developmental curve that it is insane. Big with decent shooting, elite passing, passable defense and near 7 foot size is not someone you can just acquire every draft.

You can however try to draft a Duren every single year.