Wednesday 12/20 NBA Game Thread

[RB34]

Ant’s gotta have like a 45 vert. Dude jumps through the roof.

[Domejandro]

Watch on YouTube

Dude is a human pogo stick.

[Dan33185]

Ant’s gotta have like a 45 vert. Dude jumps through the roof.

Fun to watch, but I have the same concerns watching him that I do with Morant, that they are going end up like Derrick Rose someday if they jump that high and and hard all the time.

[eyeatoma]

Lol it is not 95%

Yeah you're right probably closer to 97-98%. Actually watch him, instead of watching youtube/twitter clips.

Either you are really committed to trolling, or just can't get past your bias, I can't decide which.

I've already said this game he has been egregious. Over his career he flops, in every game, there are more times he doesn't get the foul, than actually flops. In this internet/social media era, its very easy to make clips where all you're doing is highlighting the egregious calls. People have bias and agendas and it's incredibly easy to influence the general population with this type of propaganda. Embiid is just as physical as Giannis, and gets the same number of calls, he flops as well, yeah, it's not fun to watch, but to act like he doesn't earn a large majority of his call is equally trollish and biased.

[B_Creamy]

This game it's been bad, but he earns 90-95% of his calls.

Lol it is not 95%

Yeah you're right probably closer to 97-98%. Actually watch him, instead of watching youtube/twitter clips.

Why do his FT attempts drop 20+% in the playoffs then?

[Prez]

If you think Embiid is a product, what about Giannis. Giannis is far less talented offensively. Gets away with his many charges, and fouls. I'd say half the stars in the league are manufactured. Embiid is one of the most versatile offensively. He just sucks at doubles. Manufactured stars IMO, Jayson Tatum, Giannis, James Harden right now from this era.

The difference is Giannis plays a brutally physical, aggressive, attacking brand of basketball, he isn't relentlessly flopping, flailing, and baiting for fouls. Fans are always going to be less annoyed by straight up physicality/aggression offensively being rewarded with FTs than flopping/foul baiting being rewarded by FTs.

Also hilarious that the 2x MVP, DPOY, champ + finals MVP who had one of the greatest finals performance of all time is a "manufactured star", not the relentless foul baiter who has yet to get past the 2nd round of the postseason and is historically one of the biggest regular season to playoff droppers among superstars in recent memory.

I think Giannis is incredibly talented, but do you think his style of play would work in the 90s, with hand checking?

He would never be able to get to the rim, and would be stifled defensively. Embiid would be able to lean on his offensive skill set, and still thrive.

Giannis is a top 15-20 player of all time, that doesn't' mean he's not manufactured.

My god, we really doing this "but how would he do in the 90s?" nonsense? Giannis is getting to the rim in any era of basketball because he's a 7' 250lb freak w/ guard-like mobility, handles, playmaking and center-like strength. Just a hilarious argument. If anyone's getting stifled in that era it's not the guy whose game is built on dishing out & dealing with physicality, but the guy who constantly exploits soft officiating and whose level drops in the postseason more than any other superstar of this era.

[TheHartBreakKid]

I gotta give it up to the Bulls logo. Best logo in the league, objectively speaking.

[RB34]

Ant’s gotta have like a 45 vert. Dude jumps through the roof.

Fun to watch, but I have the same concerns watching him that I do with Morant, that they are going end up like Derrick Rose someday if they jump that high and and hard all the time.

Agreed. Would be incredibly hard in the moment though. Playing hard, going full speed oh wait I can only jump at 50%

[F Saunders]

Respectfully, what is this announcer smoking? That's pretty clearly a foul, no?

I'd want to see another angle (maybe Anthony Edwards did an offensive foul first?), but Embiid did swing down, there.

Wasn't the swing for the block? Making a play on the ball. I mean you have to allow some contact, when it's body to body.

I just think this is more than “some contact”.

[eyeatoma]

The difference is Giannis plays a brutally physical, aggressive, attacking brand of basketball, he isn't relentlessly flopping, flailing, and baiting for fouls. Fans are always going to be less annoyed by straight up physicality/aggression offensively being rewarded with FTs than flopping/foul baiting being rewarded by FTs.

Also hilarious that the 2x MVP, DPOY, champ + finals MVP who had one of the greatest finals performance of all time is a "manufactured star", not the relentless foul baiter who has yet to get past the 2nd round of the postseason and is historically one of the biggest regular season to playoff droppers among superstars in recent memory.

I think Giannis is incredibly talented, but do you think his style of play would work in the 90s, with hand checking?

He would never be able to get to the rim, and would be stifled defensively. Embiid would be able to lean on his offensive skill set, and still thrive.

Giannis is a top 15-20 player of all time, that doesn't' mean he's not manufactured.

My god, we really doing this "but how would he do in the 90s?" nonsense? Giannis is getting to the rim in any era of basketball because he's a 7' 250lb freak w/ guard-like mobility, handles, playmaking and center-like strength. Just a hilarious argument. If anyone's getting stifled in that era it's not the guy whose game is built on dishing out & dealing with physicality, but the guy who constantly exploits soft officiating and whose level drops in the postseason more than any other superstar of this era.

Disagree. The NBA in the last 10 years is very offensively oriented. Defense has completely been negated. You can't breathe on a player now without being called for a foul. Embiid takes advantage of this.

Apart form driving to the rim, what are Giannis' offensive moves? He occasionally hits a jumper. His bread and butter is transition offense, and then driving to the rim with a run way. He's done a good job using that gravity to act as a good facilitator. How would Giannis do against the 90s Heat or Bulls? Or against the Pacers/Pistons? There are no physical defenses like that in this day and age. Even the Wolves right now, although statistically great are not allowed to do the same things that you could in the 80s/90s.

IMO, Giannis would be a 12-18 ppg player, and Embiid would be a 25-27 ppg player in that era.

[Prez]

I think Giannis is incredibly talented, but do you think his style of play would work in the 90s, with hand checking?

He would never be able to get to the rim, and would be stifled defensively. Embiid would be able to lean on his offensive skill set, and still thrive.

Giannis is a top 15-20 player of all time, that doesn't' mean he's not manufactured.

My god, we really doing this "but how would he do in the 90s?" nonsense? Giannis is getting to the rim in any era of basketball because he's a 7' 250lb freak w/ guard-like mobility, handles, playmaking and center-like strength. Just a hilarious argument. If anyone's getting stifled in that era it's not the guy whose game is built on dishing out & dealing with physicality, but the guy who constantly exploits soft officiating and whose level drops in the postseason more than any other superstar of this era.

Disagree. The NBA in the last 10 years is very offensively oriented. Defense has completely been negated. You can't breathe on a player now without being called for a foul. Embiid takes advantage of this.

Apart form driving to the rim, what are Giannis' offensive moves? He occasionally hits a jumper. His bread and butter is transition offense, and then driving to the rim with a run way. He's done a good job using that gravity to act as a good facilitator. How would Giannis do against the 90s Heat or Bulls? Or against the Pacers/Pistons? There are no physical defenses like that in this day and age. Even the Wolves right now, although statistically great are not allowed to do the same things that you could in the 80s/90s.

IMO, Giannis would be a 12-18 ppg player, and Embiid would be a 25-27 ppg player in that era.

Yeah, this is not a serious conversation and I'm not engaging anymore.

[Snotbubbles]

Lol it is not 95%

Yeah you're right probably closer to 97-98%. Actually watch him, instead of watching youtube/twitter clips.

Why do his FT attempts drop 20+% in the playoffs then?

Embiid FTA/gm regular season: 10.0

Embiid FTA/gm playoffs: 9.3

[Rubio9Guy]

Yeah you're right probably closer to 97-98%. Actually watch him, instead of watching youtube/twitter clips.

Why do his FT attempts drop 20+% in the playoffs then?

Embiid FTA/gm regular season: 10.0

Embiid FTA/gm playoffs: 9.3

Eh, last 3 years it's more like 11.5 to 9.5.

Everyone knows he's a top 10 player. It just sucks he goes so far out of his way to draw fouls. Those plays just won't ever be basketball to me.

[Liam_Gallagher]

The Lakers look lethargic and slow.

[eyeatoma]

My god, we really doing this "but how would he do in the 90s?" nonsense? Giannis is getting to the rim in any era of basketball because he's a 7' 250lb freak w/ guard-like mobility, handles, playmaking and center-like strength. Just a hilarious argument. If anyone's getting stifled in that era it's not the guy whose game is built on dishing out & dealing with physicality, but the guy who constantly exploits soft officiating and whose level drops in the postseason more than any other superstar of this era.

Disagree. The NBA in the last 10 years is very offensively oriented. Defense has completely been negated. You can't breathe on a player now without being called for a foul. Embiid takes advantage of this.

Apart form driving to the rim, what are Giannis' offensive moves? He occasionally hits a jumper. His bread and butter is transition offense, and then driving to the rim with a run way. He's done a good job using that gravity to act as a good facilitator. How would Giannis do against the 90s Heat or Bulls? Or against the Pacers/Pistons? There are no physical defenses like that in this day and age. Even the Wolves right now, although statistically great are not allowed to do the same things that you could in the 80s/90s.

IMO, Giannis would be a 12-18 ppg player, and Embiid would be a 25-27 ppg player in that era.

Yeah, this is not a serious conversation and I'm not engaging anymore.

Maybe I was being hyperbolic with that point prediction. I don't think there is much of a debate with offensive versatility though. I also don't see how he would thrive against those defense that I mentioned. I'm not trying to be hard headed, or a troll. I'm genuinely asking you how would he be able to do these things that he's brazenly allowed to do in this era? Giannis is constantly traveling, charging into players, and being a bully. Forget what I wrote about the ppg prediction, and please respond to the other things I said.

[Calinks]

NBA needs to start putting more of these wolves games on National TV, time to start flexing some games in.

[RB34]

LOL Embiid calling someone out for flopping.. is this dude actually for real?

[Rubio9Guy]

Lol how is that not an offensive foul on Embiid. KAT gets called for that all the time

[PhilBlackson]

Shoutout Scottie Barnes with 18pts by halftime even if we are predictably getting beat down lol

[baldur]

I gotta give it up to the Bulls logo. Best logo in the league, objectively speaking.

I agree.

So phenomenal.