Who Would You Rather Have: Shaedon Sharpe or Jaime Jaquez Jr

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Spoiler:

A lot lower

Shaedon is Ant level potential

So who would be your player comp for Jaquez (if Shaedon is Antman)?

Just to be clear, I really like Jaquez and would have drafted him the previous year if given the opportunity

However, Sharpe has superstar potential IMO whereas Jaquez is more in the Jrue Holiday category

Likely to be an excellent, long term pro & probably more likely to reach his potential than Sharpe but I would take the punt on the latter

Disagree with the Jrue Holiday comparison. Jaquez has shown to be a more skilled scorer already. He has some of the best footwork in the league, rookie or not. He already leads the NBA in PPP on post-ups (min 25 att.). His ability to get to the line is better than anything we've seen from Jrue (Jaquez's FTr has been increasing every month and is currently at .34 this month). Jrue's career FTr is .185

Ability to score efficiently in the post with a bunch of moves, smart cutting/off-ball movement while hitting the occasional three and getting to the line at a solid rate is going to allow Jaquez to get to 20 PPG comfortably. He's one of the few Heat players that Spo trusts to create his own bucket in an offensive drought. Jimmy and Herro being the other 2. Bam to a lesser extent.

[fishfuego.]

Where do you have Jaquez’s ceiling compared to Sharpe?

A lot lower

Shaedon is Ant level potential

So who would be your player comp for Jaquez (if Shaedon is Antman)?

This argument has Wade vs Carmelo vibes lol
The higher drafted Carmelo had all the hype just because he was younger, flashy athleticism that had everyone outside Heat fans claiming the potential alone in the year’s to come would be beyond anything an older limited Wade could ever dream of becoming.

We know what happened next.

JJJ is already here, so to me I’ll take the one bird in hand than one hundred flying, as far as potential and everything else.

[heezyo2o]

For a contender, Jacquez could fit onto most teams and help right now. Lakers had the pick right before and if they took him, he'd easily be in the rotation

[DBurks2818]

Man, 3J would be getting so much press had the Lakers drafted him. It would be unreal how loved he would be in LA.

[lonzo_pelota]

SS

[RSP83]

can I have both?

[Effigy]

I think it depends on what context you’re asking.
If you’re looking to rebuild around one of these players and you have a handful of years till you want to contend? It’s Shae, hands down.
If you have a team that’s playoff bound, maybe championship ready that’s looking for a low cost high level role player, you easily go Jaime. He’s able to contribute to winning right now on a good team in that role and would likely not be as appreciated on a team rebuilding around him.

I’m not sure how people project Jaime’s ceiling but as much as a like him, I see him as a floor raising multi-tool role player most of his career. Whereas with Shae, he really could be the best player on a playoff team, whether that’s a championship contending team is where I’m not yet sure. Lots more question marks with Shae for him to reach his ceiling.

Curious what every thinks Jaime’s career comps are?

Role player?! How? He's already what you described his ceiling to be in the first year.

At this point you have to project him as max player down the line, easily all star+ potential.

Also JJJ > Sharp, I get that some project Sharp's ceiling heigher, but at this point JJJ is a better player getting major closing minutes on a playoff team, scoring on great efficiency and defending on a good level. I rather take a young guy, who is already impacting winning, than talent which might not turn out.

He’s not impacting winning. You made the finals without him last year. Miami is a good team with or without him. Swap them and then Sharpe becomes the one who ‘impacts winning’

[Eagle4]

I think it depends on what context you’re asking.
If you’re looking to rebuild around one of these players and you have a handful of years till you want to contend? It’s Shae, hands down.
If you have a team that’s playoff bound, maybe championship ready that’s looking for a low cost high level role player, you easily go Jaime. He’s able to contribute to winning right now on a good team in that role and would likely not be as appreciated on a team rebuilding around him.

I’m not sure how people project Jaime’s ceiling but as much as a like him, I see him as a floor raising multi-tool role player most of his career. Whereas with Shae, he really could be the best player on a playoff team, whether that’s a championship contending team is where I’m not yet sure. Lots more question marks with Shae for him to reach his ceiling.

Curious what every thinks Jaime’s career comps are?

Role player?! How? He's already what you described his ceiling to be in the first year.

At this point you have to project him as max player down the line, easily all star+ potential.

Also JJJ > Sharp, I get that some project Sharp's ceiling heigher, but at this point JJJ is a better player getting major closing minutes on a playoff team, scoring on great efficiency and defending on a good level. I rather take a young guy, who is already impacting winning, than talent which might not turn out.

He’s not impacting winning. You made the finals without him last year. Miami is a good team with or without him. Swap them and then Sharpe becomes the one who ‘impacts winning’

Yeah that makes 0 sense, Heat have had the most injured team in the league thus far. Bam, Herro, Caleb have all missed 10+ games, Jimmy 7. Due to that fact, Jaime has been the go to scorer in several stretches this season already and Heat are 18-12 despite all those injuries so yes he impacts winning.

Honestly that was a silly assertion, Heat lost Vincent and struss so it's a slightly different team but Jaime has been so stellar that he's completely filled the gap that those two left (along with an improved Duncan). On the other hand, Blazers are bottom feeders so we can't say Sharpe impacts winning as a key cog just yet.
Also, Sharpe may be more athletic than Jaime but he isn't more polished and savvy therefore its no surefire thing that he provides the same impact as Jaime for the Heat.

Leave it as how most see it, Sharpe is the guy for a rebuilding team and Jaime for a contender RIGHT NOW.

[Effigy]

Role player?! How? He's already what you described his ceiling to be in the first year.

At this point you have to project him as max player down the line, easily all star+ potential.

Also JJJ > Sharp, I get that some project Sharp's ceiling heigher, but at this point JJJ is a better player getting major closing minutes on a playoff team, scoring on great efficiency and defending on a good level. I rather take a young guy, who is already impacting winning, than talent which might not turn out.

He’s not impacting winning. You made the finals without him last year. Miami is a good team with or without him. Swap them and then Sharpe becomes the one who ‘impacts winning’

Yeah that makes 0 sense, Heat have had the most injured team in the league thus far. Bam, Herro, Caleb and Jimmy have all missed 10+ games. Due to that fact, Jaime has been the go to scorer in several stretches this season already and Heat are 18-12 despite all those injuries so yes he impacts winning.

Honestly that was a silly assertion, Heat lost Vincent and struss so it's a slightly different team but Jaime has been so stellar that he's completely filled the gap that those two left (along with an improved Duncan). On the other hand, Blazers are bottom feeders so we can't say Sharpe impacts winning as a key cog just yet.
Also, Sharpe may be more athletic than Jaime but he isn't more polished and savvy therefore its no surefire thing that he provides the same impact as Jaime for the Heat.

Leave it as how most see it, Sharpe is the guy for a rebuilding team and Jaime for a contender RIGHT NOW.

This is what Miami does. They get production out of whoever they have. First class organization for sure, but if they didn’t have JJJ they would have someone else and the team would be just as good. Also, I’m not going to fact check everything you said, but Jimmy missed 7 games not ‘10+’

[Eagle4]

He’s not impacting winning. You made the finals without him last year. Miami is a good team with or without him. Swap them and then Sharpe becomes the one who ‘impacts winning’

Yeah that makes 0 sense, Heat have had the most injured team in the league thus far. Bam, Herro, Caleb and Jimmy have all missed 10+ games. Due to that fact, Jaime has been the go to scorer in several stretches this season already and Heat are 18-12 despite all those injuries so yes he impacts winning.

Honestly that was a silly assertion, Heat lost Vincent and struss so it's a slightly different team but Jaime has been so stellar that he's completely filled the gap that those two left (along with an improved Duncan). On the other hand, Blazers are bottom feeders so we can't say Sharpe impacts winning as a key cog just yet.
Also, Sharpe may be more athletic than Jaime but he isn't more polished and savvy therefore its no surefire thing that he provides the same impact as Jaime for the Heat.

Leave it as how most see it, Sharpe is the guy for a rebuilding team and Jaime for a contender RIGHT NOW.

This is what Miami does. They get production out of whoever they have. First class organization for sure, but if they didn’t have JJJ they would have someone else and the team would be just as good. Also, I’m not going to fact check everything you said, but Jimmy missed 7 games not ‘10+’

Very doubtful since no one has the skillset and savvy of Jaime at the wing except.. Jimmy and I guess Caleb to a degree. Yea some guys would step up but not nobody would be as consistent as Jaime.

Also, I find it funny that now "we are a world class organization that just went to finals" but just a few months ago according to a lot of fans (particularly Celtics, Portland and Knicks fans), Heat were "doomed" because we didn't get Dame and lost Struss/Gabe.

[SweaterBae]

Jaquez is the better basketball player. Sharpe can jump higher.

[BBallFreak]

He’s not impacting winning. You made the finals without him last year. Miami is a good team with or without him. Swap them and then Sharpe becomes the one who ‘impacts winning’

Yeah that makes 0 sense, Heat have had the most injured team in the league thus far. Bam, Herro, Caleb and Jimmy have all missed 10+ games. Due to that fact, Jaime has been the go to scorer in several stretches this season already and Heat are 18-12 despite all those injuries so yes he impacts winning.

Honestly that was a silly assertion, Heat lost Vincent and struss so it's a slightly different team but Jaime has been so stellar that he's completely filled the gap that those two left (along with an improved Duncan). On the other hand, Blazers are bottom feeders so we can't say Sharpe impacts winning as a key cog just yet.
Also, Sharpe may be more athletic than Jaime but he isn't more polished and savvy therefore its no surefire thing that he provides the same impact as Jaime for the Heat.

Leave it as how most see it, Sharpe is the guy for a rebuilding team and Jaime for a contender RIGHT NOW.

This is what Miami does. They get production out of whoever they have. First class organization for sure, but if they didn’t have JJJ they would have someone else and the team would be just as good. Also, I’m not going to fact check everything you said, but Jimmy missed 7 games not ‘10+’

Impacting winning isn't about the team's record, it's about advanced stats, just FYI. I haven't compared the two, but I would guess, given how polished he is, that JJJ actually does impact winning (advanced stats) more than Sharpe. That's nothing against Sharpe, it's just a function of his youth. Again, he could end up being great, not right now he's just a raw athlete learning the game.

[VaDe255]

He’s not impacting winning. You made the finals without him last year. Miami is a good team with or without him. Swap them and then Sharpe becomes the one who ‘impacts winning’

Yeah that makes 0 sense, Heat have had the most injured team in the league thus far. Bam, Herro, Caleb and Jimmy have all missed 10+ games. Due to that fact, Jaime has been the go to scorer in several stretches this season already and Heat are 18-12 despite all those injuries so yes he impacts winning.

Honestly that was a silly assertion, Heat lost Vincent and struss so it's a slightly different team but Jaime has been so stellar that he's completely filled the gap that those two left (along with an improved Duncan). On the other hand, Blazers are bottom feeders so we can't say Sharpe impacts winning as a key cog just yet.
Also, Sharpe may be more athletic than Jaime but he isn't more polished and savvy therefore its no surefire thing that he provides the same impact as Jaime for the Heat.

Leave it as how most see it, Sharpe is the guy for a rebuilding team and Jaime for a contender RIGHT NOW.

This is what Miami does. They get production out of whoever they have. First class organization for sure, but if they didn’t have JJJ they would have someone else and the team would be just as good. Also, I’m not going to fact check everything you said, but Jimmy missed 7 games not ‘10+’

I can agree that the Heat are a first class organization. They also have just recently drafted talent at 19y, Jovic. He is buried deep in the rotation and delegated to GLeague duties a lot of the time, when he would have decent production on rebuilding teams. The exact same thing would happen to Sharp, if he was on the Heat, 20y olds rarely see minutes for playoff teams, you can go down the list of all of them.

JJJ although slightly older at 22y was projected to fill a small role at best and what he is doing now is exceptional for a guy his age in his first year.

He's a top 5 player on a playoff bound roster, playing almost all of the closing minutes. I like Sharp but this is what you hope him to be one day, when JJJ is already there.

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Yeah that makes 0 sense, Heat have had the most injured team in the league thus far. Bam, Herro, Caleb and Jimmy have all missed 10+ games. Due to that fact, Jaime has been the go to scorer in several stretches this season already and Heat are 18-12 despite all those injuries so yes he impacts winning.

Honestly that was a silly assertion, Heat lost Vincent and struss so it's a slightly different team but Jaime has been so stellar that he's completely filled the gap that those two left (along with an improved Duncan). On the other hand, Blazers are bottom feeders so we can't say Sharpe impacts winning as a key cog just yet.
Also, Sharpe may be more athletic than Jaime but he isn't more polished and savvy therefore its no surefire thing that he provides the same impact as Jaime for the Heat.

Leave it as how most see it, Sharpe is the guy for a rebuilding team and Jaime for a contender RIGHT NOW.

This is what Miami does. They get production out of whoever they have. First class organization for sure, but if they didn’t have JJJ they would have someone else and the team would be just as good. Also, I’m not going to fact check everything you said, but Jimmy missed 7 games not ‘10+’

I can agree that the Heat are a first class organization. They also have just recently drafted talent at 19y, Jovic. He is buried deep in the rotation and delegated to GLeague duties a lot of the time, when he would have decent production on rebuilding teams. The exact same thing would happen to Sharp, if he was on the Heat, 20y olds rarely see minutes for playoff teams, you can go down the list of all of them.

JJJ although slightly older at 22y was projected to fill a small role at best and what he is doing now is exceptional for a guy his age in his first year.

He's a top 5 player on a playoff bound roster, playing almost all of the closing minutes. I like Sharp but this is what you hope him to be one day, when JJJ is already there.

I disagree. As long as you bring some value to the Heat, Spo will play you, regardless of age. 19 year old rookie Herro was seeing alot of PT for Miami and was leading the team in 4Q minutes at one point. People forgot Herro dropped 37 in the ECF when he wasn't legally allowed to drink yet. Justise Winslow was 19 when Heat drafted him and was also seeing PT because he was playing elite defense.

[Effigy]

Yeah that makes 0 sense, Heat have had the most injured team in the league thus far. Bam, Herro, Caleb and Jimmy have all missed 10+ games. Due to that fact, Jaime has been the go to scorer in several stretches this season already and Heat are 18-12 despite all those injuries so yes he impacts winning.

Honestly that was a silly assertion, Heat lost Vincent and struss so it's a slightly different team but Jaime has been so stellar that he's completely filled the gap that those two left (along with an improved Duncan). On the other hand, Blazers are bottom feeders so we can't say Sharpe impacts winning as a key cog just yet.
Also, Sharpe may be more athletic than Jaime but he isn't more polished and savvy therefore its no surefire thing that he provides the same impact as Jaime for the Heat.

Leave it as how most see it, Sharpe is the guy for a rebuilding team and Jaime for a contender RIGHT NOW.

This is what Miami does. They get production out of whoever they have. First class organization for sure, but if they didn’t have JJJ they would have someone else and the team would be just as good. Also, I’m not going to fact check everything you said, but Jimmy missed 7 games not ‘10+’

Impacting winning isn't about the team's record, it's about advanced stats, just FYI. I haven't compared the two, but I would guess, given how polished he is, that JJJ actually does impact winning (advanced stats) more than Sharpe. That's nothing against Sharpe, it's just a function of his youth. Again, he could end up being great, not right now he's just a raw athlete learning the game.

Rookies never seem to impact winning as far as I can tell. Kevin Durant's team stunk for the first 2 years he was there. So did Devin Booker's. Wemby also doesn't seem to be impacting winning. It always feels disingenuous to compare a rookie who's on a good team with a young player on a bad team and try to attribute the credit to the former. I don't really agree that impacting winning has nothing to do with the record. If the team doesn't win, how can you impact winning? Advanced stats are interesting and can be helpful, but not always. Situations are very different. Sharpe's Win shares in his rookie season were higher than JJJ's are, and Sharpe barely played. Now Sharpe is playing and there is no first option. His efficiency is way down, the team is worse, and his win shares are down. He's not a worse player than he was last year, he's definitely better, but the team is worse. If Sharpe and JJJ had been swapped for each other, you'd see no meaningful difference in the teams' records, IMO. People would be telling us that Sharpe impacts winning because he's on the winning team. It's the laziest possible way to analyze players.

[7r5ur]

Yeah that makes 0 sense, Heat have had the most injured team in the league thus far. Bam, Herro, Caleb and Jimmy have all missed 10+ games. Due to that fact, Jaime has been the go to scorer in several stretches this season already and Heat are 18-12 despite all those injuries so yes he impacts winning.

Honestly that was a silly assertion, Heat lost Vincent and struss so it's a slightly different team but Jaime has been so stellar that he's completely filled the gap that those two left (along with an improved Duncan). On the other hand, Blazers are bottom feeders so we can't say Sharpe impacts winning as a key cog just yet.
Also, Sharpe may be more athletic than Jaime but he isn't more polished and savvy therefore its no surefire thing that he provides the same impact as Jaime for the Heat.

Leave it as how most see it, Sharpe is the guy for a rebuilding team and Jaime for a contender RIGHT NOW.

This is what Miami does. They get production out of whoever they have. First class organization for sure, but if they didn’t have JJJ they would have someone else and the team would be just as good. Also, I’m not going to fact check everything you said, but Jimmy missed 7 games not ‘10+’

Impacting winning isn't about the team's record, it's about advanced stats, just FYI. I haven't compared the two, but I would guess, given how polished he is, that JJJ actually does impact winning (advanced stats) more than Sharpe. That's nothing against Sharpe, it's just a function of his youth. Again, he could end up being great, not right now he's just a raw athlete learning the game.

Miami is better when Jaime is off the floor. Same with Shae in Portland. It's quite difficult for 1st and 2nd year players to actually impact winning in a real positive way, which is why I hate this "ohhh he's impacting winning" narrative when a dude goes to a team with a bunch of all-stars and the best coach in the league.

Jaime's been very good as a rookie and I like his future (maybe more than Shae), especially on a team like Miami that knows how to maximize their talent, but let's be real here. No one would be saying he impacts winning if he went to some trash team.

[DBurks2818]

Miami is better when Jaime is off the floor.

I bet you're statistically right, but the eye test says you're wrong (for whatever that's worth). If there was a 'timely minutes' or 'timely buckets' stat, I bet he'd be one of the team's leaders!

[Roy The Natural]

Man, 3J would be getting so much press had the Lakers drafted him. It would be unreal how loved he would be in LA.

I mean... So would Sharpe

[Roy The Natural]

This is what Miami does. They get production out of whoever they have. First class organization for sure, but if they didn’t have JJJ they would have someone else and the team would be just as good. Also, I’m not going to fact check everything you said, but Jimmy missed 7 games not ‘10+’

Impacting winning isn't about the team's record, it's about advanced stats, just FYI. I haven't compared the two, but I would guess, given how polished he is, that JJJ actually does impact winning (advanced stats) more than Sharpe. That's nothing against Sharpe, it's just a function of his youth. Again, he could end up being great, not right now he's just a raw athlete learning the game.

Miami is better when Jaime is off the floor. Same with Shae in Portland. It's quite difficult for 1st and 2nd year players to actually impact winning in a real positive way, which is why I hate this "ohhh he's impacting winning" narrative when a dude goes to a team with a bunch of all-stars and the best coach in the league.

Jaime's been very good as a rookie and I like his future (maybe more than Shae), especially on a team like Miami that knows how to maximize their talent, but let's be real here. No one would be saying he impacts winning if he went to some trash team.

Exactly... It's a super dumb argument. The only thing that really matters is what they do during competitive minutes. Portland may be bad, but they rarely get blown out, and Shaedon is on the floor for all of those competitive minutes.

[BBallFreak]

This is what Miami does. They get production out of whoever they have. First class organization for sure, but if they didn’t have JJJ they would have someone else and the team would be just as good. Also, I’m not going to fact check everything you said, but Jimmy missed 7 games not ‘10+’

Impacting winning isn't about the team's record, it's about advanced stats, just FYI. I haven't compared the two, but I would guess, given how polished he is, that JJJ actually does impact winning (advanced stats) more than Sharpe. That's nothing against Sharpe, it's just a function of his youth. Again, he could end up being great, not right now he's just a raw athlete learning the game.

Miami is better when Jaime is off the floor. Same with Shae in Portland. It's quite difficult for 1st and 2nd year players to actually impact winning in a real positive way, which is why I hate this "ohhh he's impacting winning" narrative when a dude goes to a team with a bunch of all-stars and the best coach in the league.

Jaime's been very good as a rookie and I like his future (maybe more than Shae), especially on a team like Miami that knows how to maximize their talent, but let's be real here. No one would be saying he impacts winning if he went to some trash team.

That's great but still wrong. JJJ may not be perfect on the advanced stats, but he's better than Sharpe in every single one.