NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (Part 3: Son of Daughter of MVP thread)

[AleksandarN]

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[hardenASG13]

this.
that's a laughable notion, MVP is the most valuable during the course of a season, not per game haha.

not that I think Joe L has been the best per game, there are superstars playing almost every game out there. showing up, even when they're tired, on a back to back, deflated or banged up

this clown ducks the tough game (intentionally!), picks and chooses his opponents and rests and stat pads vs. the Wizards\Pistons tier of teams, in blow outs even when he's injured cuz he wants to keep some worthless streak alive

well before the 65 minimum, games played were weighed heavily in MVP considerations with Walton being the only exception to the new rule anyway. Walton was head and shoulders better per game than his competitors, he was the best player throughout that season even tho he played fewer games

the irony is that Embiid is only causing himself to keep alive the one "streak" that actually matters - the streak of not winning rings and not even making out of the 2nd round, his blatant ducking and stat padding are costing the 76ers in playoff seedings.

if Embiid chose to rest vs. the weaker teams (and the 76ers are stacked and should win those games anyway), he'd have the stamine and health to play in the tougher games, the ones the 76ers really need him for

he really aggravated an injury while stat padding, and now instead of Philly being 2nd in the East (at the very least), they are 3rd with the pack behind them gaining on them

his stat padding might end up costing the 76ers HCA..

I think that with Embiid's rest and injury history, it's becoming unrealstic for him to meet the criteria he's already missed too much.

I think at this point in the race it's a clear race between Jokic and SGA.
still alot of season to play and alot can happen, but as of the first week of 2024 imo it's those two neck to neck.
personally I have Jokic first but they're very close and I wouldn't fault anyone for picking SGA

There are no tough matchups for Embiid, Jokic, SGA, Luka, or any MVP candidate. Check their averages for proof. The stat padding notion is laughable. He sits 4th quarters vs those bad teams alot due to blowouts. He averages 35 per games, against anyone. Where is the stat padding? He accumulates stats, like the other candidates, because he's unstoppable. What are the tough matchups for Embiid, please do share.

Embiid has a long history now. It's clear his body isn't ideally suited for an 82 game grind. He has to sit sometimes. But yeah I don't think he will play 65 games either.

So embiid playing in the fourth getting blown out by 35 points with 4:51 minutes left in the fourth is not stat padding? Are you serious lol. Dude was chasing 30 points. On top of that he was injuried that game and STILL played the fourth in order to chase stats.

No, that instance made no sense which I've said multiple times here. It also doesn't define him as a "statpadder". It was one game.

[Jaqua92]

Dude went into the game 30 points down, injured, only to keep his 30/10 streak alive. He plays minutes that he shouldn't, he's in the game when the game is over, he's not always sitting when he's supposed to, he's mostly sitting when he's accumulated enough stats to be satisfied with the output. If you don't think he's looking for every little way to pad his stats, then you're lying to yourself, it's obvious from many of the situations over the season that he does this.

Meanwhile, Jokic is sitting the whole 4th quarters when he's 1 reb/ast away from a triple double, if the game is over.

Embiid has sat a bunch of 4th quarters, often against the teams he's criticized on here for playing against.

He shouldn't have been in there vs the Knicks, I agree. That one instance doesn't make him a stat padder though. Check his game log! He has massive stats every night, regardless of opponent. I just feel people are really reaching here with the stat padding/"ducking" arguments.

listen, i've watched countless 76ers games over the last few seasons what ur saying is simply not true
first of all, every player in the league sits out 4th quarters when the game is over and naturally those type of games happen alot vs the weaker teams. Embiid has those games more often because he always plays those and ducks other games, so a higher % of his overall games is against bottom teams, stands to reason he sits out more 4th quarters than his rivals

you wanna see how many gaudy stat lines guys like Giannis or Jokic would have had had they played 4th quarters in blowouts?
that's the same for all superstars

edit: btw that's just the norm now in the NBA, i'm sure if Embiid had a choice he wouldn't sit out those 4 quarters but luckily - it's not up to him.

Embiid def stat pads, in a variety of ways. his favorite way is doing it when he knows it'll be a blow out (and it already is) but it's still like...middle of the 3rd quarter or late in the 3rd
he knows he's gonna be sat out soon so he jacks up alot of shots, when the game is essentially over (but before it's officialy over)

and as for the Knicks game, you know full well the ONLY reason he deviated from sitting out was to keep his worthless "streak" alive
a team with a leader so consumed by personal accolades, to the point he'd risk himself and the team's chances of success for a stupid meaningless stat - is going nowhere.

that's what the Embiid stans fail to realize, the ducking and stat padding (not to mention the flopping and foul baiting) isn't just a bad look - it has consequences.

The fact remains that Embiid is talented enough to get big numbers, but then he does what you're referencing here. And I've seen it as well. 12 points at half 7 FGA attempt and a 15 point lead. Then you hear he goes 11/12 in the 3rd, and more then doubles his FGA attempt.

The guy clearly has talent. But he also clearly prioritizes his individual production above all else, and it just seems like as a competitor, his head isn't in the right place. Maybe we will be wrong come playoff time... But the fact remains the free throws aren't rewarded to him like they are in the regular season, and he gets frustrated, starts moping, and you know he's beaten.

Embiid may win a championship one day as an elite #3, or when he's past top 10 production and can play a role, but he can't as a #1 option. People got ahead of themselves with his stat padding season so far.

His MVP campaign is over. Move on. Get healthy, focus on playing basketball and scoring without baiting for fouls because he won't be rewarded it in the post season. Maybe, just maybe, he can get to the conference finals where he will then be obliterated by Boston. But at least he would have gotten there and he can lose the tag as the worst MVP ever in the post season.

[Jaqua92]

The fact that joker is up there when he’s playing like he doesn’t give a **** about the mvp is hysterical

That's what happens when you're the best player in the planet.

[Exp0sed]

The fact remains that Embiid is talented enough to get big numbers, but then he does what you're referencing here. And I've seen it as well. 12 points at half 7 FGA attempt and a 15 point lead. Then you hear he goes 11/12 in the 3rd, and more then doubles his FGA attempt.

The guy clearly has talent. But he also clearly prioritizes his individual production above all else, and it just seems like as a competitor, his head isn't in the right place. Maybe we will be wrong come playoff time... But the fact remains the free throws aren't rewarded to him like they are in the regular season, and he gets frustrated, starts moping, and you know he's beaten.

Embiid may win a championship one day as an elite #3, or when he's past top 10 production and can play a role, but he can't as a #1 option. People got ahead of themselves with his stat padding season so far.

His MVP campaign is over. Move on. Get healthy, focus on playing basketball and scoring without baiting for fouls because he won't be rewarded it in the post season. Maybe, just maybe, he can get to the conference finals where he will then be obliterated by Boston. But at least he would have gotten there and he can lose the tag as the worst MVP ever in the post season.

I completely agree
no1 is denying his talent, on the contrary..it's because of his talent and how he squanders it chasing personal accolades, that he gets this level of hate and criticism.

I'm mad at him because I know how good he could have been, with a different mindset but it is what it is

[Jaqua92]

The fact remains that Embiid is talented enough to get big numbers, but then he does what you're referencing here. And I've seen it as well. 12 points at half 7 FGA attempt and a 15 point lead. Then you hear he goes 11/12 in the 3rd, and more then doubles his FGA attempt.

The guy clearly has talent. But he also clearly prioritizes his individual production above all else, and it just seems like as a competitor, his head isn't in the right place. Maybe we will be wrong come playoff time... But the fact remains the free throws aren't rewarded to him like they are in the regular season, and he gets frustrated, starts moping, and you know he's beaten.

Embiid may win a championship one day as an elite #3, or when he's past top 10 production and can play a role, but he can't as a #1 option. People got ahead of themselves with his stat padding season so far.

His MVP campaign is over. Move on. Get healthy, focus on playing basketball and scoring without baiting for fouls because he won't be rewarded it in the post season. Maybe, just maybe, he can get to the conference finals where he will then be obliterated by Boston. But at least he would have gotten there and he can lose the tag as the worst MVP ever in the post season.

I completely agree
no1 is denying his talent, on the contrary..it's because of his talent and how he squanders it chasing personal accolades, that he gets this level of hate and criticism.

I'm mad at him because I know how good he could have been, with a different mindset but it is what it is

And to be fair, A LOT of players don't increase production in the post season. In fact, it's only the TRUE all time greats like MJ, LeBron, Jokic etc who improve in the post season. But a slight fall off in production for an MVP caliber player is an entirely different animal than an MVP caliber player routinely being a top 10 player at BEST in the playoffs, and Embiid's issue on that front is what he does with his competitive drive.

There have been a lot of great, MVP caliber players that just don't have *it* until they're older, and past their prime.

Hell, even Lebron didn't have *it* until he got a bit of mileage in it.

Embiid is what he is at this point. A historically great regular season player having an all time great 3 year peak, who just doesn't have *it* in the post season.

[Mrakar]

IMO Ben Taylor is clear #1 after tonights preformance. Scott is falling behind, by a lot...

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I didn't say you personally were a Stan.

wow, you putting that with a starting capital letter made me realize, after so many years reading, that this expression is coming from Eminem's song.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

I see the risk that Embiid will try to play more games than what his body allows him to to be elegible for MVP and other awards and arrives banged up if not injured to the playoffs.

Probably he should cut off his crazy usage and manage himself more.

[AussieBuck]

A truly great Giannis season is being pissed away on horrific coaching. Without a change at the top the Bucks are going to flounder and he'll fall out of contention.

[BelgradeNugget]

IMO Ben Taylor is clear #1 after tonights preformance. Scott is falling behind, by a lot...

His performance in Nuggets-Detroit game shouldn't go unnoticed

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[RB34]

IMO Ben Taylor is clear #1 after tonights preformance. Scott is falling behind, by a lot...

His performance in Nuggets-Detroit game shouldn't go unnoticed

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Could be a good thread idea.. LVR (least valuable ref) we bicker about which ref is the worst and post clips of their awful calls.

Tony Brothers
Marc Davis
Ben Taylor
Scott Foster

Some great candidates there..

[Wolfgang630]

I didn't say you personally were a Stan.

wow, you putting that with a starting capital letter made me realize, after so many years reading, that this expression is coming from Eminem's song.

Lol. I’m your biggest fan, Stan

[JustBuzzin]

A truly great Giannis season is being pissed away on horrific coaching. Without a change at the top the Bucks are going to flounder and he'll fall out of contention.

You either have high expectations for the Bucks or you just don't understand the Bucks have a top 3 seed.

Sorry but people claiming Griffin should be fired with a top 3 seed with a new roster makes no sense. This guy is a first year HC. He deserves to finish the season.

Maybe if the Bucks had a losing record you would have a point.

[timO]

doncic mavs with another play-in performance

[Cubbies2120]

Bogdan Bogdanovic is voted as the best Serbian basketball player by the Serbian Basketball Federation.

https://basketnews.com/news-199982-bogdan-bogdanovic-claims-title-of-best-serbian-player-for-2023.html

[CobraCommander]

Bogdan Bogdanovic is voted as the best Serbian basketball player by the Serbian Basketball Federation.

https://basketnews.com/news-199982-bogdan-bogdanovic-claims-title-of-best-serbian-player-for-2023.html

So you saying the Serbians didn’t understand the voting system used in this poll?

[zonedefense]

As far as narrative goes. Is Embiid missing games worse than Luka limping up and down the court or Jokic struggling with a nagging wrist injury? When it is time to vote Embiid won't have as many bad/mediocre games and as long as he qualifies for it he has a strong MVP case. People won't remember why Jokic's touch wasn't as good as it usually is. Why Luka struggled to beat defenders of the dribble.

[Wolfgang630]

Embiid and the 76ers need to prioritize the playoffs. You had years of failing. You had years of the process and all you’ve shown for it is years of second round exits. At a point you need to focus on moving ahead in the playoffs and Embiid is the best player. If anyone leads you to the championship is him, so you have to take care of his health now.

[Woodsanity]

As far as narrative goes. Is Embiid missing games worse than Luka limping up and down the court or Jokic struggling with a nagging wrist injury? When it is time to vote Embiid won't have as many bad/mediocre games and as long as he qualifies for it he has a strong MVP case. People won't remember why Jokic's touch wasn't as good as it usually is. Why Luka struggled to beat defenders of the dribble.

As long as he reaches 65 games played he will be fine and casual fans will not realize or will forget.

Thats why Embiid is the best stat padder in the nba right now. Take 1/4th of the season off and then come back against bottom feeders to pad stats.

Too bad that does not work in the playoffs.