Jontay Porter betting on himself

Post #81 » by **G R E Y** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:30 am

scrabbarista wrote:
G R E Y wrote:

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No, it's not.

It's a joke, matey!

scrabbarista · Post #82 » by **scrabbarista** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:33 am

G R E Y wrote:
scrabbarista wrote:
G R E Y wrote:

Read on Twitter

No, it's not.

It's a joke, matey!

I get it. I just don't find it funny when someone's career is on the line and there's zero evidence of his having done anything wrong other than an eye injury and a sickness.

But we're cool, I hope. Nothing personal.

ForeverTFC · Post #83 » by **ForeverTFC** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:34 am

___Rand___ wrote:
BrianInPhilly wrote:
mathgeek wrote:I'd love to see what proof they have.

They're investigating it. But anyone with any math sense would know it is virtually impossible and therefore improbably that on TWO different days the biggest prop bet in the NBA was some benchwarmer dude's UNDER. Even on 1 day that would be improbable without the person(s) betting have a ton of inside knowledge, but with 2 someone illegal and sketchy is definitely going on. That doesn't mean Porter is 100% to blame though there prob is 90%+ plus that he is involved and worked with the bettors to bet under for those games. The other 10% could be a teammate of Porter who tipped off people he knew. The "Under" on 3's makes sense if say Porter told his teammate the morning of the game "I can barely see, not gonna attempt any 3's tonight" - and then that teammate told others to bet under. That's possible too. Either way someone in that locker room (most likely Porter) collaborated with outsiders to bet.

I mean there's too much inside info on these things every single day. Even for innocent stuff if someone overhears someone else who's working with a team, they can make these kinds of bets. How is NBA gonna police all that?

Yup. Unless there is a paper trail, how can you fault a player for telling people around them how they feel that day or whether they'll suit it up?

zero rings · Post #84 » by **zero rings** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:43 am

What kind of degenerate would even bet on a Jontay Porter under? The fact that any bets were placed at all is enough to raise suspicion.

No doubt there are other players running similar schemes.

NyKnicks1714 · Post #85 » by **NyKnicks1714** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:46 am

This gets more stupid every time I think about it. When Porter and/or whoever he's collaborating with saw that their prop bet was the biggest moneymaker on Draftkings...how and why did they let that happen again, with the same sportsbook?

We know a lot of money was wagered, but these had to have been a few large wagers as opposed to many smaller ones. This isn't a big enough operation to have hundreds of dummy accounts set up to run these through. And if it was, that would take a lot of work by people who really knew what they were doing, which the bad actors here did not.

Either Porter got a couple of rich buddies to place bets on these props, some dumb rich guy approached Porter and paid him to have him ensure the unders, or Porter owed a debt and this was his way out, with the orchestrators somehow ensuring they'd get their money.

Can't wrap my head around this situation.

KembaWalker · Post #86 » by **KembaWalker** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 12:51 am

You’re a player on the team, you have enough inside knowledge on strategy, schedule gameplanning, team health etc to make an edge in props without betting on yourself and throwing. What a dumbass

Also every low paid assistant coach, skill trainer, medical staff is all betting on their inside info too and influencing things however they can

BrianInPhilly · Post #87 » by **BrianInPhilly** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:02 am

___Rand___ wrote:
BrianInPhilly wrote:
mathgeek wrote:I'd love to see what proof they have.

They're investigating it. But anyone with any math sense would know it is virtually impossible and therefore improbably that on TWO different days the biggest prop bet in the NBA was some benchwarmer dude's UNDER. Even on 1 day that would be improbable without the person(s) betting have a ton of inside knowledge, but with 2 someone illegal and sketchy is definitely going on. That doesn't mean Porter is 100% to blame though there prob is 90%+ plus that he is involved and worked with the bettors to bet under for those games. The other 10% could be a teammate of Porter who tipped off people he knew. The "Under" on 3's makes sense if say Porter told his teammate the morning of the game "I can barely see, not gonna attempt any 3's tonight" - and then that teammate told others to bet under. That's possible too. Either way someone in that locker room (most likely Porter) collaborated with outsiders to bet.

I mean there's too much inside info on these things every single day. Even for innocent stuff if someone overhears someone else who's working with a team, they can make these kinds of bets. How is NBA gonna police all that?

That's a good question and for the NBA and/or the betting sites to figure out. For the sites integrity you can't have people w/ insider info having the upper hand on regular bettors. But that's very hard to monitor obviously. Any coach for example could EASILY manipulate prop bets obviously by just reducing a guys minutes or telling a player "Don't shoot 3's anymore", etc etc.

ForeverTFC · Post #88 » by **ForeverTFC** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:06 am

BrianInPhilly wrote:
___Rand___ wrote:
BrianInPhilly wrote:
They're investigating it. But anyone with any math sense would know it is virtually impossible and therefore improbably that on TWO different days the biggest prop bet in the NBA was some benchwarmer dude's UNDER. Even on 1 day that would be improbable without the person(s) betting have a ton of inside knowledge, but with 2 someone illegal and sketchy is definitely going on. That doesn't mean Porter is 100% to blame though there prob is 90%+ plus that he is involved and worked with the bettors to bet under for those games. The other 10% could be a teammate of Porter who tipped off people he knew. The "Under" on 3's makes sense if say Porter told his teammate the morning of the game "I can barely see, not gonna attempt any 3's tonight" - and then that teammate told others to bet under. That's possible too. Either way someone in that locker room (most likely Porter) collaborated with outsiders to bet.

I mean there's too much inside info on these things every single day. Even for innocent stuff if someone overhears someone else who's working with a team, they can make these kinds of bets. How is NBA gonna police all that?

That's a good question and for the NBA and/or the betting sites to figure out. For the sites integrity you can't have people w/ insider info having the upper hand on regular bettors. But that's very hard to monitor obviously. Any coach for example could EASILY manipulate prop bets obviously by just reducing a guys minutes or telling a player "Don't shoot 3's anymore", etc etc.

Why? Betting is the bettor vs the house. Other bettors aren't impacted. Am I missing something?

MarcusBrody · Post #89 » by **MarcusBrody** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:10 am

NyKnicks1714 wrote:
MarcusBrody wrote:
NyKnicks1714 wrote:
This isn't a thing that happens.

It certainly can be:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/01/17/sports-bets-errors-payouts/

Basically sports books claiming that their odds were "in error" retroactively to try to avoid paying based on the observed payout of what actually happened. I strongly suspect that they never refunded money in the opposite direction.

He got paid in full in the end, but this sort of thing is an anomaly. If you want to start sports betting, it's not a potential issue you need to concern yourself with.

Did you read the article? They mentioned multiple other instances and talked to state regulators about the problem. The main guy only got paid months later after he reported it to the state gaming board.

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NyKnicks1714 · Post #91 » by **NyKnicks1714** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:13 am

ForeverTFC wrote:
BrianInPhilly wrote:
___Rand___ wrote:
I mean there's too much inside info on these things every single day. Even for innocent stuff if someone overhears someone else who's working with a team, they can make these kinds of bets. How is NBA gonna police all that?

That's a good question and for the NBA and/or the betting sites to figure out. For the sites integrity you can't have people w/ insider info having the upper hand on regular bettors. But that's very hard to monitor obviously. Any coach for example could EASILY manipulate prop bets obviously by just reducing a guys minutes or telling a player "Don't shoot 3's anymore", etc etc.

Why? Betting is the bettor vs the house. Other bettors aren't impacted. Am I missing something?

Lines move based on the betting such that the sportsbook profits with either outcome. So if you have a lot of money being bet on an under of let's say 8.5, the sportsbook wants to get people betting on the over to even out the wagers (Bets like these are usually -105 to -115, meaning someone has to bet $105-$115 to profit $100. So by getting an even number of bets on each side, the sportsbook profits). To do that they'll move the line down. Now bettors see what looks like a great line on the over at say 7.0 or 7.5, so they bet the over, but obviously that's dead money now.

NyKnicks1714 · Post #92 » by **NyKnicks1714** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:14 am

MarcusBrody wrote:
NyKnicks1714 wrote:
MarcusBrody wrote:It certainly can be:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/01/17/sports-bets-errors-payouts/

Basically sports books claiming that their odds were "in error" retroactively to try to avoid paying based on the observed payout of what actually happened. I strongly suspect that they never refunded money in the opposite direction.

He got paid in full in the end, but this sort of thing is an anomaly. If you want to start sports betting, it's not a potential issue you need to concern yourself with.

Did you read the article? They mentioned multiple other instances and talked to state regulators about the problem. The main guy only got paid months later after he reported it to the state gaming board.

Fair enough. It's still not something the average person has to worry about when betting on sports.

axeman23 · Post #93 » by **axeman23** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:16 am

Dubious Handles wrote:and so it begins

Adam Silver:

disoblige · Post #94 » by **disoblige** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:17 am

scrabbarista wrote:
G R E Y wrote:
scrabbarista wrote:
No, it's not.

It's a joke, matey!

I get it. I just don't find it funny when someone's career is on the line and there's zero evidence of his having done anything wrong other than an eye injury and a sickness.

But we're cool, I hope. Nothing personal.

Read on Twitter

He is making min. He probably has money problems or wants more money.

Read on Twitter

Somebody poke his eyes on Jan. One week after, the medical staff cleared him and then left the game and said it is still bothering him .

Post #95 » by **G R E Y** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:25 am

scrabbarista wrote:
G R E Y wrote:
scrabbarista wrote:
No, it's not.

It's a joke, matey!

I get it. I just don't find it funny when someone's career is on the line and there's zero evidence of his having done anything wrong other than an eye injury and a sickness.

But we're cool, I hope. Nothing personal.

Yeah of course, we're good.

But he's being investigated so we can't conclude there's zero evidence he did nothing wrong.

There's often a judge jury social media aspect to wrongdoing accusations. But this isn't a whim investigation.

Post #96 » by **G R E Y** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:26 am

disoblige wrote:
scrabbarista wrote:
G R E Y wrote:It's a joke, matey!

I get it. I just don't find it funny when someone's career is on the line and there's zero evidence of his having done anything wrong other than an eye injury and a sickness.

But we're cool, I hope. Nothing personal.

Jontay history.

| Date | Injury/Reason | Status | Analysis |

| March 24, 2024 | Personal | Remains out for Monday | Porter has been ruled out for Monday's game against the Nets due to personal reasons. |
| March 23, 2024 | Personal | Won't play Saturday | Porter is out for Saturday's game versus the Wizards due to personal reasons. |
| March 20, 2024 | Illness | Leaves early with illness | Porter won't return to Wednesday's game against the Kings due to an illness. |
| February 14, 2024 | Ankle | Doubtful for Wednesday | Porter is doubtful for Wednesday's game against the Pacers with a right ankle sprain. |
| February 9, 2024 | Back | Gets 11 minutes in return | Porter tallied seven points, three rebounds, and one steal across 11 minutes. |
| February 7, 2024 | Back | Officially out | Porter (back) has been ruled out for Wednesday's game against the Hornets. |
| February 7, 2024 | Back | Downgraded to doubtful | Porter (back) is now listed as doubtful for Wednesday's game versus the Hornets. |
| February 5, 2024 | Back | Ruled out for Monday | Porter (back) has been ruled out for Monday's game against the Pelicans. |
| February 3, 2024 | Back | Out again Sunday | Porter (back) will not play in Sunday's game against the Thunder. |
| February 2, 2024 | Back | Ruled out for Friday's game | Porter (back) has been ruled out for Friday's game against the Rockets. |
| February 1, 2024 | Back | Unlikely to play Friday | Porter (back) is doubtful for Friday's game versus the Rockets. |
| January 30, 2024 | Back | Exits with back spasms | Porter won't return to Tuesday's game against the Bulls due to back spasms. |
| January 26, 2024 | Eye | Exits with eye injury | Porter won't return to Friday's game against the Clippers due to an eye issue. |

Read on Twitter

He is making min. He probably has money problems or wants more money.

Read on Twitter

Somebody poke his eyes on Jan. One week after, the medical staff cleared him and then left the game and said it is still bothering him and left the game.

The prodigal eye injury is glaring lol

Wigginstime · Post #97 » by **Wigginstime** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:38 am

disoblige wrote:
Wigginstime wrote:Porter Family is having a rough month

Coban Porter is expected to get 8 months in prison for his DUI that resulted in a fatality
Jontay Porter could be facing criminal gambling charges

This has to being weighing heavily on MPJ

*offtopic

8 months in prison for his DUI that resulted in fatality? thats soft, I view it almost as murder.

Error - he is expected to get 8 years

scrabbarista · Post #98 » by **scrabbarista** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:40 am

disoblige wrote:
scrabbarista wrote:
G R E Y wrote:It's a joke, matey!

I get it. I just don't find it funny when someone's career is on the line and there's zero evidence of his having done anything wrong other than an eye injury and a sickness.

But we're cool, I hope. Nothing personal.

Jontay history.

| Date | Injury/Reason | Status | Analysis |

| March 24, 2024 | Personal | Remains out for Monday | Porter has been ruled out for Monday's game against the Nets due to personal reasons. |
| March 23, 2024 | Personal | Won't play Saturday | Porter is out for Saturday's game versus the Wizards due to personal reasons. |
| March 20, 2024 | Illness | Leaves early with illness | Porter won't return to Wednesday's game against the Kings due to an illness. |
| February 14, 2024 | Ankle | Doubtful for Wednesday | Porter is doubtful for Wednesday's game against the Pacers with a right ankle sprain. |
| February 9, 2024 | Back | Gets 11 minutes in return | Porter tallied seven points, three rebounds, and one steal across 11 minutes. |
| February 7, 2024 | Back | Officially out | Porter (back) has been ruled out for Wednesday's game against the Hornets. |
| February 7, 2024 | Back | Downgraded to doubtful | Porter (back) is now listed as doubtful for Wednesday's game versus the Hornets. |
| February 5, 2024 | Back | Ruled out for Monday | Porter (back) has been ruled out for Monday's game against the Pelicans. |
| February 3, 2024 | Back | Out again Sunday | Porter (back) will not play in Sunday's game against the Thunder. |
| February 2, 2024 | Back | Ruled out for Friday's game | Porter (back) has been ruled out for Friday's game against the Rockets. |
| February 1, 2024 | Back | Unlikely to play Friday | Porter (back) is doubtful for Friday's game versus the Rockets. |
| January 30, 2024 | Back | Exits with back spasms | Porter won't return to Tuesday's game against the Bulls due to back spasms. |
| January 26, 2024 | Eye | Exits with eye injury | Porter won't return to Friday's game against the Clippers due to an eye issue. |

Read on Twitter

He is making min. He probably has money problems or wants more money.

Read on Twitter

Somebody poke his eyes on Jan. One week after, the medical staff cleared him and then left the game and said it is still bothering him .

A) Dude had multiple major surgeries in college and his bro has had a massive injury history, too. Missing games for injury isn't proof of anything.

B) Those last two "personal reasons" are probably because he's under investigation.

C) Playing the stock market does not make him guilty any more than banking in a three-pointer does.

makubesu · Post #99 » by **makubesu** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:45 am

This is totally disgraceful. What’s the over / under on his suspension length?

Post #100 » by **G R E Y** » Tue Mar 26, 2024 1:46 am

Odds on his being found guilty?

(Sorry. Too soon?)