Re: Knicks-Sixers L2M for Game 2
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2024 2:54 pm
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bebopdeluxe wrote:Scalabrine wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Seems like they're both the same. The outcome is predetermined.
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Gosh you Sixers fans are acting like such little babies.
You lost a really good game. It was a physical, tough battle and the refs were letting them play all game. I'll take that over a game where the refs are blowing their whistle over ever little thing. There are still 5 games left. The series ain't over! If we got 5 more games like that and it ends in a Knicks series loss I think we'll look back at this as one of the greatest series ever. If the Knicks lose that, I'll still be very proud of this team and will probably root for the Sixers to get out of the East.
But if you seriously think this is all rigged and the outcomes are pre-determined, then you should just stop watching. Whats the fun in it? I'm being serious. Why would you watch this game and post on a message board if this is really what you believe. What a sad life.
I think YOU need to look in the mirror, be happy that the refs gave the Knicks the game, and move on...instead of starting **** with Sixers fans (and basketball fans in general on this board) who are justifiably frustrated with MULTIPLE ACKNOWEDGED SCREWUPS by the refs that gave the Knicks the game.
That would be the proper move for you (and other Knicks fans).
bebopdeluxe wrote:Scalabrine wrote:eyeatoma wrote:Seems like they're both the same. The outcome is predetermined.
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Gosh you Sixers fans are acting like such little babies.
You lost a really good game. It was a physical, tough battle and the refs were letting them play all game. I'll take that over a game where the refs are blowing their whistle over ever little thing. There are still 5 games left. The series ain't over! If we got 5 more games like that and it ends in a Knicks series loss I think we'll look back at this as one of the greatest series ever. If the Knicks lose that, I'll still be very proud of this team and will probably root for the Sixers to get out of the East.
But if you seriously think this is all rigged and the outcomes are pre-determined, then you should just stop watching. Whats the fun in it? I'm being serious. Why would you watch this game and post on a message board if this is really what you believe. What a sad life.
I think YOU need to look in the mirror, be happy that the refs gave the Knicks the game, and move on...instead of starting **** with Sixers fans (and basketball fans in general on this board) who are justifiably frustrated with MULTIPLE ACKNOWEDGED SCREWUPS by the refs that gave the Knicks the game.
That would be the proper move for you (and other Knicks fans).
iserp wrote:I really don't understand why some of you see Nurse calling a timeout during the inbounds. He is clearly with hands raised, NOT signaling a timeout, watching Lowry inbound, and ready to call timeout if they are in danger of a 5 second violation. Once Lowry inbounds, he lowers his hands.
For the 2nd timeout call, it is arguable if Maxey was in hold of the ball at the moment Nurse calls the timeout, but in any case is a split second, and not reasonable for the officials to call.
LordCovington33 wrote:iserp wrote:I really don't understand why some of you see Nurse calling a timeout during the inbounds. He is clearly with hands raised, NOT signaling a timeout, watching Lowry inbound, and ready to call timeout if they are in danger of a 5 second violation. Once Lowry inbounds, he lowers his hands.
For the 2nd timeout call, it is arguable if Maxey was in hold of the ball at the moment Nurse calls the timeout, but in any case is a split second, and not reasonable for the officials to call.
As a Knicks fan, of course you would think that.
cgf wrote:LordCovington33 wrote:iserp wrote:I really don't understand why some of you see Nurse calling a timeout during the inbounds. He is clearly with hands raised, NOT signaling a timeout, watching Lowry inbound, and ready to call timeout if they are in danger of a 5 second violation. Once Lowry inbounds, he lowers his hands.
For the 2nd timeout call, it is arguable if Maxey was in hold of the ball at the moment Nurse calls the timeout, but in any case is a split second, and not reasonable for the officials to call.
As a Knicks fan, of course you would think that.
We are certainly biased in this, there's no doubt about that. But doesn't it look to you like Nurse was getting ready to call one to avoid a 5-sec violation but didn't want to use his last TO there if he didn't have to? Thus him not completing the T with his hands until the ball is already leaving Lowry's hands, and immediately pulling them apart?
Is that really just our bias? Or does it look that way to you too? Ultimately it doesn't matter too much because the game won't be replayed and the league has released its report. But it's good to know for myself when I'm just homer'ing and when I'm legitimately just seeing something differently than the league office
LordCovington33 wrote:cgf wrote:LordCovington33 wrote:As a Knicks fan, of course you would think that.
We are certainly biased in this, there's no doubt about that. But doesn't it look to you like Nurse was getting ready to call one to avoid a 5-sec violation but didn't want to use his last TO there if he didn't have to? Thus him not completing the T with his hands until the ball is already leaving Lowry's hands, and immediately pulling them apart?
Is that really just our bias? Or does it look that way to you too? Ultimately it doesn't matter too much because the game won't be replayed and the league has released its report. But it's good to know for myself when I'm just homer'ing and when I'm legitimately just seeing something differently than the league office
Read my next reply.
cgf wrote:LordCovington33 wrote:cgf wrote:
We are certainly biased in this, there's no doubt about that. But doesn't it look to you like Nurse was getting ready to call one to avoid a 5-sec violation but didn't want to use his last TO there if he didn't have to? Thus him not completing the T with his hands until the ball is already leaving Lowry's hands, and immediately pulling them apart?
Is that really just our bias? Or does it look that way to you too? Ultimately it doesn't matter too much because the game won't be replayed and the league has released its report. But it's good to know for myself when I'm just homer'ing and when I'm legitimately just seeing something differently than the league office
Read my next reply.
Yeah, I must've quoted you while you were typing that, so I only saw it after I had already posted. That's a very fair and reasonable take that I can't really disagree with...other than that line about kicking our butts
I can understand why refs would have called or not called all the various parts of that sequence, especially with it being late in a playoff game. So didn't feel any of it was too egregious either way...but again, I'm definitely biased lol.
ellobo wrote:eyeatoma wrote:That's the 2nd attempt. The first attempt was during the inbound. The first attempt was ruled that a. Timeout should have been called.ellobo wrote:
The L2M report does NOT say that Nurse should have been granted the timeout. It says exactly the opposite.
This is part of the Correct No Call explanation of Hart stealing the ball from Maxey at 23.7:
According to the report, the timeout was properly not recognized or granted because the Sixers didn't have possession. I don't see how you can spin this into the report saying the timeout should have been granted.
Sure, the report says that the no calls on Brunson grabbing the Maxey's jersey and Hart making contact with Maxey and causing him to fall were incorrect. But saying the report states Nurse should have gotten the timeout is just wrong. You can disagree with the report, but don't misrepresent what it says.
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Nowhere in the L2M report does it say that a timeout should have been granted. The first attempt during the inbound is addressed in the comment on the correct no call ruling on Maxey pushing off on Hart. It says that the attempt to call timeout was not recognized or granted. It never says the timeout SHOULD have been recognized or granted and it is part of a correct no call ruling. An error in not granting a timeout would be an incorrect no call.
Q4 00:27.2 Foul: Offensive Tyrese Maxey Josh Hart CNC Video
Comment: Maxey (PHI) brings his hands towards Hart (NYK) and marginal contact occurs as Maxey releases away from Hart during the inbound. An attempt to call a timeout by Coach Nurse (PHI) during this play is neither recognized nor granted by the officials.
An attempt to call a timeout by Coach Nurse (PHI) during this play is neither recognized nor granted by the officials; the timeout request is simultaneous to Hart making contact with the ball and PHI not having possession.
LordCovington33 wrote:cgf wrote:LordCovington33 wrote:Read my next reply.
Yeah, I must've quoted you while you were typing that, so I only saw it after I had already posted. That's a very fair and reasonable take that I can't really disagree with...other than that line about kicking our butts
I can understand why refs would have called or not called all the various parts of that sequence, especially with it being late in a playoff game. So didn't feel any of it was too egregious either way...but again, I'm definitely biased lol.
I have buddies who are avid Knicks fans and we made the journey together to watch the FIBA World Cup in Asia. We have gone back and forth on that last play. I was furious at the time, but I can see both sides now that the dust has settled.
___Rand___ wrote:ellobo wrote:eyeatoma wrote:That's the 2nd attempt. The first attempt was during the inbound. The first attempt was ruled that a. Timeout should have been called.
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Nowhere in the L2M report does it say that a timeout should have been granted. The first attempt during the inbound is addressed in the comment on the correct no call ruling on Maxey pushing off on Hart. It says that the attempt to call timeout was not recognized or granted. It never says the timeout SHOULD have been recognized or granted and it is part of a correct no call ruling. An error in not granting a timeout would be an incorrect no call.
Here's the language saying the time out should have been granted (yes NBA lingo is not definitive):Q4 00:27.2 Foul: Offensive Tyrese Maxey Josh Hart CNC Video
Comment: Maxey (PHI) brings his hands towards Hart (NYK) and marginal contact occurs as Maxey releases away from Hart during the inbound. An attempt to call a timeout by Coach Nurse (PHI) during this play is neither recognized nor granted by the officials.
Here's the language they use when the time out should NOT be granted:An attempt to call a timeout by Coach Nurse (PHI) during this play is neither recognized nor granted by the officials; the timeout request is simultaneous to Hart making contact with the ball and PHI not having possession.
cgf wrote:___Rand___ wrote:ellobo wrote:
Nowhere in the L2M report does it say that a timeout should have been granted. The first attempt during the inbound is addressed in the comment on the correct no call ruling on Maxey pushing off on Hart. It says that the attempt to call timeout was not recognized or granted. It never says the timeout SHOULD have been recognized or granted and it is part of a correct no call ruling. An error in not granting a timeout would be an incorrect no call.
Here's the language saying the time out should have been granted (yes NBA lingo is not definitive):Q4 00:27.2 Foul: Offensive Tyrese Maxey Josh Hart CNC Video
Comment: Maxey (PHI) brings his hands towards Hart (NYK) and marginal contact occurs as Maxey releases away from Hart during the inbound. An attempt to call a timeout by Coach Nurse (PHI) during this play is neither recognized nor granted by the officials.
Here's the language they use when the time out should NOT be granted:An attempt to call a timeout by Coach Nurse (PHI) during this play is neither recognized nor granted by the officials; the timeout request is simultaneous to Hart making contact with the ball and PHI not having possession.
Is that the jargon they use? Cause it seems pretty vague about whether that first TO should've been recognized or not...especially given that that entire part of the sequence is labeled as a correct no-call (CNC); which could just be referring to the Maxey push off being a correct no-call but could also mean that everything mentioned in the comment was correctly handled.
PS I can't be the only one who has to giggle every time they read CNC on these reports
___Rand___ wrote:cgf wrote:___Rand___ wrote:
Here's the language saying the time out should have been granted (yes NBA lingo is not definitive):
Here's the language they use when the time out should NOT be granted:
Is that the jargon they use? Cause it seems pretty vague about whether that first TO should've been recognized or not...especially given that that entire part of the sequence is labeled as a correct no-call (CNC); which could just be referring to the Maxey push off being a correct no-call but could also mean that everything mentioned in the comment was correctly handled.
PS I can't be the only one who has to giggle every time they read CNC on these reports
Yeah their language is too "officious" or neutral to know clearly if something's wrong or not.
CNC? Damn you kinky mudder. don't know if that discussion is allowed on this board lol. wink wink nudge nudge.
cgf wrote:___Rand___ wrote:cgf wrote:
Is that the jargon they use? Cause it seems pretty vague about whether that first TO should've been recognized or not...especially given that that entire part of the sequence is labeled as a correct no-call (CNC); which could just be referring to the Maxey push off being a correct no-call but could also mean that everything mentioned in the comment was correctly handled.
PS I can't be the only one who has to giggle every time they read CNC on these reports
Yeah their language is too "officious" or neutral to know clearly if something's wrong or not.
CNC? Damn you kinky mudder. don't know if that discussion is allowed on this board lol. wink wink nudge nudge.
It does make it hard not to feel like these reports are more about quelling complaints than anything else when they tend to only acknowledge errors when one team is outraged and the obfuscate everything with unclear wording & formatting, so that the maximal number of people can interpret the reports in the way they want too.
Refs have an impossible job, but I do wish that more big sports leagues had a third party managing the quality of the refs. I'm spoiled as a Bundesliga fan...mistakes still happen, but in general refs are very consistent; even if "star calls" are a thing in every sport...
And lol, what can I say. I'm a very kind & understanding guy who has always appreciated different perspectives and enjoyed satiating the women in my life...but my putita likes what she likes. Plus...how am I not supposed to laugh when I see the words "Tyrese Maxey Josh Hart CNC Video"
___Rand___ wrote:cgf wrote:___Rand___ wrote:
Yeah their language is too "officious" or neutral to know clearly if something's wrong or not.
CNC? Damn you kinky mudder. don't know if that discussion is allowed on this board lol. wink wink nudge nudge.
It does make it hard not to feel like these reports are more about quelling complaints than anything else when they tend to only acknowledge errors when one team is outraged and the obfuscate everything with unclear wording & formatting, so that the maximal number of people can interpret the reports in the way they want too.
Refs have an impossible job, but I do wish that more big sports leagues had a third party managing the quality of the refs. I'm spoiled as a Bundesliga fan...mistakes still happen, but in general refs are very consistent; even if "star calls" are a thing in every sport...
And lol, what can I say. I'm a very kind & understanding guy who has always appreciated different perspectives and enjoyed satiating the women in my life...but my putita likes what she likes. Plus...how am I not supposed to laugh when I see the words "Tyrese Maxey Josh Hart CNC Video"
Well that's just it. It is about quelling complaints. Sometimes the teams just want acknowledgement that refs fudged up and they can move on - also this is about clarification of rules. Otherwise interpretations become a problem.
yea I noticed CNC is hugely popular with young women. Older women never requests this. I'd like to hear your theories on why that is - send me a PM!