Luka on pace to lead the playoffs in Total PTS/REB/AST

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Re: Luka on pace to lead the playoffs in Total PTS/REB/AST 

Post#81 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:12 am

Ok, let's update after G3.

Tatum pulled 2 rebounds closer to Luka in the game for the Total Rebound lead this postseason. Luka now leads by 18.


Defense.

I have to check my other charts but I know that in G1 and G2 the Dallas DRTG was worst when Luka was off the court, and I think Luka had the second best On Court DRTG among starters, behind DJJ.

In G3, same pattern with On Court Team DRTG, but this time the team defense DRTG was at its worst with DJJ and Lively Off Court. Luka was 3rd best in that category among players with 10+ minutes.

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Post#82 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:47 am

Now let's look at the total data for G1 to G3.


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* The only Mavs player who is averaging 10+ mpg who has a better On Court DRTG than Luka is Lively

* Dallas' defense is at its worst with Luka Off Court

* Dallas collapses with Luka Off Court (NRTG)

* Luka has the best NRTG on the team for any player playing 10+ mpg
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Post#83 » by Handlez » Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:48 am

HotRocks34 wrote:Now let's look at the total data for G1 to G3.


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* The only Mavs player who is averaging 10+ mpg who has a better On Court DRTG than Luka is Lively

* Dallas' defense is at its worst with Luka Off Court

* Dallas collapses with Luka Off Court (NRTG)

* Luka has the best NRTG on the team for any player playing 10+ mpg


Damn Luka really is the GOAT.
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Post#84 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:51 am

Handlez wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Now let's look at the total data for G1 to G3.


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* The only Mavs player who is averaging 10+ mpg who has a better On Court DRTG than Luka is Lively

* Dallas' defense is at its worst with Luka Off Court

* Dallas collapses with Luka Off Court (NRTG)

* Luka has the best NRTG on the team for any player playing 10+ mpg


Damn Luka really is the GOAT.



We will continue to lay out the facts. 8-)
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Re: Luka on pace to lead the playoffs in Total PTS/REB/AST 

Post#85 » by JJtheBricklayer » Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:59 am

Luka is also leading the league in "dumbest plays attempted while having 5 fouls in a must win finals game"

add that to the list
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Post#86 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:00 am

Two other observations about Luka's positive effect on Dallas' defense:

* He seems to fit well with Dallas' "pack the paint" scheme. If Luka gets beat by his man he can still funnel him to a clogged lane with a shot blocker. This often results in a kick out and Luka is good at picking off some of the kick outs and he's long enough and smart enough to get back and defend vs threes when the kick out comes.

* Good offense = good defense. Dallas isn't great at transition defense so quality shots are important so as to be able to reset the defense, hopefully after a made bucket. Luka certainly has his share of TO's but he's also expert at helping the team get good looks. This, in turn, props up the defense.
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Post#87 » by Handlez » Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:08 am

HotRocks34 wrote:
Handlez wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:Now let's look at the total data for G1 to G3.


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* The only Mavs player who is averaging 10+ mpg who has a better On Court DRTG than Luka is Lively

* Dallas' defense is at its worst with Luka Off Court

* Dallas collapses with Luka Off Court (NRTG)

* Luka has the best NRTG on the team for any player playing 10+ mpg


Damn Luka really is the GOAT.



We will continue to lay out the facts. 8-)


My man. :nod:

You are now called the "narrative destroyer."

Luka haters scrambling like eggs on a Saturday morning. :lol:
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Post#88 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:11 am

Handlez wrote:
My man. :nod:

You are now called the "narrative destroyer."

Luka haters scrambling like eggs on a Saturday morning. :lol:



Easy work. We got this.
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Post#89 » by ILOVEIT » Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:14 am

0-3 tells you important that is.

Not a Luka hater...just think dribble dribble dribble ISO ball is boring and ugly to watch.
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Post#90 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 5:17 am

ILOVEIT wrote:0-3 tells you important that is.

Not a Luka hater...just think dribble dribble dribble ISO ball is boring and ugly to watch.


0-3 means nothing. Jokic had the same accomplishment last year and he has a ring.

Greatness is greatness, regardless of personal feelings.
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Post#91 » by Aiolos » Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:14 am

HotRocks34 wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:0-3 tells you important that is.

Not a Luka hater...just think dribble dribble dribble ISO ball is boring and ugly to watch.


0-3 means nothing. Jokic had the same accomplishment last year and he has a ring.

Greatness is greatness, regardless of personal feelings.

No matter how hard you try because you might be the only one that is going really hard trying to prove Luka is not a bad defensive player most people will forever imo remember this Finals as showing that Luka Doncic had in their minds the worst or one of the worst defensive showings in Finals history.

My take I definitely think in a specific context Luka definitely has serious defensive problems that I think he can fix. I dont think like some think the Mavs are down 0 - 3 in the series solely for his defense, imo its one component of the reason not the whole reason.
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Post#92 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:17 am

Aiolos wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:
ILOVEIT wrote:0-3 tells you important that is.

Not a Luka hater...just think dribble dribble dribble ISO ball is boring and ugly to watch.


0-3 means nothing. Jokic had the same accomplishment last year and he has a ring.

Greatness is greatness, regardless of personal feelings.

No matter how hard you try because you might be the only one that is going really hard trying to prove Luka is not a bad defensive player most people will forever imo remember this Finals as showing that Luka Doncic had in their minds the worst or one of the worst defensive showings in Finals history.

My take I definitely think in a specific context Luka definitely has serious defensive problems that I think he can fix. I dont think like some think the Mavs are down 0 - 3 in the series solely for his defense, imo its one component of the reason not the whole reason.



It doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks.

The data is the data and there are plenty of clips to back it up.
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Post#93 » by Aiolos » Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:21 am

HotRocks34 wrote:
Aiolos wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:
0-3 means nothing. Jokic had the same accomplishment last year and he has a ring.

Greatness is greatness, regardless of personal feelings.

No matter how hard you try because you might be the only one that is going really hard trying to prove Luka is not a bad defensive player most people will forever imo remember this Finals as showing that Luka Doncic had in their minds the worst or one of the worst defensive showings in Finals history.

My take I definitely think in a specific context Luka definitely has serious defensive problems that I think he can fix. I dont think like some think the Mavs are down 0 - 3 in the series solely for his defense, imo its one component of the reason not the whole reason.



It doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks.

The data is the data and there are plenty of clips to back it up.


I think it does matter what me and others think otherwise you would imo not be going this hard trying to disprove and defend Luka as it pertains to this subject.

It looks like its personal to you.
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Post#94 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:27 am

Aiolos wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:
Aiolos wrote:No matter how hard you try because you might be the only one that is going really hard trying to prove Luka is not a bad defensive player most people will forever imo remember this Finals as showing that Luka Doncic had in their minds the worst or one of the worst defensive showings in Finals history.

My take I definitely think in a specific context Luka definitely has serious defensive problems that I think he can fix. I dont think like some think the Mavs are down 0 - 3 in the series solely for his defense, imo its one component of the reason not the whole reason.



It doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks.

The data is the data and there are plenty of clips to back it up.


I think it does matter what me and others think otherwise you would imo not be going this hard trying to disprove and defend Luka as it pertains to this subject.

It looks like its personal to you.


What's personal to me are facts.

And I got them.
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Post#95 » by Aiolos » Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:36 am

HotRocks34 wrote:
Aiolos wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:

It doesn't matter what you or anyone else thinks.

The data is the data and there are plenty of clips to back it up.


I think it does matter what me and others think otherwise you would imo not be going this hard trying to disprove and defend Luka as it pertains to this subject.

It looks like its personal to you.


What's personal to me are facts.

And I got them.


So 2 simple questions then, with all your data do you believe that in no such situation or context or abstract or universe does Luka have any issue whatsoever in the way he plays defense? Do you believe Luka has defensive lapses no more no less then any other decent defender in the league?
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Post#96 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 6:39 am

Aiolos wrote:
HotRocks34 wrote:
Aiolos wrote:
I think it does matter what me and others think otherwise you would imo not be going this hard trying to disprove and defend Luka as it pertains to this subject.

It looks like its personal to you.


What's personal to me are facts.

And I got them.


So 2 simple questions then, with all your data do you believe that in no such situation or context or abstract or universe does Luka have any issue whatsoever in the way he plays defense? Do you believe Luka has defensive lapses no more no less then any other decent defender in the league?



This is a summary of how I think Luka fits in with Dallas' defense:

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There's more but that is an overview.
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Post#97 » by Impuniti » Thu Jun 13, 2024 10:37 am

I hope my future wife loves me as much as HotRocks loves Luka and my future kids admire me as much as Hotrocks admires Luka.
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Post#98 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:41 am

Ok, here's the BBREF individual DRTG stats through G3.

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So, putting together the data through G3:

* Luka has the best individual DRTG among all Mavs players in The Finals

* Luka has the second-best On Court Team DRTG (Lively) for any Mavs player averaging at least 10 mpg in the series

* Dallas' Team DRTG is at its worst with Luka Off Court


In addition to these strong defensive stats, Luka leads The Finals in Total Points, Rebounds and Steals and is second in Total Assists.

On the downside, he leads in Total Turnovers.
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Post#99 » by jg77 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:47 am

Impuniti wrote:I hope my future wife loves me as much as HotRocks loves Luka and my future kids admire me as much as Hotrocks admires Luka.


IIRC he was a LeBron defender as well. I'm guessing he went from LeBron > Luka
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Post#100 » by HotRocks34 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:56 am

Luka had a very strong On/Off game in G3 because I think his playoff On/Off after G2 was at like +6.7 or so. Big jump.



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