Evan Mobley signs 5 year $224 million contract with the Cavs

[JujitsuFlip]

My stab at a decision tree.

Decision Tree for Offering a Rookie Max Extension

1. Evaluate Player Performance and Potential
- Assess player's statistics and game impact
- Review accolades such as All-Star appearances, awards, etc.
- Project growth trajectory

2. Assess Health and Durability
- Review player's injury history
- Evaluate player's physical condition and durability

3. Consider Team Fit and Needs
- Determine player's compatibility with team's core
- Assess player's role in the team's strategy
- Evaluate the importance of the player to the team's future plans

4. Analyze Market Value and Comparisons
- Compare with similar players' contracts
- Examine current market trends
- Project future salary cap increases

5. Evaluate Financial Implications
- Analyze impact on team’s salary cap
- Consider potential luxury tax penalties
- Fit of the contract into long-term financial strategy

6. Determine Contract Structure
- Decide on potential incentives and options
- Consider performance-based incentives
- Evaluate trade kickers and other clauses

7. Conduct Risk Assessment
- Assess worst-case scenarios (e.g., player not developing as expected)
- Consider significant injury risks

8. Seek Ownership and Stakeholder Approval
- Present the decision to team ownership
- Align with key stakeholders on the investment
- Ensure all parties agree on the implications for the team’s future

Decision:
- Offer Rookie Max Extension
- Do Not Offer Rookie Max Extension

My stab:

1) Consider what the player might bring your franchise if he continues to improve.
2) Consider the risk of what you might lose if you piss him and his agent off.
3) Consider what you can trade him for if you max him and then decide to move him.

Decision:
- Not much of one.

If he was a free agent next season, other teams would've lined up to offer him the max. After watching him against Orlando in the playoffs, I think his best position is center.

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Center for sure is Mobley's best position now and going forwad. However, Kenny is going to try to use him in the Draymond role this coming season. That way they can keep Allen in the Bogut/Zaza/Ezeli/McGee/Looney/WCS/Wiseman role.

[Ballerhogger]

The issue is Mitchell's playing style. He's heliocentric without the talent nor the size.

True but he just signed max so he’s not going anywhere . Plus garland and trea backcourt doesn’t work

For sure. I just want Evan out of there.

Agree send him to Lal

[Bakomagic]

Whenever I want to read posts about Scottie Barnes, I search for threads about Franz, Mobley, Cade and Jalen Green.

[One_and_Done]

A discount relative to Barnes.

Well, that is one dumb post. Its the exact same contract.

Yeh, and I'd rather Mobley than say Barnes or Wagner, so it's a good deal.

[SOUL]

All these deals are relative risks but also just the scope of the NBA right now. Smaller market teams are going to pay their young, promising players.

Will Franz shot get back to where it was?
Will Mobley have a dependable offensive repertoire?
Can Barnes be a (dependable) first option?
Cade being a bit of an injury risk and not great defense, etc

[Rustyman]

My take on it is quite simple. His peers in the same draft have gotten the same deal and they are not proven to be significantly superior to him or even at all.

The deal is simply market value and for a team like the Cavs who have to overpay for free agents, is the best thing they could do in the circumstances.

[canada_dry]

All these deals are relative risks but also just the scope of the NBA right now. Smaller market teams are going to pay their young, promising players.

Will Franz shot get back to where it was?
Will Mobley have a dependable offensive repertoire?
Can Barnes be a (dependable) first option?
Cade being a bit of an injury risk and not great defense, etc

Yep. That's always how ive seen it, and predicted more max extensions after rhe barnes one while many were up in arms about that one originally. Some still kinda are...

Welcome to the new NBA.

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[JonFromVA]

these players got max from their teams because their teams truly believe that these players are max level players and 1 or more other teams would have also given these players max in open market.

Look what happened with Van Vleet last season just because Houston had to spend money?

If free agency worked for teams like Cleveland, Toronto, Detroit, Orlando, etc, they might look at this as simply a dollars .vs. talent situation, but they can't. A successful team needs high-end talent, and there are limited ways to add that to a roster. Overpaying is a no brainer.

you are missing the context. We are only talking about the players from a draft class who are now eligible to sign their first contract after being drafted and play 3 seasons.

Not at all, but a player doesn't have to be a UFA in order to change teams in this day and age. The Cavs moved Collin Sexton to a team willing to pay him more than they were last year, and they're going through that process with Isaac Okoro right now. If they didn't want to max out Mobley, they'd probably be doing the same thing with him.

When we consider Hartenstein just signed for $29M per season, paying Mobley 33% more than that starts to sound like chump change.

[JonFromVA]

We don't know what the league thinks ... it's not an open market where every team is free to bid what they want on these players.

What we do know is that in this age of player empowerment the cost of "disrespecting" a valued young player is much scarier than just paying him more than you might want.

these players got max from their teams because their teams truly believe that these players are max level players and 1 or more other teams would have also given these players max in open market.

Yeah I think that’s mostly right, and the teams also want to lock them up to keep their team direction and strategy clear for everyone involved so they can plan around it. (coaches, FO, other players who might come in). So I think Jon is off here—no player has ever left a team that really wanted to keep him in RFA and I don’t think teams really fear that or agents threats about it (if those happen). There’s also no reason for a guy who might get a max to sign an early extension if it’s not for a max too, I think that’s a factor. Teams get to have their core locked in and players get to know they got all they could, both sides can stop having to focus on negotiations and can settle into being together for years.

RFA is complicated. Often times opponents won't even bother making an offer if they know it will be matched, and if the player in questions wants to get moved they won't accept an offer they expect will be matched. And many of these guys are getting paid based on faith and good will well in advance of RFA.

If the risks were literally zero like you suggest, we'd see a lot more team's stringing out their free agents and forcing them to either accept a cheap deal, take the QO, or find another team with cap space to make them a better offer.

[Karate Diop]

It's a pretty jarring number but not unexpected... That's just the market right now.

I'm a Mobley fan but he's got some development to do in order to live up to that deal.

[Johnny Bball]

A discount relative to Barnes.

Well, that is one dumb post. Its the exact same contract.

Yeh, and I'd rather Mobley than say Barnes or Wagner, so it's a good deal.

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That fixes it how exactly.

[One_and_Done]

Well, that is one dumb post. Its the exact same contract.

Yeh, and I'd rather Mobley than say Barnes or Wagner, so it's a good deal.

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That fixes it how exactly.

Value is relative.

[JJ_PR]

I don't get the controversy. Mobley is a max player on potential alone. What he brings to the table right now is icing on the cake.

[doogie_hauser]

If the Cavs didn't sign Mobley to a mass extension. you can be sure as hell the Knicks and Heat (and other potential contenders) would have come calling next year.

The Cavs did what they had to for their franchise.
Healthy, talented centres with defensive prowess are not very common.

[doogie_hauser]

It's a pretty jarring number but not unexpected... That's just the market right now.

I'm a Mobley fan but he's got some development to do in order to live up to that deal.

People said that about Jaylen Brown after he signed his extension last year.

Cavs are trying to build a championship contender around Spida and Mobley is an important piece if that.

[naabzor]

That's an overpay.

[mowcrowbar]

A discount relative to Barnes.

Well, that is one dumb post. Its the exact same contract.

Yeh, and I'd rather Mobley than say Barnes or Wagner, so it's a good deal.

Another dumb post. You're on a roll.

[durden_tyler]

Being that they are Cleveland, where no free agent will want to go, of course they need to extend their current good players (forget if they have star potential for now, they just hope he has it) like Mitchell and now, Mobley.

Difficult to create a contender if you're a small market franchise unfortunately. Sure they might be in mediocrity for the next 2-3 years (about 4-5 teams way better than them, short and long-term) but hey, they'll try to compete...

[garrick]

And some Suns fans thought Ayton at 36M was overpaid lol

[axeman23]

Trading garland for trea wouldn’t be good idea though

The issue is Mitchell's playing style. He's heliocentric without the talent nor the size.

True but he just signed max so he’s not going anywhere . Plus garland and trea backcourt doesn’t work

Trae and Mitchell backcourt doesn't work any better, and is probably worse...