Do you consider Jordans Bulls a Super Team?

[Iwasawitness]

I'm gonna say no. Rodman was in his mid-30s and past his prime when he joined Chicago. And dude was a shell of his former self in 1998.

He still won the rebounding title that year, his 7th consecutive. Either he wasn't a shell of his former self or it just shows how bad the league really was at the time.

He also still made first team all defense and even managed to get FMVP votes.

[bledredwine]

No.

I believe super teams must have 3+ All Stars or All NBA players. Jordan only had Pippen (and Rodman for a bit).

Bingo.

Calling them superteams is a coverup coming straight from lebron fans, plain and simple.

[DimesandKnicks]

I don’t think I consider the first 3 peat Bulls a super team, but the second definitely. That’s not to say Jordan didn’t have a talent advantage in the first 3 peat. What if Ewing had Drexler or Dominique instead of Starks in 92 and 93? Jordan probably has two less titles.

The first three peat team without Jordan took the eventual conference champs to seven games without Jordan. They also technically had three all-stars that year. That was definitely a super team

[DimesandKnicks]

Freaking HOF Kukoc came off the bench. That team was something else.

And Ron Harper a year after being a first option scoring 20 ppg with the Clippers

[Wingy]

This is all retrofitting the Wade/Lebron/Bosh Heatles “super team” term on to the past in order to uplift and soften the shortcomings of a certain ghost chaser who still couldn’t catch the ghost.

No one regularly called the past teams, not just the Bulls, a super team during their actual active reign.

The Heat’s player empowerment move was what made the term ubiquitous and part of the common basketball fan vernacular.

[DimesandKnicks]

No. They're not even close to Lebrons superteams in terms of superteamness. MJ simply isn't a good enough a GM to create a superteam, just look at his work with the Hornets.

However. MJ was just that good on court that he overcame his crap GMing by still delivering superteam results.

MJ overcame his crap gming . They drafted Jordan Pippen and pulled Kukoc at a time when euro's weren't really a thing. C'mon man. He's a HOF GM

[Wingy]

Freaking HOF Kukoc came off the bench. That team was something else.

And Ron Harper a year after being a first option scoring 20 ppg with the Clippers

Ron shot under 43% from the field, had a .496 TS% and played 38mpg to get those 20 points on a 27 win team.

[NoStatsGuy]

Not in the sense we understand it.

for me a superteam is assembling a team of well established (super)stars. like Miami, Boston, GSW+KD, etc.

Outside of MJ and Pippen i dont see how any of those Bulls teams were THAT topheavy. Yea, Rodman and Kukoc were solid teammates. Grant was solid, but was he Chris Bosh level?.

They were very good teams but talentwise i dont think they are close to any of the three prime examples for a super team from the modern era (heatles, KG+Allen Celtics, KD Warriors). The Bulls were comparable to the Pau-Lakers imo

[MavsDirk41]

I don’t think I consider the first 3 peat Bulls a super team, but the second definitely. That’s not to say Jordan didn’t have a talent advantage in the first 3 peat. What if Ewing had Drexler or Dominique instead of Starks in 92 and 93? Jordan probably has two less titles.

The first three peat team without Jordan took the eventual conference champs to seven games without Jordan. They also technically had three all-stars that year. That was definitely a super team

Who was the 3rd all star? Technically an all star lol? Either you are or your not lol

[Ice Man]

This is all retrofitting the Wade/Lebron/Bosh Heatles “super team” term on to the past in order to uplift and soften the shortcomings of a certain ghost chaser who still couldn’t catch the ghost.

No one regularly called the past teams, not just the Bulls, a super team during their actual active reign.

The Heat’s player empowerment move was what made the term ubiquitous and part of the common basketball fan vernacular.

Exactly. The term "super team" was invented for the 2011 Miami Heat, to describe a superstar team that was artificially constructed, by signing superstar FAs and/or acquiring them because they demanded a trade. That term could accurately be retrofitted for the Kobe/Shaq Lakers, but it doesn't apply to any team before then (except maybe the late Nineties Rockets, but they sucked). The Magic/Kareem or Bird/McHale/Parish squads weren't super teams; they were teams that were assembled naturally, without major FA signings or trade requests. Ditto for the Bulls.

Now, if somebody wants to invent another term besides "super team" to describe a great team that was put together organically, be my guest. The '96 through '98 Bulls would then qualify. (Not the '91 through '93 Bulls, though.)( But a super team they were not.

[MavsDirk41]

Freaking HOF Kukoc came off the bench. That team was something else.

And Ron Harper a year after being a first option scoring 20 ppg with the Clippers

Season before the Bulls Ron Harper averaged 20 points per game on 18 field goal attempts per game on 42/30/71 shooting splits with a 49%TS and averaged over 3 turnovers per game. So that dude makes a team a superteam?

[Ugly0598]

Not really a superteam, no.

[DimesandKnicks]

Freaking HOF Kukoc came off the bench. That team was something else.

And Ron Harper a year after being a first option scoring 20 ppg with the Clippers

Ron shot under 43% from the field, had a .496 TS% and played 38mpg to get those 20 points on a 27 win team.

Sir; he was the Bulls seventh leading scorer and third best perimeter defender

[DimesandKnicks]

I don’t think I consider the first 3 peat Bulls a super team, but the second definitely. That’s not to say Jordan didn’t have a talent advantage in the first 3 peat. What if Ewing had Drexler or Dominique instead of Starks in 92 and 93? Jordan probably has two less titles.

The first three peat team without Jordan took the eventual conference champs to seven games without Jordan. They also technically had three all-stars that year. That was definitely a super team

Who was the 3rd all star? Technically an all star lol? Either you are or your not lol

BJ Armstrong

[DimesandKnicks]

Freaking HOF Kukoc came off the bench. That team was something else.

And Ron Harper a year after being a first option scoring 20 ppg with the Clippers

Season before the Bulls Ron Harper averaged 20 points per game on 18 field goal attempts per game on 42/30/71 shooting splits with a 49%TS and averaged over 3 turnovers per game. So that dude makes a team a superteam?

Same response to the other poster:

Sir; he was the Bulls seventh leading scorer and their third best perimeter defender.

Idk what you guys get from undermining that Bulls organization, outside of it makes Lebron vs Jordan arguments more fragile.

[MavsDirk41]

The first three peat team without Jordan took the eventual conference champs to seven games without Jordan. They also technically had three all-stars that year. That was definitely a super team

Who was the 3rd all star? Technically an all star lol? Either you are or your not lol

BJ Armstrong

What????? So BJ Armstrong made the Bulls a superteam? Are you old enough to have watched those Bulls teams?

[JoseRizal]

No, they're not.

They were well-managed and well-coached. The chemistry is off the charts.

The first 3-peat was built organically, and the next, while adding a troubled, unconventional Rodman to replace Grant, is still primarily composed of drafted players and some smart offseason signings.

With how competitive Jordan was, I don't think he's the type who would team-up with his rival superstars to form his own version of super friends.

[MavsDirk41]

And Ron Harper a year after being a first option scoring 20 ppg with the Clippers

Season before the Bulls Ron Harper averaged 20 points per game on 18 field goal attempts per game on 42/30/71 shooting splits with a 49%TS and averaged over 3 turnovers per game. So that dude makes a team a superteam?

Same response to the other poster:

Sir; he was the Bulls seventh leading scorer and their third best perimeter defender.

Idk what you guys get from undermining that Bulls organization, outside of it makes Lebron vs Jordan arguments more fragile.

Ron Harper was still a very good defender at that point in his career but that is all he brought to the table. With him, Jordan, Pippen, and Rodman they could switch and cover ground. Defensive nightmare. But he was a poor 3 point shooter, wasnt a good passer and he was their 4th or 5th option offensively. Trying to say the Bulls were a superteam because of Ron Harper is embarrassing. Im not undermining the Bulls im speaking facts. The entire premises of this thread is “Well James had superteams but so did Jordan” from guys like you.

[jkvonny]

Somebody said BJ Armstrong

[durden_tyler]

This is all retrofitting the Wade/Lebron/Bosh Heatles “super team” term on to the past in order to uplift and soften the shortcomings of a certain ghost chaser who still couldn’t catch the ghost.

No one regularly called the past teams, not just the Bulls, a super team during their actual active reign.

The Heat’s player empowerment move was what made the term ubiquitous and part of the common basketball fan vernacular.

Exactly. The term "super team" was invented for the 2011 Miami Heat, to describe a superstar team that was artificially constructed, by signing superstar FAs and/or acquiring them because they demanded a trade. That term could accurately be retrofitted for the Kobe/Shaq Lakers, but it doesn't apply to any team before then (except maybe the late Nineties Rockets, but they sucked). The Magic/Kareem or Bird/McHale/Parish squads weren't super teams; they were teams that were assembled naturally, without major FA signings or trade requests. Ditto for the Bulls.

Now, if somebody wants to invent another term besides "super team" to describe a great team that was put together organically, be my guest. The '96 through '98 Bulls would then qualify. (Not the '91 through '93 Bulls, though.)( But a super team they were not.

LeBron’s legacy has to be protected at all costs. Unfortunately for him, NBA historians has the receipts— mainly written in Miami Heat blood red and co-signed by best buds and superstars Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk