[Shams] Norman Powell to Miami, John Collins to Clippers

[Chuck Everett]

Who do you think is better, Powell or Herro? I feel they are both similar caliber SGs.

They're basically the same player. Herro isn't as physically strong nor athletic though, so he can be relentlessly hunted come playoff time.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Who do you think is better, Powell or Herro? I feel they are both similar caliber SGs.

Herro is definitely better and more well rounded. But offensively besides playmaking they are pretty similar. Herro is a more big game player, much better playmaker.

Tyler Herro is not better than Norman Powell

lol. He really is. Scoring profile last year was similar but does Herro constantly drive 3 vs 1 and dribble the ball off his own leg for turnovers or constantly not even see guys camped on the 3 point line? If so.. then you’ll have twins

[Tor_Raps]

Miami fleeced. Utah saved money and loading up the tank. Beal can barely move so if this is the Clippers plan to replace him with Powell it’s such a downgrade. However they def upgraded their front court which has been lacking behind Zubac for years. I think everyone got what they wanted.

Miami- Really good player for nothing
Jazz- Tank
Clippers- Size

Powell was awesome the first half of the season. We cannot downplay it. But the second half of the season when they ended 18-3 he was ****. The problem with guards like Powell is when they aren’t on offensively they do nothing to help and a lot to hurt you.

Same in the playoffs. What will happen is with or without CP3 or Beal, those minutes will be absorbed by Dunn, DJ, Bogdan and young players like Christie/Flowers etc. Those players won’t give you 22 ppg but they also defend, rebound, pass, don’t turn the ball over like Powell.

So similar to PG the late season version of Powell actually ends up being addition by subtraction. The early season Powell it’s a moderate loss.

This only works if Kawhi is 100% healthy for the entire regular season. You need guys like Powell to pick up the slack in those situations.

Clippers must be getting Beal and if that happens, this would be a home run move for them. If not, theyre taking a massive risk considering Kawhi remaining healthy for a full season has almost a 0% chance of happening lol.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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Hmm. Beal and CP3. Clips may be historically old.

[GeorgeMarcus]

Who do you think is better, Powell or Herro? I feel they are both similar caliber SGs.

Herro is definitely better and more well rounded. But offensively besides playmaking they are pretty similar. Herro is a more big game player, much better playmaker.

Tyler Herro is not better than Norman Powell

You might be overrating Norm a bit. At best he and Herro are same level

[OkcSinceSGA]

Miami fleeced. Utah saved money and loading up the tank. Beal can barely move so if this is the Clippers plan to replace him with Powell it’s such a downgrade. However they def upgraded their front court which has been lacking behind Zubac for years. I think everyone got what they wanted.

Miami- Really good player for nothing
Jazz- Tank
Clippers- Size

Powell was awesome the first half of the season. We cannot downplay it. But the second half of the season when they ended 18-3 he was ****. The problem with guards like Powell is when they aren’t on offensively they do nothing to help and a lot to hurt you.

Same in the playoffs. What will happen is with or without CP3 or Beal, those minutes will be absorbed by Dunn, DJ, Bogdan and young players like Christie/Flowers etc. Those players won’t give you 22 ppg but they also defend, rebound, pass, don’t turn the ball over like Powell.

So similar to PG the late season version of Powell actually ends up being addition by subtraction. The early season Powell it’s a moderate loss.

This only works if Kawhi is 100% healthy for the entire regular season. You need guys like Powell to pick up the slack in those situations.

Clippers must be getting Beal and if that happens, this would be a home run move for them. If not, theyre taking a massive risk considering Kawhi remaining healthy for a full season has almost a 0% chance of happening lol.

Maybe it’s speculation, but I don’t think they do this move without reassurances from Beal or CP3. Lots of writers now saying Beal to LAC is looking likely

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[Tor_Raps]

Powell was awesome the first half of the season. We cannot downplay it. But the second half of the season when they ended 18-3 he was ****. The problem with guards like Powell is when they aren’t on offensively they do nothing to help and a lot to hurt you.

Same in the playoffs. What will happen is with or without CP3 or Beal, those minutes will be absorbed by Dunn, DJ, Bogdan and young players like Christie/Flowers etc. Those players won’t give you 22 ppg but they also defend, rebound, pass, don’t turn the ball over like Powell.

So similar to PG the late season version of Powell actually ends up being addition by subtraction. The early season Powell it’s a moderate loss.

This only works if Kawhi is 100% healthy for the entire regular season. You need guys like Powell to pick up the slack in those situations.

Clippers must be getting Beal and if that happens, this would be a home run move for them. If not, theyre taking a massive risk considering Kawhi remaining healthy for a full season has almost a 0% chance of happening lol.

Maybe it’s speculation, but I don’t think they do this move without reassurances from Beal or CP3. Lots of writers now saying Beal to LAC is looking likely

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Totally agree... I think the Clippers wanted this deal to happen ASAP to secure Beal. No way he goes there if Norm was still on the roster. Clippers would have gotten a lot better this offseason if they are able to land him.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Danny Ainge turned Collin Sexton, Jordan Clarkson and John Collins into:

- Jusuf Nurkic
- Kyle Anderson
- Kevin Love

[OkcSinceSGA]

This only works if Kawhi is 100% healthy for the entire regular season. You need guys like Powell to pick up the slack in those situations.

Clippers must be getting Beal and if that happens, this would be a home run move for them. If not, theyre taking a massive risk considering Kawhi remaining healthy for a full season has almost a 0% chance of happening lol.

Maybe it’s speculation, but I don’t think they do this move without reassurances from Beal or CP3. Lots of writers now saying Beal to LAC is looking likely

Read on Twitter

Totally agree... I think the Clippers wanted this deal to happen ASAP to secure Beal. No way he goes there if Norm was still on the roster. Clippers would have gotten a lot better this offseason if they are able to land him.

Agreed. I especially want them to grab CP3 for a “last dance” retirement year. It would be a feel good story. He’s already made peace with Ballmer. With the league being as open as it is right now before OKC/Spurs truly lock it down I feel like we have 1-2 years left maybe of a surprise champ scenario with good luck.

[Saints14]

I get this move for the Clippers. Collins gives them the more double-big looks that are becoming more common again, and fits especially well next to Brook Lopez. The way Collins gets talked about sometimes you'd think he was washed, but he's 4 years younger than Powell and averaged 19/8/2 with a .628 TS% last year and a positive BPM on a terrible team. When he was drafted he was always kind of a PF/C tweener, but with the league going bigger again he's a much better fit at PF now next to guys like Zubac and Lopez. He could have a nice year for a decent team

[Tor_Raps]

Danny Ainge turned Collin Sexton, Jordan Clarkson and John Collins into:

- Jusuf Nurkic
- Kyle Anderson
- Kevin Love

Ainge broke up a 60 win team in the west to do what exactly? He should have went all in to upgrade their previous Mitchell/Gobert roster than do whatever the hell is happening in Utah right now. They are 2 tanks away from being 2 tanks away in terms of relevancy lol

[Chuck Everett]

Danny Ainge turned Collin Sexton, Jordan Clarkson and John Collins into:

- Jusuf Nurkic
- Kyle Anderson
- Kevin Love

Ainge broke up a 60 win team in the west to do what exactly? He should have went all in to upgrade their previous Mitchell/Gobert roster than do whatever the hell is happening in Utah right now. They are 2 tanks away from being 2 tanks away in terms of relevancy lol

Jazz fans don't seem too miffed over it. This could end up being a 7+ year rebuild.

[deepeeenn]

On the surface this seems like a bad trade for everyone but John Collins.

Money wise:
MIA adds $7.1M salary for the year but gets an expiring and saves money from SLO MO’s 2nd year. Clears $9.6M for 26-27
LAC adds $6M salary, expiring for expiring
UTA drops $13M in salary for the year but adds $9.6M salary to 26-27

[Tor_Raps]

Maybe it’s speculation, but I don’t think they do this move without reassurances from Beal or CP3. Lots of writers now saying Beal to LAC is looking likely

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Totally agree... I think the Clippers wanted this deal to happen ASAP to secure Beal. No way he goes there if Norm was still on the roster. Clippers would have gotten a lot better this offseason if they are able to land him.

Agreed. I especially want them to grab CP3 for a “last dance” retirement year. It would be a feel good story. He’s already made peace with Ballmer. With the league being as open as it is right now before OKC/Spurs truly lock it down I feel like we have 1-2 years left maybe of a surprise champ scenario with good luck.

Harden/Beal/CP (at this age) is a disaster defensively. While its a great feel good story, you need Dunn/DJJ eating some of those minutes.

[WestbrookGOATed]

What are the Clippers doing?

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I thought the same about the Heat. They got Powell for peanuts, but why? Why does Riley refuse to just blow it up and get it over with lol

[WestbrookGOATed]

What are the Clippers doing?

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I thought the same about the Heat. They got Powell for peanuts, but why? Why does Riley refuse to just blow it up and get it over with lol

[BBallFreak]

On the surface this seems like a bad trade for everyone but John Collins.

Money wise:
MIA adds $7.1M salary for the year but gets an expiring and saves money from SLO MO’s 2nd year. Clears $9.6M for 26-27
LAC adds $6M salary, expiring for expiring
UTA drops $13M in salary for the year but adds $9.6M salary to 26-27

I guarantee you, Miami has more going on, too. I love this for them. Powell really fits what they do; efficient scorer who plays defense. Trade Wiggins for Rui and Knecht with someone else taking Vincent or Kleber and Miami is in business.

Pg: Herro / Mitchell
Sg: Powell / Larsson
Sf: Highsmith / JJJ
Pf: Bam / Jovic
C: Ware / Hachimura

You gotta like that.

Or keep Wiggins and have 4 starters who can give you 20 on any given night...

[Crazy-Canuck]

Herro is definitely better and more well rounded. But offensively besides playmaking they are pretty similar. Herro is a more big game player, much better playmaker.

Tyler Herro is not better than Norman Powell

lol. He really is. Scoring profile last year was similar but does Herro constantly drive 3 vs 1 and dribble the ball off his own leg for turnovers or constantly not even see guys camped on the 3 point line? If so.. then you’ll have twins

They are the same except Powell is better defensively (not saying he's good, but at least better than herro) and herro likely will be paid alot more.

[Bloodbather]

What are the Clippers doing?

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I thought the same about the Heat. They got Powell for peanuts, but why? Why does Riley refuse to just blow it up and get it over with lol

He's holding out for a potential Giannis trade.

Meanwhile, we're trying to develop the younger players and see if we can pull another cinderella run in a wide open East.

The team is actually really solid now with this Powell move. Gives us a more reliable scorer when Herro inevitably **** the bed in the PS. If Ware takes a big step forward it's a potential sleeper.

I'd still keep the options open through the season though. Can get some picks for Herro and Wiggins. Could also flip Powell somewhere.

[clippertown]

Clippers desperately needed to fill the PF role with somebody who has real size and rebounding ability, while also being a threat from outside. Having Kawhi being forced to play the PF role makes him undersized instead of oversized when he plays the wing. This makes a big difference.

Powell was always going to be a player that was used to get more size in the frontcourt. That is one of the reasons the Clippers picked up Bogi when they were already loaded at the guard position. Powell is an amazing player that thrives as the primary offensive option but goes invisible when he is not scoring much. With Harden and Kawhi on the team, those shots need to go to better offensive players.

Great trade for the Clippers. They solve their frontcourt issues, don't add any salary to 27/28, open a spot for Bradley Beal to start which will be important if he is going to take a pay-cut and does not shut the door to a CP3 reunion. They got their guy for cheap - nice work.