It was a nice run, Jokic

[hardenASG13]

That Fox trade and subsequent extension was so dumb in retrospect. What can they get for him?

Bad timing, no one expected at that time that Wemby will be out and they'll get a great prospect in Harper with #2 pick. But they didn't invest in Fox that much and trading him for couple of first rounders won't be a difficulty if he stays healthy.

Trade for win now players. Wemby is ready now and his window may not be that long. Spurs should trade for players who are able to help them win now and for the next 5-6 years.

That's what Fox is. Yall will see. Wemby is a top 3-4 player in the league, maybe the best, and he's got an all star caliber teammate in Fox, high level starters in Castle and Vassell, and a deep bench. You dont need more than that to win now. Since Wemby last was playing, they have added Fox (played a few games together), Kornet, Olynyk, Harper and Bryant. They are alot better now than people realize, especially since Wemby has done what was inevitable and added core strength to make him unstoppable on top of all those additions.

[Tottery]

If he continues to play anywhere near like last night, then the league is on notice.

I was happy to see him jack up a lot less 3's and just dominate. However, when he hit that step back 3 for a 4 point play, I shook my head in disgust lol.

Them team around him is a lot better than people are giving them credit for. They've been growing together, and Fox will be a good fit alongside Wemby. We've only had a tiny sample size.

[tsherkin]

This is a weird thread after a single game which actually wasn't better than a bunch of different games which Jokic has had as recently as this past season... but Wemby looked great, played a really awesome STYLE of ball and is poised to have an amazing season, no doubt.

[zshawn10]

Now it’s Wemby’s turn. For a long time.

I know it's a thread not to be taken seriously, but Jokic could have 5 mvps right now

[prime1time]

If you're measuring actual impact, the only thing that actually matters is winning the minutes when you're on the court. Nobody has done that better than Jokic in the last few years. The on/off splits are also comical, it's ridiculous how much better Denver is with him on the court than off it. Nobody is even close to him in that category.

I agree that it's clear that Jokic has been the best player in the NBA for the past 4-5 years now but I definitely see Wemby as the clear successor to the throne over the next several years.

If we're lucky, we will get some playoff matches to prove it.

Wemby will get there, just think it's probably too big of a leap to get there this year. That says more about how great Jokic is than anything else.

Jokic's defense isn't nearly good enough. And Wemby has GOAT Defender potential. It really isn't close.

[ItsDanger]

The more he has the ball on perimeter making plays, dribbling and driving paint, the higher his risk for injuries. And with that body type, it increases significantly.

[prime1time]

This is a weird thread after a single game which actually wasn't better than a bunch of different games which Jokic has had as recently as this past season... but Wemby looked great, played a really awesome STYLE of ball and is poised to have an amazing season, no doubt.

Wemby +31 in 30 minutes lol. Against arguably the best defensive front court in the NBA. And Wemby is only 21. He's only going to get better. Wemby has the potential to be the GOAT defensive player and the GOAT offensive player. He got Lively and Davis in foul trouble. I'm taking Wemby's game yesterday over any game Jokic has played. Mavs shot 6/21 inside the paint. It's been a long time since I've seen a player literally destroy a team's hope.

[prime1time]

The more he has the ball on perimeter making plays, dribbling and driving paint, the higher his risk for injuries. And with that body type, it increases significantly.

This is the only argument that can be made. In terms of actual impact on the court both sides, you can argue that no one has been more dominant in the history of basketball. If he's not there yet, he's certainly on the trajectory. Imagine having to beat this guy in a 7 game series. 5 years from now if he keeps on adding to his game. He'll be dominating on both sides of the ball. Getting your bigs in foul trouble. Drawing free throws. Altering shots in the paint. Mavs shot 6-21 from the paint but that doesn't even do his defensive impact justice because there some shots that the Mavs didn't even attempt.

If Wemby stays healthy a lot of guys that should win championships will never win because he'll be standing in their way.

[Optms]

Bro just made the Spurs a sleeper contender by going super sayian.

Okc should be on notice.

[Patches Perry]

Premature but inevitable if he can stay healthy.

[Tracymcgoaty]

This is a weird thread after a single game which actually wasn't better than a bunch of different games which Jokic has had as recently as this past season... but Wemby looked great, played a really awesome STYLE of ball and is poised to have an amazing season, no doubt.

Wemby +31 in 30 minutes lol. Against arguably the best defensive front court in the NBA. And Wemby is only 21. He's only going to get better. Wemby has the potential to be the GOAT defensive player and the GOAT offensive player. He got Lively and Davis in foul trouble. I'm taking Wemby's game yesterday over any game Jokic has played. Mavs shot 6/21 inside the paint. It's been a long time since I've seen a player literally destroy a team's hope.

Lol what?

Jokic did that to the lakers...TWICE...I should know i got PTSD to this day.

[Mephariel]

Comparing him to Jokic is dumb at this point. When Wemby carry his team into the playoffs and then win a ring, then we can talk.

Talent wise, he is above Jokic, but until he wins something, there is no comparison.

[PushDaRock]

I agree that it's clear that Jokic has been the best player in the NBA for the past 4-5 years now but I definitely see Wemby as the clear successor to the throne over the next several years.

If we're lucky, we will get some playoff matches to prove it.

Wemby will get there, just think it's probably too big of a leap to get there this year. That says more about how great Jokic is than anything else.

Jokic's defense isn't nearly good enough. And Wemby has GOAT Defender potential. It really isn't close.

Wemby has GOAT period potential, but that's beside the point.

[itsxtray]

lol I don't know about that just yet. People probably forget what Jokic did last season. Is Wemby going to put up a 30-13-10 season?

Obviously not (assists), but does he have to?

Well, if you're talking about surpassing Jokic then yes? The numbers need to at least be comparable or he needs to score or rebound way more than Jokic to make up for the lack of assist numbers.

You realize you contradicted yourself, right? If all that matters is you winning the minutes you're on the court, then the actual numbers don't matter, because there are various ways to help your team win those minutes in basketball. So Wemby doesn't need to get anywhere close to 30/13/10 to still be better than Jokic.

[Ambrose]

Comparing him to Jokic is dumb at this point. When Wemby carry his team into the playoffs and then win a ring, then we can talk.

Talent wise, he is above Jokic, but until he wins something, there is no comparison.

I agree Wemby hasn't passed Jokic but both LeBron and Jokic were the best player in the NBA before they won a title. Wemby doesn't need to win one to become #1. He does need to pass Joker though.

[ropjhk]

Bad timing, no one expected at that time that Wemby will be out and they'll get a great prospect in Harper with #2 pick. But they didn't invest in Fox that much and trading him for couple of first rounders won't be a difficulty if he stays healthy.

Trade for win now players. Wemby is ready now and his window may not be that long. Spurs should trade for players who are able to help them win now and for the next 5-6 years.

That's what Fox is. Yall will see. Wemby is a top 3-4 player in the league, maybe the best, and he's got an all star caliber teammate in Fox, high level starters in Castle and Vassell, and a deep bench. You dont need more than that to win now. Since Wemby last was playing, they have added Fox (played a few games together), Kornet, Olynyk, Harper and Bryant. They are alot better now than people realize, especially since Wemby has done what was inevitable and added core strength to make him unstoppable on top of all those additions.

I don't disagree. My comment was more about if he's going to be traded then trade him for another win now player in their early prime instead of draft picks. The timeline is now. They have the pieces they need to be competitive.

[Capn'O]

I feel pretty comfortable saying that Wemby is the best talent I've ever seen.

[PushDaRock]

Obviously not (assists), but does he have to?

Well, if you're talking about surpassing Jokic then yes? The numbers need to at least be comparable or he needs to score or rebound way more than Jokic to make up for the lack of assist numbers.

You realize you contradicted yourself, right? If all that matters is you winning the minutes you're on the court, then the actual numbers don't matter, because there are various ways to help your team win those minutes in basketball. So Wemby doesn't need to get anywhere close to 30/13/10 to still be better than Jokic.

I didn't say the numbers don't matter. I said if you are judging "impact", then the on court and on/off numbers would be what you are using rather than just saying he isn't good defensively. Let's say he did suck defensively and they're 10 points worse defensively with him on the court but they're also 30 points better offensively with him on the court than off it. That's still a net of +20 points and he impacts winning in a huge way. Nobody is even close to Jokic in on/off per 100 numbers in the last 3 years (+21.9, +20, +19). Wemby was at +7 and +9.6, still extremely impressive but some work to do to catch up to Jokic there.

[Optms]

Trade for win now players. Wemby is ready now and his window may not be that long. Spurs should trade for players who are able to help them win now and for the next 5-6 years.

That's what Fox is. Yall will see. Wemby is a top 3-4 player in the league, maybe the best, and he's got an all star caliber teammate in Fox, high level starters in Castle and Vassell, and a deep bench. You dont need more than that to win now. Since Wemby last was playing, they have added Fox (played a few games together), Kornet, Olynyk, Harper and Bryant. They are alot better now than people realize, especially since Wemby has done what was inevitable and added core strength to make him unstoppable on top of all those additions.

I don't disagree. My comment was more about if he's going to be traded then trade him for another win now player in their early prime instead of draft picks. The timeline is now. They have the pieces they need to be competitive.

Fox is Wemby's sidekick, that's how they envision him for the immediate and long term based on the fact that they not only gave up assets for him but extended him until 2030. Where is this trade speculation even coming from? Definitely not from the Spurs.

[ropjhk]

That's what Fox is. Yall will see. Wemby is a top 3-4 player in the league, maybe the best, and he's got an all star caliber teammate in Fox, high level starters in Castle and Vassell, and a deep bench. You dont need more than that to win now. Since Wemby last was playing, they have added Fox (played a few games together), Kornet, Olynyk, Harper and Bryant. They are alot better now than people realize, especially since Wemby has done what was inevitable and added core strength to make him unstoppable on top of all those additions.

I don't disagree. My comment was more about if he's going to be traded then trade him for another win now player in their early prime instead of draft picks. The timeline is now. They have the pieces they need to be competitive.

Fox is Wemby's sidekick, that's how they envision him for the immediate and long term based on the fact that they not only gave up assets for him but extended him until 2030. Where is this trade speculation even coming from? Definitely not from the Spurs.

It was in response to another poster who speculated about trading Fox for draft picks.