Wade in Tmac's Orlando situation

[BBallFreak]

and wade gets criticized, fair or not, because he's last place in a horrendous conference.

Not according to these folks. According to these folks, Wade doesn't get criticized at all.

[MagicFan3]

Wade has had Shaq, and will have Cook and Haslem for a long time, plus probably Beasley soon as well.

T-Mac had Armstrong, Hill for about 2 games a year, and Garrity. When you even mention Pat Garrity as a crucial member of your team, you know it was a pretty bad team.

[NetsForce]

Kobe could do it.

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Not according to these folks. According to these folks, Wade doesn't get criticized at all.

i haven't seen any sports media person criticize wade. the blame's been squarely on shaq.

[BBallFreak]

i haven't seen any sports media person criticize wade. the blame's been squarely on shaq.

Remember, Wade's been injured - had two surgeries in the offseason - and hasn't seen his numbers dip significantly. Shaq, on the other hand, is now averaging 14 and 8.

I guarantee you, if Wade were to miss the playoffs for the next two or three years, he'll see plenty of criticism...

[MagicFan3]

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[TMACFORMVP]

I didn't want to really get into this, since I do consider Wade the better player in literally every aspect especially with a much greater will to win (I consider a healthy Wade BY far the most clutch player in the NBA and the third/second best player in the league), but to be fair to BBallFreak's first point, McGrady came to Orlando knowing that they'd sign either Grant Hill or Tim Duncan both of whom were considered much better players than Carter was at the time. He left because of coaching issues and Orlando was his hometown offering him great money.

Bottom line is in the end, you need a good supporting cast that steps up in the playoffs. Wade has done it, while McGrady hasn't. It's neither player's fault for not advancing or not getting into the playoffs since it's a team game.

But again if I had to pick a player to lead my team, I'd pick Wade just because hes proven it at the biggest stage and come through in every fourth quarter.

[MagicFan3]

Also, don't forget Wade has actually won before. Even without Shaq, he got to the second round. It's hard to say he's in the same situation as T-Mac.

[BBallFreak]

Also, don't forget Wade has actually won before. Even without Shaq, he got to the second round. It's hard to say he's in the same situation as T-Mac.

But the point is, had T-Mac won the ring in Orlando and then two years later, had the kind of year he had in his last year in Orlando, he wouldn't have been trashed for it. Sure, he might draw some flack, but look at these boards in relation to Wade. He got flack when he won the damn ring! Their will always be haters.

Is it unfair to criticize T-Mac for never getting out of the first round? I think so. But is his situation comparable to Wade's? No, not at all...

[CB4MiamiHeat]

Kobe could do it.

Kobe went 34-48 with Lamar Odom and Caron Butler.


Most of the criticism Tmac, Ai, KG, Vince had when they had bad seasons was people questioning their ability to lead a team to a championship as the 1st option since THEYVE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE.

Kobe got criticized only cause of the whole Shaq thing and people didnt like his attitude.

What are people gonna criticize Wade about? They cant say he cant lead a team to a championship, they cant criticize him about his attitude.


Thats why you dont hear the same criticism for Wade as the other guys since hes in a completely different situation.

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Kobe went 34-48 with Lamar Odom and Caron Butler.


Most of the criticism Tmac, Ai, KG, Vince had when they had bad seasons was people questioning their ability to lead a team to a championship as the 1st option since THEYVE NEVER DONE IT BEFORE.

Kobe got criticized only cause of the whole Shaq thing and people didnt like his attitude.

What are people gonna criticize Wade about? They cant say he cant lead a team to a championship, they cant criticize him about his attitude.


Thats why you dont hear the same criticism for Wade as the other guys since hes in a completely different situation.

they can say he has declined and is no longer the player he was 2 years ago. he wasn't even as good last year as he was 2 years ago.

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they can say he has declined and is no longer the player he was 2 years ago. he wasn't even as good last year as he was 2 years ago.

Wade led the league in PER last year. That means statistically, he was the best player last year. How is that declining?

[DiplomaticMagic]

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Wade carried his team to a championship. Ask yourself this, if T-Mac had done the same for Orlando, would he have been criticized shortly afterwards for not being able to carry a team? No! Why? BECAUSE HE'D HAVE CARRIED A TEAM!

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He can win you a title. Did you not see his title run when he won the title? That was carrying a team.

[etopn23]

Yes the situations are similar - anyone who says otherwise is just deluding themselves.

[BBallFreak]

Like I said, even when you win, you still get criticized.