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Post#81 » by WadeKnicks2010 » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:32 pm

EvilKoko wrote:so AI is starting because tmac gave up his spot or did he get voted in?


He caught up near the end because people who watch basketball knew T-Mac didn't deserve to be there and AI was the only person with the chance of overtaking him..

Although true justice would have had CP3 in there instead, but I don't really mind AI..

Carmelo does not deserve to be there though.
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Post#82 » by UGA Hayes » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:54 pm

Wow not too many less deserving starters than AI and Melo. I thought Ernie Johnson was going to cry when he saw that AI beat out Nash. Also who here is enthused to find out AI and Melo are who our kids look up to. Thank you NBA.
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Post#83 » by RealTalkof916 » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:05 pm

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He caught up near the end because people who watch basketball knew T-Mac didn't deserve to be there and AI was the only person with the chance of overtaking him..

Although true justice would have had CP3 in there instead, but I don't really mind AI..

Carmelo does not deserve to be there though.


How exactly does Carmelo not deserve to start?
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Post#84 » by Magz50 » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:08 pm

I'd go

West back ups: Paul, Nash, Dirk, Amare, Boozer.

East: Billups, Rip, Bosh, Butler, Jefferson.
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Post#85 » by reggielewis » Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:40 pm

cp3 better get voted in or that is justa travesty. the same could eb said for brandon roy.. but the west is tough because there are soo many good teams right now. if any of those left overs were in the east it would not be close!!! I hope PP gets voted in cause he is playing great this yr but if he doesnt I hope Butler gets in as he is my PP replica :)
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Post#86 » by Klomp » Fri Jan 25, 2008 4:26 pm

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so from your statement

BIG AL should be in the ASG cause he made amare look like a clown on defense when playin against him....


No, but he should because hes averaging 21/12
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Post#87 » by Powder Blue » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:35 pm

UGA Hayes wrote:Wow not too many less deserving starters than AI and Melo. I thought Ernie Johnson was going to cry when he saw that AI beat out Nash. Also who here is enthused to find out AI and Melo are who our kids look up to. Thank you NBA.


Why do AI and Melo not deserve to start this year???? They are both top 5 in scoring, Melo has improved his rebounding and AI is a little better passer. Gotta love the haters, oh and aren't u also enthused that your kids look up to kobe, cause he's done far worse than AI and Melo...but u just so happened to leave his name out.
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Post#88 » by Magz50 » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:53 pm

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Why do AI and Melo not deserve to start this year???? They are both top 5 in scoring, Melo has improved his rebounding and AI is a little better passer. Gotta love the haters, oh and aren't u also enthused that your kids look up to kobe, cause he's done far worse than AI and Melo...but u just so happened to leave his name out.


Seriously dude, do you really think AI deserves to start over Chris Paul or Nash????? :nonono:
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Post#89 » by CB4MiamiHeat » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:19 pm

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Seriously dude, do you really think AI deserves to start over Chris Paul or Nash????? :nonono:


I think Paul deserves to start...

I mean AI is statistically even with Kobe Bryant..its not such an outrage that he starts though.
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Post#90 » by Nuggetsfanduh98 » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:59 pm

WadeKnicks2010 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



He caught up near the end because people who watch basketball knew T-Mac didn't deserve to be there and AI was the only person with the chance of overtaking him..

Although true justice would have had CP3 in there instead, but I don't really mind AI..

Carmelo does not deserve to be there though.


Another Wade fan saying someone else should'nt be at the all-star game...
May I remind you and wade of a certain losing streak and record.
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Post#91 » by Nuggetsfanduh98 » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:00 pm

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Seriously dude, do you really think AI deserves to start over Chris Paul or Nash????? :nonono:


Would you rather it be T-Mac or AI??
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Post#92 » by UNLVNugsFan » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:08 pm

Personally, even as a nuggets fan, I probably would have Paul start ahead of AI, and maybe, just maybe, Dirk ahead of Melo. That being said, it is so close that I really do not see how so many people can be outraged that AI and Melo will be starting. The statistical and even team record differences are negligible at best. Most of the people arguing against them are using circular logic with no actual evidence to back up their claims.

Though this may not really be the appropriate topic to post in, now that we have our all-star starters, here would be my all-star reserves in each conference:

West:

Boozer, Dirk, Paul and Nash are guaranteed locks (barring injury). Which leaves 3 spots left, which IMO would be among 5 eligible players (keeping in mind, one has to be a backup C) : Roy, Amare, Camby, Kaman, and Baron Davis.

Personally, I would go with Roy, Camby and Amare. Leaving the western all-stars looking like this:

Yao/Amare/Camby
TD/Boozer
Melo/Dirk
Kobe/Roy
AI/Nash/Paul

East:

The east is pretty wide open with about 13 players with a shot at 7 spots. Those 13 IMO would be: Sheed, Billups, Bosh, Peirce, Allen, Butler, Jamison, RJ, Gerald Wallace, Shard, Hedo, Calderon and Josh Smith. If I had to choose out of that group, my final all-star roster would look like this:

Dwight/Sheed(possibly could be considered a C by coaches)
KG/Bosh/RJ
LeBron/Peirce/Butler
Wade/Allen
Kidd/Billups

Personally, I would prefer Gerald Wallace over RJ, but RJ will probable make it instead.
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Post#93 » by Storm Surge » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:38 pm

I feel Paul deserves to start more than Kobe, Nash is behind Kobe, AI is after Nash but Roy and AI are pretty close.
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Post#94 » by WadeKnicks2010 » Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:51 am

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Another Wade fan saying someone else should'nt be at the all-star game...
May I remind you and wade of a certain losing streak and record.


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Post#95 » by giordunk » Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:35 am

My picks are

West

C - Yao/Stoudemire
PF - Duncan/Boozer
SF - Melo/Dirk
SG - Kobe/Roy
PG - AI/Nash/CP3/Davis

Hell yea, 4 PGs!

East

C - Dwight Howard/SHAQ
PF - KG/Bosh
SF - LeBron/Pierce/Butler
SG - Wade/Allen
PG - Kidd/Billups/Calderon
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Post#96 » by Powder Blue » Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:59 am

CP3 has had a great half season thus far but i don't see how its a tragedy that AI and his Hall of Fame resume beat him out for an all star starting position. Every year there is a young guy out west that has a killer season and gets snubbed, this is Pauls year.

We all know the voting is basically a popularity contest, that's y players like shaq, T-mac, etc get in when they produce very little. Paul will have his day, i guess now he'll just have to settle for having the best record in the western conference.
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Post#97 » by Doctor MJ » Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:06 am

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Which is basically irrelevant for the playoffs unless they're playing another fast-paced team. The game slows down, there are less possessions, and defense, rebounding and half-court offensive execution are emphasized. Denver relies on AI/Carmelo, fast-breaks, and easy baskets to play well. Getting into a half-court game is not where they play consistently, and they haven't proven to consistently win games with their defense. Generally they can't dictate the tempo over a 7-game series. Not being even an average 3PT shooting team, and lacking discpline defensively on going for steals and blocks, don't help also. They rely on creating turnovers as one of their few main ways to score. You can have that as one of the consistencies of the team, but not relying on it so much to be successful. That's not being equipped enough to advance deep in the playoffs or win a title.

In the playoffs, you're of course not playing the league (which applies to Denver's pace and success), or some lower-level team - you're playing one of the top 8 teams in the conference for a 7-game series in an enhanced environment. And for Denver, a team that is right there with them or better.

Denver needs to get more balanced on both ends of the floor, to take that next step as a contender.


Dude you're so backwards on this stuff. Where to begin?

1) Playing at a fast pace makes playing defense tougher. The fast pace isn't somehow inflated defensive proficiency, it's making it tougher for them to get back and stop opposing defenses.

2) When pace slows down, chances for the opposing team to score go down proportionately. Take a normal NBA game, end it after the 3rd quarter, is there any reason to think that defenses will look worse when calculating points allowed per possession because they've played less possessions? NO!

3) Of course everything gets tougher in the playoffs. Saying a team won't be able to do as well in the playoffs is simply a truism. It's just ridiculous to use it to say that one team's regular season numbers are a complete mirage while everyone else's aren't.
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Post#98 » by Tommy Trojan » Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:40 am

This year's all star game should be fun to watch. I don't think it will be a blow out, but the East should take this years game.
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Post#99 » by Ballings7 » Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:31 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:Dude you're so backwards on this stuff. Where to begin?

1) Playing at a fast pace makes playing defense tougher. The fast pace isn't somehow inflated defensive proficiency, it's making it tougher for them to get back and stop opposing defenses.

2) When pace slows down, chances for the opposing team to score go down proportionately. Take a normal NBA game, end it after the 3rd quarter, is there any reason to think that defenses will look worse when calculating points allowed per possession because they've played less possessions? NO!

3) Of course everything gets tougher in the playoffs. Saying a team won't be able to do as well in the playoffs is simply a truism. It's just ridiculous to use it to say that one team's regular season numbers are a complete mirage while everyone else's aren't.


All of this is in general, though. Not to a specific team, which is mainly what I posted about.

I'll explain the post.

I just used "playoffs compared to regular season" summary, because that's the general introduction part of the post, which then leads into the seperate points about the Denver Nuggets. The summary of all those points is how things relate to their team in the playoffs, with those points originating from what I've seen over-time (mostly meaning this season). So, all of this adds up collectively for what their team ultimately consists of, and relating to the playoffs.

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Why the playoff/regular season comparision especially applies to Denver is because of how they play and what they lack as a team.

And given their make-up as a team, I think they'll have trouble against the Lakers, Spurs (again), Mavs (though if they can effectively defend Dirk over the series, that'll edge things closer), Jazz, Hornets in a playoff series. However, I do like Denver to quite possibly win, and at least be able to play their game noticably more, against the Suns, Warriors, and probably Portland, over a series.

But until they get better in a couple of their lesser areas, they won't be a title contender.
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Post#100 » by About_Blank » Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:46 pm

Allen over Carter ?? no way ..

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