The Kobe Step Through

[Zeitgeister]

Sixerswillrule is talking about establishing a pivot foot, then establishing another pivot foot with your other foot. If that was what Kobe was actually doing, he would be able to bring his original pivot foot to the ground again and move around, which he clearly isn't doing. This is not a travel, Kobe is not the only person to do this, I remember seeing David Robinson doing that move back in the day. I learned the move back in grade school, its not a travel!

[garcia3]

Kobe tried to drive right, and did a "1-2 stop", the first one of the steps being with his left foot (automatically establishing his left foot as the pivot), and the second with his right foot. Then he pump faked, did a spinning move without picking up his left foot (pivot foot), then stepped through with his right foot, and then jumped with both feet simultaneously and took the jumper.

KOBE NEVER PICKED UP HIS LEFT FOOT (PIVOT FOOT) SO IT IS NOT A TRAVEL

I don't know what the hell is wrong with the people that think it was a travel, have ya'll ever played organized basketball in your lives? please

P.S: That play the other guy showed when he did a move on Ginobli was a blatant travel though, he downright switched his pivot foot then stepped through hahaha, no wonder Ginobli couldn't guard that, and I'm a Kobe fan.

[marcroboy]

Section VIII—Pivot
a. A pivot takes place when a player, who is holding the ball, steps once or more than
once in any direction with the same foot, with the other foot (pivot foot) in contact with the
floor.
b. If the player wishes to dribble after a pivot, the ball must be out of his hand before
the pivot foot is raised off the floor. If the player raises his pivot off the floor, he must pass
or attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor.
If he fails to follow these guidelines, he has committed a traveling violation.

Wait wait wait....so according to the NBA and FIBA rule, you can reverse pivot and jump off of your non-pivot foot as long as you are going for a shot or pass??? If so then why doesn't everyone take a huge ass step after they do an up&under and jump as long as their pivot foot doesn't hit the ground?? I always thought the rule states something like when your pivot foot is off the ground your non pivot foot has to be off the ground too.

[mrfatwrecker]

Section VIII—Pivot
a. A pivot takes place when a player, who is holding the ball, steps once or more than
once in any direction with the same foot, with the other foot (pivot foot) in contact with the
floor.
b. If the player wishes to dribble after a pivot, the ball must be out of his hand before
the pivot foot is raised off the floor. If the player raises his pivot off the floor, he must pass
or attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor.
If he fails to follow these guidelines, he has committed a traveling violation.

Wait wait wait....so according to the NBA and FIBA rule, you can reverse pivot and jump off of your non-pivot foot as long as you are going for a shot or pass??? If so then why doesn't everyone take a huge ass step after they do an up&under and jump as long as their pivot foot doesn't hit the ground?? I always thought the rule states something like when your pivot foot is off the ground your non pivot foot has to be off the ground too.

Read the rules. What you thought is irrelevant. Also, refer to "common post move" I posted a few pages back, AKA the drop step. Players DO take huge ass steps to do up and unders.....that's why it's effective.

[ilikecb4]

well a few things

1. he does it fast and smooth

2. is you can't clearly tell from a slow motion replay, how are the refs going to? they're not

3. it's not a big travel, he gets away with half a step...because when he goes up he goes from 1 pivot foot (his left) to a jump stop and up...

it's a complex move..but i believe that can be called a travel...when u go up with 2 feet for a jump stop or hop step or whatever you want to call it, you're supposed to come down with 2 feet at the same time...

[sixerswillrule]

Players DO take huge ass steps to do up and unders.....that's why it's effective.

They do do that. They're allowed to do that. Just as long as their pivot foot stays on the ground and they jump off both feet.

Common post move: Back to the basket, drop step towards the basket with the right foot and take off with the right foot. You call that a travel too? because it's the same thing.

NO ONE DOES THAT. If they do that, and it's obvious, they'll get called for the travel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW4uXlRGAF0

Look at :55 and 1:17. That's how it's done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q14qIQsM ... re=related

The first move. That's how it's done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlSZC4TAYVc

:44, :55, 1:13. THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE.

[mrfatwrecker]

Players DO take huge ass steps to do up and unders.....that's why it's effective.

They do do that. They're allowed to do that. Just as long as their pivot foot stays on the ground and they jump off both feet.

Common post move: Back to the basket, drop step towards the basket with the right foot and take off with the right foot. You call that a travel too? because it's the same thing.

NO ONE DOES THAT. If they do that, and it's obvious, they'll get called for the travel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q14qIQsM2OY&feature=related

The first move. That's how it's done.

YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE KG'S FEET! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU'RE RIDICULOUS!

LMAO this sixerswillrule guy is straight (Please Use More Appropriate Word). He's been called out by half the forum and had the rules shoved into his face and he refuses to accept the truth.

You wanna take about traveling? How about your favorite, Iverson? He never travels right?

[jzmagik]

Players DO take huge ass steps to do up and unders.....that's why it's effective.

They do do that. They're allowed to do that. Just as long as their pivot foot stays on the ground and they jump off both feet.

Common post move: Back to the basket, drop step towards the basket with the right foot and take off with the right foot. You call that a travel too? because it's the same thing.

NO ONE DOES THAT. If they do that, and it's obvious, they'll get called for the travel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q14qIQsM2OY&feature=related

The first move. That's how it's done.

YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE KG'S FEET! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU'RE RIDICULOUS!

LMAO this sixerswillrule guy is straight (Please Use More Appropriate Word). He's been called out by half the forum and had the rules shoved into his face and he refuses to accept the truth.

You wanna take about traveling? How about your favorite, Iverson? He never travels right?

ANGER MANAGEMENT YOU NEED!!!!

[sixerswillrule]

It's obvious that KG jumped off both feet. How about the other videos? That's how the move is supposed to be done. You have no evidence of players doing it your way because no one does it like that...Not unless they want to be called for a travel...

As long as he leaves with both feet simultaneously, it's not a travel. That's an extremely common post move for all players, actually.

Watch Kobe's feet, he doesn't travel on that move.

He never lifted his pivot foot, he just stepped through with the other foot which is perfectly legal.

He has his left foot as a pivot and he uses it. not a travel.

No the common post move is to NOT take off with the right foot. You do the drop step then lift off at the same time with both feet. Taking off with the right foot is a travel because you have to lift your pivot foot before you can take off with the right.

Yeah, that's a travel. You would obviously be switching pivot feet. It's hard to argue with people that have no idea what they are talking about but would never admit if they were wrong. I would hate to play against you. Is that your go to move? You must be unstoppable b/c that's pretty hard to guard. I wouldn't see that coming. Everybody in the whole gym would scream TRAVEL though.

All agree with me. Some disagree on whether Kobe traveled in that play, but only because they think Kobe jumped off both feet(it was close). But they still agree ON THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO JUMP OFF BOTH FEET. That's more people then have agreed with you thus far. I'm still waiting on more to shut you up...

[ss1986v2]

ON THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO JUMP OFF BOTH FEET.

just for the sake of argument, can you show me anywhere in the rule book where that is stated?

[mrfatwrecker]

All agree with me. Some disagree on whether Kobe traveled in that play, but only because they think Kobe jumped off both feet(it was close). But they still agree ON THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO JUMP OFF BOTH FEET. That's more people then have agreed with you thus far. I'm still waiting on more to shut you up...

Really? Are you sure? Here, just to start you off.

^^ dude, stop being so dense and going by past perceptions. The rules have been written right in front of you; it's not a travel.

Picking up your pivot foot while still on the ground is a travel. Period.

man, you're wrong.

It's ok to admit you were wrong about something, just stop continuing on like this.

They jump off both feet.

No. Even if you try to jump off both feet one foot is going to leave a millisecond before the other. It's pretty much impossible to get both feet off of the ground at the exact same time. This whole both feet leaving the ground at the same time crap is meaningless.

You can't take your pivot foot off the ground with your other foot still on the ground.

It's a good thing I went back and read through this thread again, because I missed this the first time. You're wrong. You absolutely can do that. That's not changing your pivot foot. Unless you bring that foot back to the ground it's not a travel.

Wow.....

It's true.

Nope. You have to jump off both feet. Or just your pivot foot. Picking up pivot foot = change in pivot foot = travel.

Section VIII—Pivot
a. A pivot takes place when a player, who is holding the ball, steps once or more than
once in any direction with the same foot, with the other foot (pivot foot) in contact with the
floor.
b. If the player wishes to dribble after a pivot, the ball must be out of his hand before
the pivot foot is raised off the floor. If the player raises his pivot off the floor, he must pass
or attempt a field goal before the foot is returned to the floor.
If he fails to follow these guidelines, he has committed a traveling violation.

http://www.nba.com/media/2008-09-NBARuleBook.pdf

Rules are not entirely logical here. If a player goes up for layup he can raise his pivot foot, take a step with the other foot and shoot. Just compare layup steps to one-two stop, the first foot to hit the ground is your pivot foot. If a player uses the hop when he stops with the ball he can use either foot as pivot foot, Right? So why do they call it a travel when a player hop steps into two feet, takes a step forward, raises his pivot foot and shoots off of one foot. It looks like a travel to me too, but according to the rule book it's not. I don't know how it's called in the states in High school and College ball, because I've seen the move used in Rick Torbett's Better Basketball videos among other places.

On topic, Kobe usually jumps off of two feet in that move so it's not a travel eitherway. And every other self-respecting player in the world uses the up & under too.

uhh, yes you can...no wait, yes we can!

And that's not even all of them. So GTFO already!

[sixerswillrule]

You can't pick up your pivot foot and leave your other foot on the ground. It's not specifically stated in the rules but everyone knows about it. It's more like common sense. Try that yourself playing in a game and everyone will scream travel. If a player does that in an NBA game and it's obvious, the ref will probably call travel. Simple as that...

[sixerswillrule]

All that shows me is that more people who don't know what the hell they're talking about have posted in this thread. There's still no videos of players using your traveling move because no one does it for just that reason. It's a travel. It's illegal.

[mrfatwrecker]

All agree with me. Some disagree on whether Kobe traveled in that play, but only because they think Kobe jumped off both feet(it was close). But they still agree ON THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO JUMP OFF BOTH FEET. That's more people then have agreed with you thus far. I'm still waiting on more to shut you up...

All that shows me is that more people who don't know what the hell they're talking about have posted in this thread. There's still no videos of players using your traveling move because no one does it for just that reason. It's a travel. It's illegal.

That's funny, I thought I just proved you wrong that you have more people agreeing with you than me? You always have a way to backtrack don't you?

Is this you?


Or this?

[sixerswillrule]

I have avoided stooping down to your level, which you've been doing for a while now, so this thread will stay open and people will see your nonsense...

[casey]

You can't pick up your pivot foot and leave your other foot on the ground. It's not specifically stated in the rules but everyone knows about it. It's more like common sense. Try that yourself playing in a game and everyone will scream travel. If a player does that in an NBA game and it's obvious, the ref will probably call travel. Simple as that...

One of my friends does it all the time. Yeah it kinda looks like a travel. But it's not. Saying "everyone knows about it" and that it's "common sense" is not a valid argument. You absolutely can pick up your pivot foot and leave your other foot on the ground. That's a fact, and you're making a fool out of yourself by continuing to deny it.

[Death Knight]

Kobe is a legit player. Everything he does is legit. Stop whinning.

[sixerswillrule]

Nope. No one in the NBA blatantly does it or else they'd get called for it. Milliseconds between the two feet leaving the ground, as you were saying earlier, is one thing. If it looks like he's jumping off both feet at the same time, that's good enough. It can't be and doesn't have to be precisely at the same time, of course. But clearly picking up your pivot foot and jumping off your opposite foot is simply a travel. What Kobe did in the replay against the Knicks was pretty close, but it happened so quick and he's Kobe so it wasn't called. But anything more than that is a travel. Your pivot foot can't leave the ground unless you're jumping in the air off of it.

You can pick up your pivot foot and then stand in the same place for another 10 seconds, as long as your pivot foot doesn't come back down to the ground again.

I, along with the entire arena, would laugh our asses off if that ever were to happen. It wouldn't need 10 seconds. You'd hear the whistle after one...

[Canomad]

mamba dribble?

[casey]

I'll repeat what I said in my last post, saying "everyone knows about it" and that it's "common sense" is not a valid argument. You haven't provided any facts to back up your claim. It's pretty clear in the rule book that it's not a travel.