76ers back to fining Ben Simmons

[bbalnation]

So he's got a bunch of personal problems.

Is he not in mental shape to fulfill his contractual obligations?

What are the odds the poster you are asking is actually Simmons health professional and in position to answer that?
(Never mind and then publicly willing to breach that confidentiality)

"A lack of understanding or a mischaracterization of a mental health problem can discourage people from getting needed treatment. Moreover, blurring the lines between health and disease can cause people to misjudge, dismiss, or even stigmatize those who have a mental illness."

https://www.mcleanhospital.org/essential/yes-there-big-difference-between-mental-health-and-mental-illness

HartfordWhalers (you know what you're doing with a "joke" like that after quoting that poster who says "so hes got a bunch of personal problems")- I know you're angry as a Philly fan, but yikes man: step back and reassess? Or don't.

“It’s not all or nothing,” he said. “The term ‘mental health’ implies the absence of illness or disorder. But there are a lot of ways people can be mentally healthy or ill, just like there are many ways to be physically healthy or unwell.” Both mental health and mental illness are states of being that are on a spectrum.

[HartfordWhalers]

What are the odds the poster you are asking is actually Simmons health professional and in position to answer that?
(Never mind and then publicly willing to breach that confidentiality)

"A lack of understanding or a mischaracterization of a mental health problem can discourage people from getting needed treatment. Moreover, blurring the lines between health and disease can cause people to misjudge, dismiss, or even stigmatize those who have a mental illness."

https://www.mcleanhospital.org/essential/yes-there-big-difference-between-mental-health-and-mental-illness

HartfordWhalers (you know what you're doing with a "joke" like that after quoting that poster who says "so hes got a bunch of personal problems")- I know you're angry as a Philly fan, but yikes man: step back and reassess? Or don't.

“It’s not all or nothing,” he said. “The term ‘mental health’ implies the absence of illness or disorder. But there are a lot of ways people can be mentally healthy or ill, just like there are many ways to be physically healthy or unwell.” Both mental health and mental illness are states of being that are on a spectrum.

Um, did you read what I wrote? Or just assume it said something and go off on what it didn't say. Because it sure looks like you did the later.

To make it easier for you:

Someone who thought they *knew* Simmons mental health situation and that another poster also should knew it demanded an answer to whether Simmons was mentally able to play.

I pointed out the absurdity of expecting a internet yahoo to actually be in the position to make a medical opinion on mental health.

You decided that wasn't treating mental illness seriously ... for reasons fully inexplicable and actually at odds with the quoted dialogue.

[dhsilv2]

How is Simmons holding the Sixers hostage? The Sixers don't want to keep him either. They tried to trade him long before he asked for a trade.

He's trying, though he's not being successful. He refuses to play for them, which wouldn't even bother me (other than the general idea that he signed a contract and is not being a professional) if he declined his salary, but he wants his salary too, and now is using any lame ass method he can to get out of playing but continuing to get paid.

And maybe the Sixers want to keep him now. Maybe they don't, but would like him to play to increase his trade value. Frankly, I don't care. It's their right as a team to do expect him to play or trade him per the contract he signed with them. He signed a contract knowing that any of these situations were a possibility. If he didn't want to deal with this situation, don't sign a contract to play in the NBA. He can go off and live off the grid and practice artisan woodworking for all that I care.

None of the above is keeping the Sixers hostage, though. Want an example of a player keeping a team hostage? AD with NOLA and Kawhi with the Spurs. In these cases, the franchises would love to keep the player but the player in question was very clear that he wanted out. That can be seen as keeping a team hostage, yes.

This, though? Again, the Sixers do not actually want to keep Simmons. They want to trade him. They do not believe that they can win with him and, frankly, I do not blame them. If I was a Sixers fan, I'd want the team to trade him as well. But as Salmons to Rose said, I'd also be livid at how this situation has played out so far.

Where are you getting this from? The 76ers have been steadfast on wanting to keep Ben. The only time they looked at trading him I'm aware of was after his demand and when they had a shot at adding James Harden. None of this indicates they don't think they can win with him or that they want to trade him.

[bbalnation]

"A lack of understanding or a mischaracterization of a mental health problem can discourage people from getting needed treatment. Moreover, blurring the lines between health and disease can cause people to misjudge, dismiss, or even stigmatize those who have a mental illness."

https://www.mcleanhospital.org/essential/yes-there-big-difference-between-mental-health-and-mental-illness

HartfordWhalers (you know what you're doing with a "joke" like that after quoting that poster who says "so hes got a bunch of personal problems")- I know you're angry as a Philly fan, but yikes man: step back and reassess? Or don't.

“It’s not all or nothing,” he said. “The term ‘mental health’ implies the absence of illness or disorder. But there are a lot of ways people can be mentally healthy or ill, just like there are many ways to be physically healthy or unwell.” Both mental health and mental illness are states of being that are on a spectrum.

Um, did you read what I wrote? Or just assume it said something and go off on what it didn't say. Because it sure looks like you did the later.

To make it easier for you:

Someone who thought they *knew* Simmons mental health situation and that another poster also should knew it demanded an answer to whether Simmons was mentally able to play.

I pointed out the absurdity of expecting a internet yahoo to actually be in the position to make a medical opinion on mental health.

You decided that wasn't treating mental illness seriously ... for reasons fully inexplicable and actually at odds with the quoted dialogue.

Edit: I see where you were coming from now. You're right: I should have read it more carefully.

The "breach that confidentiality" threw me off, but thats on me. It read entirely different to me, and again, on me.

Sorry for putting you on blast like that.

[magicman1978]

And you keep misunderstanding my point, it seems. Allow me to say it once again:

I am NOT saying that the Sixers did anything wrong by trying to trade Simmons. I am NOT saying that Simmons is justified to want out because they tried to trade him. I am NOT saying any of that stuff so please stop implying that this is what I'm trying to say.

My whole point is the following:

The Sixers are trying to portray themselves as jilted lovers here and that's simply not the case. They aren't a team that is being strong-armed into trading a player that they don't want to trade. They absolutely want to trade Simmons. They simply haven't found a deal that they consider good enough for them yet which is why we have this ridiculous saga going on.

Simmons isn't the only one holding out here. The Sixers are also holding out in hopes of finding a great deal that is never going to come.

So looking at potential trades for a player and determining he's more valuable than what teams are offering = holding out? They didn't even seem to be in serious trade discussions before Ben requested one.

[HartfordWhalers]

“It’s not all or nothing,” he said. “The term ‘mental health’ implies the absence of illness or disorder. But there are a lot of ways people can be mentally healthy or ill, just like there are many ways to be physically healthy or unwell.” Both mental health and mental illness are states of being that are on a spectrum.

Um, did you read what I wrote? Or just assume it said something and go off on what it didn't say. Because it sure looks like you did the later.

To make it easier for you:

Someone who thought they *knew* Simmons mental health situation and that another poster also should knew it demanded an answer to whether Simmons was mentally able to play.

I pointed out the absurdity of expecting a internet yahoo to actually be in the position to make a medical opinion on mental health.

You decided that wasn't treating mental illness seriously ... for reasons fully inexplicable and actually at odds with the quoted dialogue.

Maybe im still misunderstanding as I continuously reread what you said. What tone and message were you trying to deliver with:

"then publicly willing to breach that confidentiality"

Breach that confidentiality?

Lol.

So, even if the poster was not just a trained mental health professional, but also specifically one treating Ben Simmons, that poster would have an obligation not to go and report about Ben Simmons current health and treatment and disclosing this to a bunch of internet forums, no? A confidentiality that would have to be breached to have an internet poster actually did share this actual knowledge (versus 40 pages of uninformed speculation and guesses based off actions observed over the tv).

So, to ask a poster on here if Ben Simmons is actually mentally capable or not of playing; then a poster is asking:

Someone to be a trained medical expert
Specifically one treating Ben Simmons
*And* also to violate their patient's confidentiality

(or just for uninformed speculation)

It seems pretty unlikely all in; although for those familiar with Burnergate and Colangelo's tenure I guess it sadly is not *that* far fetched.

[bbalnation]

Um, did you read what I wrote? Or just assume it said something and go off on what it didn't say. Because it sure looks like you did the later.

To make it easier for you:

Someone who thought they *knew* Simmons mental health situation and that another poster also should knew it demanded an answer to whether Simmons was mentally able to play.

I pointed out the absurdity of expecting a internet yahoo to actually be in the position to make a medical opinion on mental health.

You decided that wasn't treating mental illness seriously ... for reasons fully inexplicable and actually at odds with the quoted dialogue.

Maybe im still misunderstanding as I continuously reread what you said. What tone and message were you trying to deliver with:

"then publicly willing to breach that confidentiality"

Breach that confidentiality?

Lol.

So, even if the poster was not just a trained mental health professional, but also specifically one treating Ben Simmons, that poster would have an obligation not to go and report about Ben Simmons current health and treatment and disclosing this to a bunch of internet forums, no? A confidentiality that would have to be breached to have an internet poster actually did share this actual knowledge (versus 40 pages of uninformed speculation and guesses based off actions observed over the tv).

So, to ask a poster on here if Ben Simmons is actually mentally capable or not of playing; then a poster is asking:

Someone to be a trained medical expert
Specifically one treating Ben Simmons
*And* also to violate their patient's confidentiality

(or just for uninformed speculation)

It seems pretty unlikely all in; although for those familiar with Burnergate and Colangelo's tenure I guess it sadly is not *that* far fetched.

I made my edit before you had to type that out, which sucks haha, coulda saved you a couple mins.

I see where you were coming from now. You're right: I should have read it more carefully.

The "breach that confidentiality" threw me off, but thats on me. It read entirely different to me, and again, on me.

Sorry for putting you on blast like that.

[azcatz11]

Truly bizarre that people are completely dismissing his mental health struggles as there’s lots of evidence to the contrary

His own sister is going through things and his family would have to condone his behaviour as they’re very close

If true, this is next level Machiavellian stuff

Not buying it

Something more is happening

No one cares about his sister. Every family has their own stuff and players play thru it. He really doesn't belong in the NBA

[sikma42]

Truly bizarre that people are completely dismissing his mental health struggles as there’s lots of evidence to the contrary

His own sister is going through things and his family would have to condone his behaviour as they’re very close

If true, this is next level Machiavellian stuff

Not buying it

Something more is happening

No one cares about his sister. Every family has their own stuff and players play thru it. He really doesn't belong in the NBA

You just sound jealous, extremely jealous.

Situations effect people in different ways. If he is having a true mental health issue that isn’t conducive to performing in from of millions of people then the contract allows for that.


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[J_T]

Truly bizarre that people are completely dismissing his mental health struggles as there’s lots of evidence to the contrary

His own sister is going through things and his family would have to condone his behaviour as they’re very close

If true, this is next level Machiavellian stuff

Not buying it

Something more is happening

No one cares about his sister. Every family has their own stuff and players play thru it. He really doesn't belong in the NBA

You just sound jealous, extremely jealous.

Situations effect people in different ways. If he is having a true mental health issue that isn’t conducive to performing in from of millions of people then the contract allows for that.


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No he doesn't. Just extremely realistic. I'm not sure what the big deal is - if he doesn't play, he doesn't get the money. Why is this a problem for some? Should I also be demanding money from NBA? I am not tall enough, strong enough or skilled enough. But that shouldn't be a reason for me to not be paid by the league.

It's one thing if he was actually fired and kicked out of the league. But he hasn't been fired and kicked out of the league. He is just not being paid, because he is not fulfilling his contract. He can come back and start receiving salary once he "feels better".

[Nate505]

You just sound jealous, extremely jealous.

Situations effect people in different ways. If he is having a true mental health issue that isn’t conducive to performing in from of millions of people then the contract allows for that.


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If he really has a "true mental health issue" then (of course depending on how the CBA is structured as I'm sure lawyers from both sides could argue things both ways) he should probably work with the team and be cooperative with them to get thru it. I'm sure Kevin Love and others who have had mental health issues were communicative and cooperated with their teams about the time they would miss.

[bbalnation]

No one cares about his sister. Every family has their own stuff and players play thru it. He really doesn't belong in the NBA

You just sound jealous, extremely jealous.

Situations effect people in different ways. If he is having a true mental health issue that isn’t conducive to performing in from of millions of people then the contract allows for that.


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No he doesn't. Just extremely realistic. I'm not sure what the big deal is - if he doesn't play, he doesn't get the money. Why is this a problem for some? Should I also be demanding money from NBA? I am not tall enough, strong enough or skilled enough. But that shouldn't be a reason for me to not be paid by the league.

It's one thing if he was actually fired and kicked out of the league. But he hasn't been fired and kicked out of the league. He is just not being paid, because he is not fulfilling his contract. He can come back and start receiving salary once he "feels better".

Mental health is health, bro.

Try to reconsider your post with that in mind? Health? Like an injury?

Im trying my best to break it down to its simplest form- because thats just what it is, regardless of what your reality says. And regardless of how much anger or jealousy you may temporarily have.

[Texas Chuck]

Truly bizarre that people are completely dismissing his mental health struggles as there’s lots of evidence to the contrary

His own sister is going through things and his family would have to condone his behaviour as they’re very close

If true, this is next level Machiavellian stuff

Not buying it

Something more is happening

No one cares about his sister. Every family has their own stuff and players play thru it. He really doesn't belong in the NBA

Right we all have family members going through difficult times. For many of us that leads to compassion and understanding.

[azcatz11]

Truly bizarre that people are completely dismissing his mental health struggles as there’s lots of evidence to the contrary

His own sister is going through things and his family would have to condone his behaviour as they’re very close

If true, this is next level Machiavellian stuff

Not buying it

Something more is happening

No one cares about his sister. Every family has their own stuff and players play thru it. He really doesn't belong in the NBA

Right we all have family members going through difficult times. For many of us that leads to compassion and understanding.

It's a hell of a coincidence though that he's going thru all of this now...the same time he wants to be traded.

[Texas Chuck]

No one cares about his sister. Every family has their own stuff and players play thru it. He really doesn't belong in the NBA

Right we all have family members going through difficult times. For many of us that leads to compassion and understanding.

It's a hell of a coincidence though that he's going thru all of this now...the same time he wants to be traded.

It's funny that way how tough times don't only come when its convenient or acceptable to judgmental people on the internet.... Really wish we could choose exactly how and when tough times come upon us so that those who don't see others as human won't have to be bothered about the timing of things that have zero impact on them.

[Ryoga Hibiki]

You just sound jealous, extremely jealous.

Situations effect people in different ways. If he is having a true mental health issue that isn’t conducive to performing in from of millions of people then the contract allows for that.


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No he doesn't. Just extremely realistic. I'm not sure what the big deal is - if he doesn't play, he doesn't get the money. Why is this a problem for some? Should I also be demanding money from NBA? I am not tall enough, strong enough or skilled enough. But that shouldn't be a reason for me to not be paid by the league.

It's one thing if he was actually fired and kicked out of the league. But he hasn't been fired and kicked out of the league. He is just not being paid, because he is not fulfilling his contract. He can come back and start receiving salary once he "feels better".

Mental health is health, bro.

Try to reconsider your post with that in mind? Health? Like an injury?

Im trying my best to break it down to its simplest form- because thats just what it is, regardless of what your reality says. And regardless of how much anger or jealousy you may temporarily have.

I think what the NBAPA is going to get is to not have mental health related missed games be anymore covered by teams but by private insureances, maybe mutualized somehow by the union.
And then good luck at having a disease recognized by them, no more BS with the teams

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[SecondTake]

You just sound jealous, extremely jealous.

Situations effect people in different ways. If he is having a true mental health issue that isn’t conducive to performing in from of millions of people then the contract allows for that.


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No he doesn't. Just extremely realistic. I'm not sure what the big deal is - if he doesn't play, he doesn't get the money. Why is this a problem for some? Should I also be demanding money from NBA? I am not tall enough, strong enough or skilled enough. But that shouldn't be a reason for me to not be paid by the league.

It's one thing if he was actually fired and kicked out of the league. But he hasn't been fired and kicked out of the league. He is just not being paid, because he is not fulfilling his contract. He can come back and start receiving salary once he "feels better".

Mental health is health, bro.

Try to reconsider your post with that in mind? Health? Like an injury?

Im trying my best to break it down to its simplest form- because thats just what it is, regardless of what your reality says. And regardless of how much anger or jealousy you may temporarily have.

Stop anthropomorphizing millionaire superstar athletes. Once youre that rich in your 20s you have no excuses. I don't wanna hear about the mental health of a rich 20 something.

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[azcatz11]

Right we all have family members going through difficult times. For many of us that leads to compassion and understanding.

It's a hell of a coincidence though that he's going thru all of this now...the same time he wants to be traded.

It's funny that way how tough times don't only come when its convenient or acceptable to judgmental people on the internet.... Really wish we could choose exactly how and when tough times come upon us so that those who don't see others as human won't have to be bothered about the timing of things that have zero impact on them.

Dude we're on a forum giving our opinions, come on. It's not like he's reading this crap anyways. If you disagree, that's fine. I'm just saying it's an extreme coincidence. And has it even been reported that his family issues are a cause for all of this or is that just people 'assuming?'

[bbalnation]

No he doesn't. Just extremely realistic. I'm not sure what the big deal is - if he doesn't play, he doesn't get the money. Why is this a problem for some? Should I also be demanding money from NBA? I am not tall enough, strong enough or skilled enough. But that shouldn't be a reason for me to not be paid by the league.

It's one thing if he was actually fired and kicked out of the league. But he hasn't been fired and kicked out of the league. He is just not being paid, because he is not fulfilling his contract. He can come back and start receiving salary once he "feels better".

Mental health is health, bro.

Try to reconsider your post with that in mind? Health? Like an injury?

Im trying my best to break it down to its simplest form- because thats just what it is, regardless of what your reality says. And regardless of how much anger or jealousy you may temporarily have.

Stop anthropomorphizing millionaire superstar athletes. Once youre that rich in your 20s you have no excuses. I don't wanna hear about the mental health of a rich 20 something.

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Money buys you access to mental health services. Ben is using them now. You can question why hes using them instead of before when he acquired his millions.

Guess what.

Thats not how seeking mental health treatment works for everyone. Millionaire or not. Stigma is one of many reasons why people don't.

Not everyone is Demar or Kevin Love, where they're comfortable going through it then openly speaking about it. Everyone has different stories. Everyone has different lived experiences.

[Nuntius]

He's trying, though he's not being successful. He refuses to play for them, which wouldn't even bother me (other than the general idea that he signed a contract and is not being a professional) if he declined his salary, but he wants his salary too, and now is using any lame ass method he can to get out of playing but continuing to get paid.

And maybe the Sixers want to keep him now. Maybe they don't, but would like him to play to increase his trade value. Frankly, I don't care. It's their right as a team to do expect him to play or trade him per the contract he signed with them. He signed a contract knowing that any of these situations were a possibility. If he didn't want to deal with this situation, don't sign a contract to play in the NBA. He can go off and live off the grid and practice artisan woodworking for all that I care.

None of the above is keeping the Sixers hostage, though. Want an example of a player keeping a team hostage? AD with NOLA and Kawhi with the Spurs. In these cases, the franchises would love to keep the player but the player in question was very clear that he wanted out. That can be seen as keeping a team hostage, yes.

This, though? Again, the Sixers do not actually want to keep Simmons. They want to trade him. They do not believe that they can win with him and, frankly, I do not blame them. If I was a Sixers fan, I'd want the team to trade him as well. But as Salmons to Rose said, I'd also be livid at how this situation has played out so far.

Where are you getting this from? The 76ers have been steadfast on wanting to keep Ben. The only time they looked at trading him I'm aware of was after his demand and when they had a shot at adding James Harden. None of this indicates they don't think they can win with him or that they want to trade him.

His coach's comments after game 7 were pretty clear:

Watch on YouTube

The Sixers also clearly looked at trading Simmons this off-season. It's why they fielded so many offers in the first place. Both sides want to move on. I'm not sure why so many people in this thread are pretending otherwise.