2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 3)

[Blacksheep25]

It’s interesting how all of the Cavs improvements are being attributed to Mobley. Obviously he’s been a huge factor, but people are ignoring how much Garland and Allen have improved this year

They’ve been taken a huge step and Allen is likely an All Star this year. But somehow their contributions are being overlooked and Mobley is apparently the only reason behind the reason for the Cavs success

No one is overlooking them. They were on the team last year. They are greatly improved. Love both. If you think Garland getting better has anything to do with a team finishing 28 or worse in defense for the last six years and now top 5, it doesn’t. Allen does, but Mobley is superior on defense to Allen. He simply is as his ability to guard the perimeter and contest shots is unheard of. Allen is the better overall player today, and those guys and others are integral to the success, but Mobley is largest factor by a mile.

Ok so then you agree though that Mobley isn’t the sole reason of the Cavs winning record right? Cause that’s what it appears Cavs fans have been saying in order to support their argument of Mobley being “3 tiers higher” than Barnes

I said it explicitly in my first post and I said he doesn’t get credit for all the improvement. That there are other factors. He’s simply the biggest factor by a huge margin.

[Bruin]

No one is overlooking them. They were on the team last year. They are greatly improved. Love both. If you think Garland getting better has anything to do with a team finishing 28 or worse in defense for the last six years and now top 5, it doesn’t. Allen does, but Mobley is superior on defense to Allen. He simply is as his ability to guard the perimeter and contest shots is unheard of. Allen is the better overall player today, and those guys and others are integral to the success, but Mobley is largest factor by a mile.

Ok so then you agree though that Mobley isn’t the sole reason of the Cavs winning record right? Cause that’s what it appears Cavs fans have been saying in order to support their argument of Mobley being “3 tiers higher” than Barnes

I said it explicitly in my first post and I said he doesn’t get credit for all the improvement. That there are other factors. He’s simply the biggest factor by a huge margin.

He’s a huge factor for sure. But to say he’s the biggest factor by a huge margin seems pretty disrespectful to Allen especially. Anyways, as long as we’re in agreement that Mobley isn’t the only reason for the Cavs overachieving expectations

[Roger Murdock]

Mobley's impact goes far above the stat sheet. He's had quarters where hes been our best player where he doesnt score a point and gets like 1 rebound. Hes just always in the right place at the right time on both sides of the ball.

Guys a 10 year vet already. We shouldn't be talking about him in a rookie thread.

[ROballer]

But they’re 0-4 when he didn’t and weren’t close to the same team. He’s the single largest factor that was added

Is this still a thing? Please...

They played the Phoenix Suns during the peak of the winning streak, the Warriors and the Brooklyn Nets twice.

I really wish he had played, this narrative of the 0-4 record without needs to cease. Or at least put some context to it.

They had a bad luck ending up in a terrible scheduling session but the most likely scenario is that the record would've been the same as it is now. But I guess it's ok to use as an agenda.

Oh, and you're wrong. They lost by 5 points against the Suns and 5 and 10 points against the Nets. Only against the Warriors it wasn't close. While missing some other guys as well, not just Mobley.

They are a much better team with him for sure but some literally act they're a 55 win team with and 10 team without him. That simply isn't the case. Like it's not fair to over prop some of the guys(eg like Allen for the defense), it's also not fair to downgrade their contribution.

This isn't a one man team. Not even close.

They lost by 5 to the Suns. Iirc, even going into the fourth. Yeah he probably makes the difference in 2 of those 4 on average. He’s simply that good. It’s why they’re 15-8 when he plays. It’s why bref has them as favorites to win East right now. I don’t agree with that. Think they’re more fifth, but when they’ve lost, they’ve barely lost after the first few games. When they win, they are winning big.

Or not? You can't contextualize stuff like winning or losing because one player "is that good" or isn't.
Just before the losing streak(it was a 5 game L streak, he played in the first game), he shot 0-11 and the Cavs lost the game. With him.

Just like you say he'd probably be a factor and the Cavs would've won 2/4, I say he would have been a factor but they would have still lost because the teams they played against were elite. It's your opinion versus mine, nobody being right or wrong here.

The main points are is A) Those 4 games are not a narrative to mold into an agenda for the ROY campaign.
B) Cavs weren't really miles off without him(and others)like you posted. Worse, sure. Hardly non combat though, even if they lost all 4 games.


He's still the ROY for now though.

[ocelot17]

Sengun is the best rookie center. Imagine what he would do if he played thirty minutes a game.

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[cupcakesnake]

Sengun is the best rookie center. Imagine what he would do if he played thirty minutes a game.

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These passing highlights are unbelievable. He's one of the best shovel passers I've ever seen. He really tricks the defense on almost all those highlights.

[ROballer]

Sengun is the best rookie center. Imagine what he would do if he played thirty minutes a game.

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Unfortunately we were 2-3 more losses away before we could find out.

Silas clearly chickened out and started playing more vet rotations because he was fearful for his job.
2-3 more losses on top of that losing streak and his ass would've been fired.

He's simply not good enough of a coach. The development of their young players has gone sideways, he either doesn't give them enough minutes(Sengun, Garuba, Christopher, Martin) or the ones with minutes (Porter and Green) have sucked ass because of his simplistic, ISO heavy, AAU type offensive system.
It's really not about winning. Nobody is expecting you to win with that roster. But you can still lose while developing your future.
He hasn't done that.

[Blacksheep25]

Is this still a thing? Please...

They played the Phoenix Suns during the peak of the winning streak, the Warriors and the Brooklyn Nets twice.

I really wish he had played, this narrative of the 0-4 record without needs to cease. Or at least put some context to it.

They had a bad luck ending up in a terrible scheduling session but the most likely scenario is that the record would've been the same as it is now. But I guess it's ok to use as an agenda.

Oh, and you're wrong. They lost by 5 points against the Suns and 5 and 10 points against the Nets. Only against the Warriors it wasn't close. While missing some other guys as well, not just Mobley.

They are a much better team with him for sure but some literally act they're a 55 win team with and 10 team without him. That simply isn't the case. Like it's not fair to over prop some of the guys(eg like Allen for the defense), it's also not fair to downgrade their contribution.

This isn't a one man team. Not even close.

They lost by 5 to the Suns. Iirc, even going into the fourth. Yeah he probably makes the difference in 2 of those 4 on average. He’s simply that good. It’s why they’re 15-8 when he plays. It’s why bref has them as favorites to win East right now. I don’t agree with that. Think they’re more fifth, but when they’ve lost, they’ve barely lost after the first few games. When they win, they are winning big.

Or not? You can't contextualize stuff like winning or losing because one player "is that good" or isn't.
Just before the losing streak(it was a 5 game L streak, he played in the first game), he shot 0-11 and the Cavs lost the game. With him.

Just like you say he'd probably be a factor and the Cavs would've won 2/4, I say he would have been a factor but they would have still lost because the teams they played against were elite. It's your opinion versus mine, nobody being right or wrong here.

The main points are is A) Those 4 games are not a narrative to mold into an agenda for the ROY campaign.
B) Cavs weren't really miles off without him(and others)like you posted. Worse, sure. Hardly non combat though, even if they lost all 4 games.


He's still the ROY for now though.

I said I think they probably win. I watched all the games. With exception of Golden State, all came down to last minute. They took a 13 point lead into 4th against GS, but got flat blown out.

I can’t know it, hence the word probable.

What I know is he’s the best rookie basketball player by a wide margin thus far in every way that matters to winning. It’s not close.

ROY is a clownish award. He likely wins it, but it’s voted on by people of varying knowledge, so it can’t be known until it’s known. Hes the best basketball player among rookies by every metric that leads to winning basketball games. That is obvious and it’s not close.

I’d prefer people to not fully understand that yet. It’s been super profitable. They’re 20-6 against the spread. Everyone is slow to adjust to something novel. True superstars are like black swan stock market events. If you’re quick to contextualize what you’re seeing, it’s extremely profitable. No one will doubt how good he is in a few months if he stays healthy.

[Tripod]

Sengun is the best rookie center. Imagine what he would do if he played thirty minutes a game.

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These passing highlights are unbelievable. He's one of the best shovel passers I've ever seen. He really tricks the defense on almost all those highlights.

Great highlights!

As a fan who is suffering watching Achiuwa, this makes my so envious.

[Bruin]

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[Bruin]

Sengun is the best rookie center. Imagine what he would do if he played thirty minutes a game.

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Kids definitely an insane passer. I’m a huge Jokic fan cause of how he plays, so it’s hard to not be a fan of Sengun. Love seeing him play

[DCasey91]

Guys cmon not in irl.

[SOUL]

Stat padder Franz Wagner with 20/3/3 on 80% shooting tonight! He said don't forget about me for ROY!

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[zaymon]

Wagner always got to the rim but now he started to finish better. Arguably best rookie on offense and second best on defense

[SOUL]

Sengun having himself a sick game

[Blacksheep25]

Cavs were up 30 at half and went to sleep, but man Davion made me actually worry about the outcome for a minute there. He was in Garlands face and head the entire second half and made him play a horrible half. Really tenacious defender when he turns it on. I’d have him doing that more if I were Gentry.

If the rest of the Kings played with half his intensity they’d really be something. Everyone else is soft. It’s like he’s on the wrong team

[holdenwait]

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22 minutes
15 points (5/8 FG%)
6 rebounds
6 assists
3 blocks
1 steal
3 turnovers

in weird nba stats of the day: youngest player to post a 15-6-6-3-1 stat line

bonus content: post whistle, back turned to basket, no look made basket lol

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[SOUL]

Sengun looks like he's made out of rubber when he's out there, such a funny/fun guy to watch

[ThatBoyNick]

Sengun looks like he's made out of rubber when he's out there, such a funny/fun guy to watch

[basketballRob]

Houston isn't starting Sengun so they can build Wood's value this season.

Just imagine the Warriors could have drafted Sengun and Wagner.

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