2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1)

[Hello Brooklyn]

Steph honestly had it in the bag. If he just put up his normal stats and the Ws stayed good he wins it running away.

Now its up in the air. Still Steph can recover and get it back.

[MrBigShot]

It's KD's award to lose at this point.

[cupcakesnake]

Its and Anteto-KD fight

curry is out right now with a per of 21 or similar

Jokic-Embiid and LEbron need better team records.

This is probably accurate at the moment.

I didn't realize quite how bad Steph's cold spell had gotten until watching last night and then checking the numbers. Brutal start to 2022, and he hasn't been putting up MVP numbers since November.

He's certainly in a shooting slump, but he's far from "out" (PER? Really guys?), and still the Vegas favorite for a reason. He also still rates fantastic in BPM/VORP/RAPTOR/EPM (6th/3rd/2nd/2nd); clearly MVP level even without the fact that he's by far the best player on a top 2 team in the NBA that was projected as the West 6 seed.

If his shooting slump continues he would eventually fall out, but he built enough of a gap that he's still the lean favorite. And generally it's post ASB that Curry starts to really get into form. We shall see.

Lol don't quote me with PER! One person said PER, not "guys?" !

But I agree with the part "out right now", as long as out just means, he's probably dropped a couple rungs to 3rd or 4th. Obviously the season isn't over and we typically talk about this stuff as quick snapshot of wherever the season is at right now. Curry's cold shooting has been brutal and trending down. But anyone who thinks it's unlikely Curry will catch fire again at some point this season is probably wrong.

Right now, 2021-22 season Curry is just not shooting the ball at his usual MVP level. It's one of his least efficient shooting seasons ever. Like you say though, he hasn't fallen much in the catch-all metrics, but he was the clear 2nd best player (behind Jokic) early in the season, and now he's joined the pack in the top 5.

Curry will go on a tear at some point and create a second wave of MVP buzz. But I don't think he merits MVP buzz right now, in the doldrums of a brutal cold shooting spell. Curry still bring a ton of value even when he's cold because it's not like defenses stop reacting to the threat of his shot. I'm not saying Curry isn't great right now, just that the cold shooting should temporarily put a damper on his MVP buzz.

[SeattleJazzFan]

curry's greatness (and when i say greatness, i'm talking top 10 all time NBA player) is based on is ridiculous efficiency. if he's not elite in terms of scoring efficiency, he's not in that elite tier of nba players. he doesn't do enough in other areas of the game - rebounding, facilitating, defense - to warrant MVP consideration if his efficiency isn't elite - he's basically damian lillard (dame in a normal year) right now. which heck, is still a great player and a high tier all-star, but it's a step down from the steph we're used to seeing.

[Ballerhogger]

If Ja gets Memphis past Utah in the standings does he have mvp case?

[SeattleJazzFan]

If Ja gets Memphis past Utah in the standings does he have mvp case?

if he keeps up his current pace, he'd have to be in the conversation.

[Ballerhogger]

If Ja gets Memphis past Utah in the standings does he have mvp case?

if he keeps up his current pace, he'd have to be in the conversation.

yea hes having great year 25 ppg 6.6 ast at 49% shooting. Leading his team 5th in league in scoring. There only 3 games back of utah who just lost gobert for 10 days.

[eminence]

If Ja gets Memphis past Utah in the standings does he have mvp case?

if he keeps up his current pace, he'd have to be in the conversation.

yea hes having great year 25 ppg 6.6 ast at 49% shooting. Leading his team 5th in league in scoring. There only 2 games back of utah who just lost gobert for 10 days.

3 games back on Utah.

[Ballerhogger]

if he keeps up his current pace, he'd have to be in the conversation.

yea hes having great year 25 ppg 6.6 ast at 49% shooting. Leading his team 5th in league in scoring. There only 2 games back of utah who just lost gobert for 10 days.

3 games back on Utah.

correction 3 games back, Utah plays toronto which is very winnable but will be tough out, Pacers should be a win.... and Detroit a win....

[baksuzz]

I dont think memphis will end up being top2 in order for him to win the MVP. But he is gonna win MIP unless ge gets hurt

[Marrrcuss]

Curry's still the frontrunner. His team still has the best record in the league despite missing a HOFer and a number 2 pick. The guys' impact has never been able to be measured using stats.

He’s had dreadful month. He’s not the front runner

He has beaten down all of the top teams head to head this month. That matters in the MVP race.

Does it matter how HE did in those games or is this the Tom Brady premise?

[Ballerhogger]

He’s had dreadful month. He’s not the front runner

He has beaten down all of the top teams head to head this month. That matters in the MVP race.

Does it matter how HE did in those games or is this the Tom Brady premise?

Also on 2 game Ls and have to play the cavs next. Just lost to the pelicans .

[WarriorGM]

He has beaten down all of the top teams head to head this month. That matters in the MVP race.

Does it matter how HE did in those games or is this the Tom Brady premise?

Also on 2 game Ls and have to play the cavs next. Just lost to the pelicans .

Just to make things clear, for you does it help or hinder Steph's case that he wasn't playing in the game against the Pelicans?

[Ballerhogger]

Does it matter how HE did in those games or is this the Tom Brady premise?

Also on 2 game Ls and have to play the cavs next. Just lost to the pelicans .

Just to make things clear, for you does it help or hinder Steph's case that he wasn't playing in the game against the Pelicans?

it doesnt help him since his record is the main reason hes in top 4 for mvp this year. Hes had horrible shooting month but his team has weathered the storm mostly.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Does it matter how HE did in those games or is this the Tom Brady premise?

Also on 2 game Ls and have to play the cavs next. Just lost to the pelicans .

Just to make things clear, for you does it help or hinder Steph's case that he wasn't playing in the game against the Pelicans?

hinder. the best ability is availability. but keep in mind you asked if it helps or hinders. it does hinder, but not enough to matter - iow, if they finish in first place, the fact he missed a few games that they ended up losing will irrelevant. but if he were to miss enough games to where they dropped to 4th or 5th place for example - that absolutely hurts him.

[eminence]

yea hes having great year 25 ppg 6.6 ast at 49% shooting. Leading his team 5th in league in scoring. There only 2 games back of utah who just lost gobert for 10 days.

3 games back on Utah.

correction 3 games back, Utah plays toronto which is very winnable but will be tough out, Pacers should be a win.... and Detroit a win....

Oh Utah almost certainly loses tonight - all of Gobert, Mitchell, Bojan, Ingles, Conley, and Whiteside are out. With the other regular rotation guys listed as questionable.

Team appears to be throwing the game to try to avoid getting anybody stuck in Canada with a Covid positive.

[Ballerhogger]

3 games back on Utah.

correction 3 games back, Utah plays toronto which is very winnable but will be tough out, Pacers should be a win.... and Detroit a win....

Oh Utah almost certainly loses tonight - all of Gobert, Mitchell, Bojan, Ingles, Conley, and Whiteside are out. With the other regular rotation guys listed as questionable.

Team appears to be throwing the game to try to avoid getting anybody stuck in Canada with a Covid positive.

Well in that case its a loss didnt know that..

[Cubbies2120]

yea hes having great year 25 ppg 6.6 ast at 49% shooting. Leading his team 5th in league in scoring. There only 2 games back of utah who just lost gobert for 10 days.

3 games back on Utah.

correction 3 games back, Utah plays toronto which is very winnable but will be tough out, Pacers should be a win.... and Detroit a win....

Utah are 11.5 point underdogs tonight given who they're missing. That's pretty huge.

[Shock Defeat]

Steph is shooting career lows in FG and 3P%, he is not mVP

[shoresy69]

If the season ended today it's gotta be Giannis