CobraCommander wrote:Bob8 wrote:CobraCommander wrote:Y’all want Luka to be on another level so bad that y’all can’t even see he is just like 6 other guys - no better and no worse (except defensively lol)
I recognize Luka is a great but I also don’t think his 60 pt game was any better than Embiids or Giannis games and it was not as good at Mitchell’s-
Tatum is a much better defender and his team was winning more and he plays for the BOSTON Celtics - that gives him the same boost a laker gets that a Mav or a buck or a nugget doesn’t get -
No one objectively sees Luka as MJ… he is one of many… not the best and not the worse… stop seeing one guy and acknowledge the other great players
Let's compare him to Tatum, your second best player. Stats, you were using to prove your point in the past, show he's better in everything, advanced stats a lot better.
https://stathead.com/tiny/o8hgZ
Jokic is the only player with comparable season to Luka. Anything can change of course. I doubt very much that Luka can play the whole RS with that usage doing what he's doing now. He's the whole system, it's become normal for him to play the whole second half and has to work hard in D too. Mavs are playing RS like it's playoffs already, all games close. His body won't last that kind of stress.
Bob- I’m not saying Tatum is the second best player -
I said he is (or was) second in MVP voting because he is a great two way, on best team in league, previously in finals, had great stats and IS PLAYING in BOSTON. I’m not saying Tatum is second best in world. I think objectively, Giannis is second to Jokic and after that there are a bunch of guys that include Luka that can be considered right below Jokic and Giannis…
Embiid, Luka, Curry, healthy AD, KD… and to to a lesser degree Zion, Ja, Mitchell, Booker, Siakim, butler etc etc etc… the league is stacked-
And Curry, KD and AD healthy are definitely serious threats on any given day to be the best player on earth as proven by them winning rings…
I don’t want you to misunderstand me- i don’t care who wins because there are 5-6 worthy candidates at this point.
It’s a fun debate but I have no damn idea who is going to or even who should win! I think jokic but…
To sum up this debate. You used advanced stats few weeks ago to make a case why Jokic is better than Doncic, but you don't care about those same stats anymore, even if some candidates are light years worse than Luka/Jokic in those same stats?
My I remind you, that you were 100% sure that Luka is completely out of the race just 10 days ago.
