MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

Sulico · Post #821 » by **Sulico** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:34 pm

Totally hooked on Luka. I feel like I'm Mavs fan, and that's a scary thought.
Here's great analysis of his game and his stats as of now.

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Ballerhogger · Post #822 » by **Ballerhogger** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:43 pm

jg77 wrote:This is Giannis' award. LeBron doesn't deserve to be in the conversation with AD on his team, imo.

Weak argument

Ballerhogger · Post #823 » by **Ballerhogger** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:45 pm

Repeat MVPs are harder than to come by .

greekbuck34 · Post #824 » by **greekbuck34** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:53 pm

Colbinii wrote:
greekbuck34 wrote:Giannis could use a guy who could put 41p with DPOY defense on his team if he is a limitation for MVP Lebron.

Basketball isn't a 2 person game.

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When you have 2 top 5 players in the 5 man lineup it is for the majority of the games.

Lakers are not full of scrabs either. Danny Green, Howard, Kuzma, Mc Gee, Avery Bradley, KCP, Caruso and Rondo (when he is healthy) are good to great role players.

Vsauce12 · Post #825 » by **Vsauce12** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:58 pm

Ballerhogger wrote:Repeat MVPs are harder than to come by .

No they’re not, they’re fairly common. Duncan, Nash, lebron, Steph. All these repeat MVPs in the 2000s

Dupp · Post #826 » by **Dupp** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:25 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
greekbuck34 wrote:Giannis could use a guy who could put 41p with DPOY defense on his team if he is a limitation for MVP Lebron.

Basketball isn't a 2 person game.

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When you have 2 top 5 players in the 5 man lineup it is for the majority of the games.

Lakers are not full of scrabs either. Danny Green, Howard, Kuzma, Mc Gee, Avery Bradley, KCP, Caruso and Rondo (when he is healthy) are good to great role players.

What exactly is rondo good at?

Colbinii · Post #827 » by **Colbinii** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:31 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
greekbuck34 wrote:Giannis could use a guy who could put 41p with DPOY defense on his team if he is a limitation for MVP Lebron.

Basketball isn't a 2 person game.

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When you have 2 top 5 players in the 5 man lineup it is for the majority of the games.

Lakers are not full of scrabs either. Danny Green, Howard, Kuzma, Mc Gee, Avery Bradley, KCP, Caruso and Rondo (when he is healthy) are good to great role players.

McGee and Rondo are simply not good role players.

McGee is similar to Robin Lopez while Rondo is worse than all rotation players on the Bucks.

While some of these guys are "nice" role players they aren't legitimate 3rd options on a title contender. When going back the past few seasons, the Lakers 3rd best player is worse than Siakam, Thompson/Green, Love amd Gordon. They are worse than Bledsoe though Lopez has had a slow start to the season thus far [while Dwight has outplayed him].

Ignoring Giannis/LeBron/Middleton/Davis, the next best players are Bledsoe, Howard, Lopez, Hill and Green. I think this year the order is Howard, Hill, Bledsoe, Green and Lopez. The next group of guys is led by Connaughton and Ersan followed by Bradley, Kuzma, Divincenzo, Matthews, KCP and Caruso in some order. Players like Rondo, McGee, Korver, Lopez and Brown really are "end of the bench" so to speak.

We will see how the season plays out but beyond current record [where the Bucks have beat a handful of good teams without their stars] the Bucks will miss out on having a second star. I think that alone could bring Milwaukee down a peg in wins which will hurt Giannis.

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Dupp · Post #828 » by **Dupp** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:38 pm

I think most people think Giannis is the mvp right now anyway. The problem is the arguments why lebron shouldn’t be considered aren’t good ones.

mademan · Post #829 » by **mademan** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:43 pm

Dupp wrote:I think most people think Giannis is the mvp right now anyway. The problem is the arguments why lebron shouldn’t be considered aren’t good ones.

I agree, but Lebron should not be considered. It shouldnt be because of AD, becuase in a Giannis-less league, i think Lebron is the front runner right now. He's just up against a GOAT type talent having a GOAT like season

TD75 · Post #830 » by **TD75** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:44 pm

Dupp wrote:I think most people think Giannis is the mvp right now anyway. The problem is the arguments why lebron shouldn’t be considered aren’t good ones.

This is mainly because the award itself is not well defined. There are always ways to tear down arguments if there is no pre-agreed consensus in what the criteria for an MVP are (and their weight on deciding the award).

That is perfectly fine though. The award serves its purpose, which is to generate content for the league/media.

Steelo Green · Post #831 » by **Steelo Green** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:47 pm

Jokic, Embiid, Lillard in the poll and no Siakam..

Perseus1966 · Post #832 » by **Perseus1966** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:48 pm

And i think Lou deserves a spot

Dupp · Post #833 » by **Dupp** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:51 pm

Yeah Lou is the goat.

Joey Wheeler · Post #834 » by **Joey Wheeler** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:51 pm

So far, should go to either Lebron James or Anthony Davis. Two best players in basketball, best record in the league, great in late game situations.

Perseus1966 · Post #835 » by **Perseus1966** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:02 pm

I am not impressed with their wins if you need 41 from Ad 26 ? from Lbj 3 tough 3pts from kouzma and an easy miss by Reddick to win pels then they have a problem .
Maybe its bucks effect (every scrub against us play like Mj) but i think it happens very often

Dupp · Post #836 » by **Dupp** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:07 pm

It’s interesting you mention Davis scoring 41. Lebron and the lakers were catering to Davis all night and the lakers were down big. It wasn’t until the fourth where lebron asserted himself on the game and they had a 14 point swing and the win.

jimmybones · Post #837 » by **jimmybones** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:19 pm

Colbinii wrote:
greekbuck34 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:Basketball isn't a 2 person game.

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When you have 2 top 5 players in the 5 man lineup it is for the majority of the games.

Lakers are not full of scrabs either. Danny Green, Howard, Kuzma, Mc Gee, Avery Bradley, KCP, Caruso and Rondo (when he is healthy) are good to great role players.

McGee and Rondo are simply not good role players.

McGee is similar to Robin Lopez while Rondo is worse than all rotation players on the Bucks.

While some of these guys are "nice" role players they aren't legitimate 3rd options on a title contender. When going back the past few seasons, the Lakers 3rd best player is worse than Siakam, Thompson/Green, Love amd Gordon. They are worse than Bledsoe though Lopez has had a slow start to the season thus far [while Dwight has outplayed him].

Ignoring Giannis/LeBron/Middleton/Davis, the next best players are Bledsoe, Howard, Lopez, Hill and Green. I think this year the order is Howard, Hill, Bledsoe, Green and Lopez. The next group of guys is led by Connaughton and Ersan followed by Bradley, Kuzma, Divincenzo, Matthews, KCP and Caruso in some order. Players like Rondo, McGee, Korver, Lopez and Brown really are "end of the bench" so to speak.

We will see how the season plays out but beyond current record [where the Bucks have beat a handful of good teams without their stars] the Bucks will miss out on having a second star. I think that alone could bring Milwaukee down a peg in wins which will hurt Giannis.

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Lopez isn’t shooting great to start the year but he’s really important to what the Bucks do on D and is an elite rim protector. No way he’s last of that second tier.

yoyoboy · Post #838 » by **yoyoboy** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:35 pm

Yeah it’s perfectly reasonable to have Giannis as the MVP leader right now. The issue is that lots of you guys are making terrible First Take-esque arguments for his case.

daswunderboy · Post #839 » by **daswunderboy** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:49 pm

Dupp wrote:Yeah Lou is the goat.

Lou is the GOAT off the court, lol. On the court, great for his role.

My ranking right now:

Giannis
Harden
Lebron
Davis

Luka
Siakim

nikster · Post #840 » by **nikster** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:50 pm

greekbuck34 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
greekbuck34 wrote:Giannis could use a guy who could put 41p with DPOY defense on his team if he is a limitation for MVP Lebron.

Basketball isn't a 2 person game.

Sent from my SM-G960U using RealGM mobile app

When you have 2 top 5 players in the 5 man lineup it is for the majority of the games.

Lakers are not full of scrabs either. Danny Green, Howard, Kuzma, Mc Gee, Avery Bradley, KCP, Caruso and Rondo (when he is healthy) are good to great role players.

I don't think Caruso, Rondo, McGee, Kuzma or KCP are good. Are they much better than replacement level? Don't think any except maybe McGee would even crack the Bucks rotation

Who is your pick for the 2019-20 MVP?