ShaqAttac wrote:lessthanjake wrote:ShaqAttac wrote:PER. r u serious? why u tryna act like putting up shots on a average off makes you a star? boston's o literally GOT BETTER when russell left coz hondo started cookin. bro played 25 mpg for a reason. u like to talk about watchin the game. well 70's did and he say sam jones wasnt all that. but ig coz u saw his bbr, he was actually secretly amazin. ofc u wont keep that energy for mj when his team was still better than russ's without mj n Grant. An actual star who was actually important to his team.
Even if Sam Jones wasn’t as good as he was before, remember that this is a guy who was rated 56th all time in the last RealGM Top 100. He doesn’t even have to be all that close to his best for his absence to make a very significant difference. And losing your 2nd or 3rd biggest scorer is obviously a serious issue in general. It’s just not honest to assert that the difference between those two teams just came down to Russell as a player. They also lost their 2nd or 3rd leading scorer, and they also lost Russell the coach, with a 1st-year coach replacing him.
Anyways, I’d reiterate a request that you make sense of the simultaneous position that LeBron winning against the 2016 Warriors was the greatest accomplishment ever, and also Steph Curry is not really all that great. Make it make sense.
bro do u just say **** to say ****? where did realgm vote shaq? were the cavs stacked coz they got top 10 all-time player shaq on there? HE WAS A ROLE PLAYER. THATS WHY HE WAS PLAYING 25 MPG. what significant **** difference did shaq make on the cavs or boston? You're literally throwing out PER about a team that was only good coz of their DEFENSE. no whats not honest is u tryna sit up and say that actually the team that was bad without russell was good because a bro was 56th for his CAREER and put up pee pee gee
You’re jumping through hoops to try to argue that missing Sam Jones wasn’t important at all. Sam Jones in 1969 was not Cleveland Cavaliers Shaq. He was not even close to as far off from his peak numbers as Cavaliers Shaq was. Nor was Shaq the 2nd or 3rd leading scorer on the Cavaliers.
I don’t understand why you’re talking about them being good because of their defense. Was Sam Jones a good defender? Do you even know? And is scoring not still important for a good defensive team?
and yeah they lost their coach. aka BILL RUSSELL who won 2 chips coaching AND playing. are you tryna tell me that makes it less impressive? R u tellin me his successor wasnt good?
No, I’m saying that evaluating Bill Russell as a player should be separate from him as a coach. And either way, first-year coaches tend to not do all that well, and that’s what the Celtics had the year after Russell left. That’s a significant issue.
I also NEVER SAID 2016 was the GREATEST ACCOMPLISHMENT EVER. why do you dweebs keep puttin words in my mouth. I said it's better than anything mj or steph did and I literally replied to you pointin out Draymond stepped up huge, the warriors mighta won 2 playoff series without steph, and then Dray, not steph, almost led the dubs past the cavs anyway. If the warriors won dray would a rightfully won fmvp. bron beatin the WARRIORS can still be awesome even if STEPH is not as awesome because STEPH aint THE WARRIORS. You say the warriors average coz wowwy, but wowy say the cavs were terrible. why does steph have to be top 10 for bron beatin the WARRIORS to be awesome?
So your position is basically that beating the 2016 Warriors was better than anything Michael Jordan or Steph Curry has ever done, because Draymond Green was just playing so well in the finals/playoffs that overcoming the greatness of Draymond Green was a historically monumental achievement? Really? You’re twisting yourself in a pretzel trying to praise LeBron for beating the Warriors without praising Steph.
