bruddahmanmatt wrote:The previous four-team trade was already debunked as a pure smokescreen when Denver backed out "because they didn't want to take on Kirilenko's contract"...AFTER THEY WERE THE ONES WHO PROPOSED TAKING ON KIRILENKO IN THE FIRST PLACE. Come on man. The Nuggets FO has been doing and saying some seriously suspect things, sliding in last minute demands, changing up the terms, making threats.
by all accounts, the nuggets FO was willing to make that deal. but when they took it to the owner....he said 'screw that, i'm not adding salary this season and paying a massive luxury tax bill to make our team worse'....so taking kirilenko and his 18 million was no longer an option, so they had to reconstruct the deal to try to get more savings. which is why you see billups and more players involved. since raising the cumulative moving salaries allows the nets to take on significantly more salary, which allows the nuggets to lose significantly more, which allows them the chance to get good players/picks while also getting under the luxury tax this season.
Why even drag the Knicks into the conversation when from all outward appearances it looks like New York has taken on an "it's on you Denver" approach? Doesn't make sense. New York is Melo's preferred destination anyway. If Denver was serious about doing a deal with the Knicks it would have been done already.
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some of the leverage they have against the nets (along with the fact that the nuggets have the guy the nets covet and are willing to give up half their roster for). and its great leverage, since the nets know melo would choose the knicks over them. so the nuggets, right or wrong, used it to try to shut all the leaks up.
They'd be compensated for a guy who's obviously on his way out and that would be that. Instead they're intent on dragging this whole thing out for whatever reason. The closer they get to the deadline, the more they risk potential suitors saying "F it" and shutting down talks leaving the Nuggets with nothing but a fat trade exception for Anthony come next summer.
we've been through this before in a number of threads.
nets aren't gonna pack their bags and leave the table because negotiations are too hard. how long do you think prokhorov would employ someone who gave up when the going got a little too tough? seriously. 'mr. prokhorov....we can't get these diamonds out of your mine since we have to dig through 4 feet of quartz to get to them. we're just gonna give up and let the diamonds stay where they are' that nets offer is on the table until the trade deadline, and the nuggets know it.
It simply does not add up. Trades are either happening, not happening or progressing towards one of the above. This much back-and-forth just stinks of BS posturing, and given that Denver hasn't been shy about conjuring up a BS trade in the past, why should we at all be surprised at them attempting to do the same again?
this is progressing towards happening. nuggets are just trying to squeeze $ savings into the deal, which has been one of their goals all along.
As far as Rose is concerned, for him it's all about his bottom line. He stands to lose a lot of money if Melo elects to roll the dice on free agency next summer. He wants Melo to take up an extension under the current CBA so he can get his cut. Why else would he be pushing for of all people, Richard Hamilton whom he also represents? Leon Rose probably no longer sees Melo in New York as a guaranteed thing anymore and so he's attempting to push Carmelo to take "the next best thing" in New Jersey (soon to be Brooklyn) with the promise that he'll get another one of the players he represents in CP3 there come Summer 2012.
agreed. which is why the nets are a great option for denver and most likely at some point in the next week or 6 weeks we'll see a trade come to fruition.
Never have I seen talks between two teams go through so many different variations (straight up deal, Utah and Charlotte, now Detroit) with absolutely nothing to show for it.
well...its very possible and probable that they happen like this all the time. the difference is that for most of the nba's history there wasn't the internet, twitter, 1000's of sportswriters & bloggers looking to get the scoop, incarcerated bob making stuff up and being right 5% of the time but people still believing every word, and a bunch of agents/fo employees with big mouths and blackberries. so all the posturing and threats and making last minute changes weren't seen by the public. the trade was what it was in the paper the morning after it was agreed upon, and it looked like it was put together in 2 hours the night before.
and fwiw, i thought the whole kobe thing was just as ridiculous as this. he was going to chicago, but wanted to play with deng, but the lakers didn't want so and so, and kobe was on youtube talking crap about bynum, and there was a whole sidetrack about him getting together to play with kg, and kobe wanted to play in msg, but he wanted talent there with him, and half the front office wanted to trade him and the other half didn't, and the bulls were thinking about just trading deng for pau gasol and trying to compete that way instead. it was a circus. and there wasn't even stein/broussard/woj giving twitter updates every 18 minutes back then.
