Andrew Wiggins, worst max player ever?

[bulliedog8]

Wiggins true value is TJ Warren Money. Replace the players and the wolves are the same or maybe a couple games better even.

[nbhadja]

Wiggins was always massively overrated at every step of the way including in high school where he would disappear for large stretches. It was apparent in high school that he was very overrated and nowhere as good as hyped, but people were just so hell bent on promoting the "next superstar" label on Wiggings that it took until a few years in the NBA for people to finally see how overrated he was. No one has benefited from undeserved hype as much as Wiggins. It is what led to him being unjustly the #1 pick and getting that outrageous max contract when it was clear that he was/is miles from a max player and will never be one. That hype allowed him to just keep failing upward.

[Edrees]

Wiggins in his first playoff series:

16/5r/2 on 44/33 shooting

Michael Jordan in his first playoff series:

29/6r/9 on 44/13 shooting

Factor in the fact that Michael Jordan didn't have Jimmy Butler and Towns and I think we have a really special scorer on our hands

Spoiler:

Fixed your statement based on the 9 to 2 assists difference

[PhilBlackson]

Hassan Whiteside must have overtaken him by now.

[kuclas]

Well what could Minnesota do? If they let Wiggins play out his 4th year. Supposed he would have done great. Another team could have offered him a 2 year deal with player option for 2nd year. Which means Minnesota would have been screwed cause had wiggins done great, Minnesota risks losing him with no compensation after the 5th year where Wiggins becomes unrestricted free agent.

Oladipo got traded cause Orlando did the opposite of Minnesota. Orlando didn't want to pay Oladipo. Now what does Orlando do with Aaron Gordon after Gordon played his 4th year.

Minnesota couldn't risk it.

[BR0D1E86]

Well what could Minnesota do? If they let Wiggins play out his 4th year. Supposed he would have done great. Another team could have offered him a 2 year deal with player option for 2nd year. Which means Minnesota would have been screwed cause had wiggins done great, Minnesota risks losing him with no compensation after the 5th year where Wiggins becomes unrestricted free agent.

Oladipo got traded cause Orlando did the opposite of Minnesota. Orlando didn't want to pay Oladipo. Now what does Orlando do with Aaron Gordon after Gordon played his 4th year.

Minnesota couldn't risk it.

There was very little evidence he was going to be great in his 4th year. He showed no improvement in the two prior seasons.

[immortalone23]

Well what could Minnesota do? If they let Wiggins play out his 4th year. Supposed he would have done great. Another team could have offered him a 2 year deal with player option for 2nd year. Which means Minnesota would have been screwed cause had wiggins done great, Minnesota risks losing him with no compensation after the 5th year where Wiggins becomes unrestricted free agent.

Oladipo got traded cause Orlando did the opposite of Minnesota. Orlando didn't want to pay Oladipo. Now what does Orlando do with Aaron Gordon after Gordon played his 4th year.

Minnesota couldn't risk it.

There was very little evidence he was going to be great in his 4th year. He showed no improvement in the two prior seasons.

Also, RFA have to sign at least a 3 year deal.


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[karkinos]

im definitely in the minority who still likes the potential wiggins has
*shrug*
bball iq isn't there but his talent is undeniable.

[Coxy]

im definitely in the minority who still likes the potential wiggins has
*shrug*
bball iq isn't there but his talent is undeniable.

For me, talent isn't the question, it's the on court effort that is most concerning. He's such a lazy player, and I've watched him enough to think the he mostly doesn't really care, especially when he doesn't have the ball.

[nbafan38]

im definitely in the minority who still likes the potential wiggins has
*shrug*
bball iq isn't there but his talent is undeniable.

Thats been the case with Westbrook for 10 years in the league and hasn't changed but Westbrooks talent is better than Wiggins so he's been able to get away with more in terms of poor bball iq.

[Darren]

He'd be on the Minny roster for the rest of this contract anyway. I don't expect Minny to part with 2 firsts to shield his contract. In case it is, I can see some teams with cap rooms to absorb him. Put it that way, Ryan Anderson on 17M per contract at 26 years' old, teams look for at least 2-3 firsts. Andrew Wiggins on 28M per contract at 24 years' old. I expect something similar. Young teams may still bet on his potential. So I say 2 firsts for 17M of his contract. Teams bet on his upside with 10M per.

[AssistRubio]

Zeitgiester was a HUGE Thibs fan last year. He would criticize anyone who thought Thibs was doing a bad job on the old KFAN forum. Now that basically everyone in the world agrees Thibs is horrific his tune has changed. Make no mistake though you were pretty much his no.1 supporter as recently as last year. You were also a massive Rubio critic and thought he was one of the Wolves biggest problems. What now Zeitgiester?

[Unbreakable99]

Wiggins is so trash. He’s one of the worst players in the NBA. I hate his game. Trash player.

[Slartibartfast]

Some bad contracts, need help knowing if they were max contracts though

Allan Houston (they named a rule to abolish one terrible contract per team after him, for Christ's sake)
Stephon Marbury
Eddy Curry
Joakim Noah (at this point, I'm sorry Knicks fans)
Vin Baker
Jayson Williams
Amar'e Stoudamire (NYK version)
Ben Wallace (CHI version)
Elton Brand (PHI version)
Shawn Kemp (CLE version)

Hard to tell what was a max back then because it was so much less than it is now..

But the difference between Wiggins and everyone on that list? Wiggins has potential to grow. Those guys were all given their contracts on the later half of their careers, except for Touch It Dave.

I reserve special disdain for guys that can't blame their underperformance completely on injury.

Rashard Lewis was pretty bad for much of his max. Carlos Boozer underwhelmed too with Chicago.

Larry Hughes wasn't quite max, IIRC, but he really sucked after that one big year in WAS.

Big Dog wasn't really bad, but he really underachieved on that huge contract.

[SelfishPlayer]

He could still be a good starter with a really good coach and point guard. He would be a much improved with the Sixers. He still creates his own offense which is something that should not be an option for him.

[taikibansei]

He could still be a good starter with a really good coach and point guard. He would be a much improved with the Sixers. He still creates his own offense which is something that should not be an option for him.

Wiggins has had multiple coaches and multiple point guards (one of whom is playing even with Westbrook currently). He has also been the first, second and third options over his career (and arguably this season as well). And yet, Wiggin's stats have remained constant through four years. Basically, Wiggins is who he is...which is not much (especially for that price).

Why would the 76ers want Wiggins? They have great chemistry currently, not to mention better players at each position.

[SelfishPlayer]

He could still be a good starter with a really good coach and point guard. He would be a much improved with the Sixers. He still creates his own offense which is something that should not be an option for him.

Wiggins has had multiple coaches and multiple point guards (one of whom is playing even with Westbrook currently). He has also been the first, second and third options over his career (and arguably this season as well). And yet, Wiggin's stats have remained constant through four years. Basically, Wiggins is who he is...which is not much (especially for that price).

Why would the 76ers want Wiggins? They have great chemistry currently, not to mention better players at each position.

Multiple doesn't equate to really good.

[Wolfgang630]

I wouldn’t want Wiggins. There’s nothing there. He seems so hollow and empty. He looks void of emotions. He looks like he has no will to do anything. He’s a waste of talent.

[taikibansei]

He could still be a good starter with a really good coach and point guard. He would be a much improved with the Sixers. He still creates his own offense which is something that should not be an option for him.

Wiggins has had multiple coaches and multiple point guards (one of whom is playing even with Westbrook currently). He has also been the first, second and third options over his career (and arguably this season as well). And yet, Wiggin's stats have remained constant through four years. Basically, Wiggins is who he is...which is not much (especially for that price).

Why would the 76ers want Wiggins? They have great chemistry currently, not to mention better players at each position.

Multiple doesn't equate to really good.

So, Rubio wasn't a good point guard (or not good enough for your boy Wiggins)? And Thibs,i.e., this guy:

As a defensive coach, he helped the Houston Rockets rank among the Top 5 in the league in scoring defense and field goal percentage defense from 2004 to 2007,[4] and he has helped his team finish in the league's Top 10 in team defense 15 times.[5] He coached in 87 playoff games and was part of the 1999 NBA Finals as an assistant coach with the New York Knicks before joining the Boston Celtics, with whom he won the 2008 NBA Championship, serving as a defensive coach. In 2011, he was named the NBA Coach of the Year after leading the Bulls to a 62-win season. In 2012, he became the fastest coach in NBA history to earn 100 victories and finished as runner-up for Coach of the Year.

You know, the guy who just led the Twolves to their first playoffs in thirteen years, he's not good enough for Wiggins either?

[SelfishPlayer]

Wiggins has had multiple coaches and multiple point guards (one of whom is playing even with Westbrook currently). He has also been the first, second and third options over his career (and arguably this season as well). And yet, Wiggin's stats have remained constant through four years. Basically, Wiggins is who he is...which is not much (especially for that price).

Why would the 76ers want Wiggins? They have great chemistry currently, not to mention better players at each position.

Multiple doesn't equate to really good.

So, Rubio wasn't a good point guard (or not good enough for your boy Wiggins)? And Thibs,i.e., this guy:

As a defensive coach, he helped the Houston Rockets rank among the Top 5 in the league in scoring defense and field goal percentage defense from 2004 to 2007,[4] and he has helped his team finish in the league's Top 10 in team defense 15 times.[5] He coached in 87 playoff games and was part of the 1999 NBA Finals as an assistant coach with the New York Knicks before joining the Boston Celtics, with whom he won the 2008 NBA Championship, serving as a defensive coach. In 2011, he was named the NBA Coach of the Year after leading the Bulls to a 62-win season. In 2012, he became the fastest coach in NBA history to earn 100 victories and finished as runner-up for Coach of the Year.

You know, the guy who just led the Twolves to their first playoffs in thirteen years, he's not good enough for Wiggins either?

Great, Thibs won a play in game to get the Wolves embarrassed in the playoffs. Rubio looks much better under a really good head coach, I suspect that Wiggins would look better in Utah as well..