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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#841 » by Sprewell4Three » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:38 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
taikibansei wrote:Summary in order:

    Embiid starts by praising Atlanta.
    He then states that "a lot of stuff went wrong."
    He blames the officiating.
    He notes that he was limited by serious injury.
    He praises everyone on the 76ers team, including Ben.
    He notes pass gate, though doesn't call out Ben by name.
    He then blames himself for the turnover that followed this, giving himself equal blame for the loss.

Again, oh the humanity! How will you, poor little Ben, ever survive this?


This is what should scare every other GM in the league possibly considering a trade for Simmons. What he had in Philly wasn't THAT bad. The people claiming his team threw him under the bus in Game 7 are really over-exaggerating. Embiid and Doc were frustrated and simply going over some of the key moments of the game... he was a key piece of a key part of that game, as was Embiid, which he took credit for. Yes, the fans are super harsh in Philly, but nothing his teammates or coaches said publicly were sooooo out of line as to necessitate this level of reaction.

If the guy has THIS thin of skin, what's going to happen if/when he gets the tiniest bit of criticism in another city?


Ben is just soft. I don't think what Embiid and Doc said was that bad. I mean the game just finished and emotions are high. Sometimes you dont say the best things after a loss like that.
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#842 » by Eyeamok » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:39 pm

taikibansei wrote:
Simmons25 wrote:
taikibansei wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Force him to...shoot from outside? An NBA basketball player? Oh, the inhumanity! :lol:

Ben, how many accounts do you have on here?


Nice adding your own little slant on what I said.

I said they forced him into a corner... you know... by telling him to F off, burning his singlet, telling him to never come back to Philly again, whilst teammates and coach threw him under the bus and then not even saying anything publicly to help the situation until they realised they couldn't trade him. Philly has every bit as much to blame for this as Simmons does.


Do you need a hug, Ben? It sounds like you need a hug.

Oh, that big meanie Embiid, in the very same interview where he "threw" you under the bus, threw himself under the bus as well, saying, "Then I go zombie and turn the ball over...".

You can watch the whole thing here:



Summary in order:

    Embiid starts by praising Atlanta.
    He then states that "a lot of stuff went wrong."
    He blames the officiating.
    He notes that he was limited by serious injury.
    He praises everyone on the 76ers team, including Ben.
    He notes pass gate, though doesn't call out Ben by name.
    He then blames himself for the turnover that followed this, giving himself equal blame for the loss.

Again, oh the humanity! How will you, poor little Ben, ever survive this?


My goodness there is such a contrast in maturity between Embiid and Simmons. Let me say if Simmons wants a trade great, by all means ask for one. But his immature behavior and the way he has gone about it is one for the ages. He is going to get a serious wake up call once he is traded. He is going to find no matter where he goes there he is. And he can point all the fingers he wants, and some of his pointing might be valid. But he is his own biggest problem and obstacle to getting better. And that is me just projecting that he even wants to get better.

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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#843 » by bebopdeluxe » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:41 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:Doc is on record saying that the Sixers chemistry is improving by the day with Simmons. Then throws him out of practice the next day and he gets suspended. I think this is going to head toward a grievance by the PA.


Why? He has FOUR YEARS left on his deal. He refuses to report to camp. When he comes in, he is DIRECTLY INSUBORDINATE to the head coach in a practice with THE REST OF THE TEAM.

And what - EXACTLY - is the "grievance" that the PA is going to lodge with the Sixers, huh? A "hey - you're not paying Ben Simmons! You can't do that. Yeah - he didn't report to camp...ummm...and...err...he was openly insubordinate in practice...umm..."

BUT HE IS BEN SIMMONS! PAY HIM!!!

(I swear to God, the Benablers on the GB have ZERO shame)
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#844 » by zaz102 » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:49 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
zaz102 wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
historically that's true because of the short timeline they have to trade a player. That's not the case here. They have forever effectively to trade Ben and thus we are here waiting for another player to demand a trade.
Technically, they did try to trade him before the demand was made public. Apparently Simmons requested a trade at the end of the season, but that was not known until recently. But obviously, teams weren't willing to trade what Morey was looking for. Not to mention they did try to trade him last season as well.


They wanted James Harden last year lol. Of course he was available for an MVP!

Didn't know he asked right after the season. That at least makes Ben look better if true. But still when you have 4 years left on a deal, the team has to wait to find the right deal and the player needs to accept that's part of signing a long term deal.
Sorry, I was more responding the leverage comment. I don't know if signs were there last season which I doubt since they were top team in the East. But if he did, then maybe Morey should've tried have traded him for the best package.

If not, then there really wasn't much more he could do outside of trying to get Simmons to work with him. I think he tried since the trade demand didn't go public. But eventually Ben/Klutch got frustrated and felt they had to.
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#845 » by kio80 » Wed Oct 20, 2021 3:52 pm

Eyeamok wrote:
taikibansei wrote:
Simmons25 wrote:
Nice adding your own little slant on what I said.

I said they forced him into a corner... you know... by telling him to F off, burning his singlet, telling him to never come back to Philly again, whilst teammates and coach threw him under the bus and then not even saying anything publicly to help the situation until they realised they couldn't trade him. Philly has every bit as much to blame for this as Simmons does.


Do you need a hug, Ben? It sounds like you need a hug.

Oh, that big meanie Embiid, in the very same interview where he "threw" you under the bus, threw himself under the bus as well, saying, "Then I go zombie and turn the ball over...".

You can watch the whole thing here:



Summary in order:

    Embiid starts by praising Atlanta.
    He then states that "a lot of stuff went wrong."
    He blames the officiating.
    He notes that he was limited by serious injury.
    He praises everyone on the 76ers team, including Ben.
    He notes pass gate, though doesn't call out Ben by name.
    He then blames himself for the turnover that followed this, giving himself equal blame for the loss.

Again, oh the humanity! How will you, poor little Ben, ever survive this?


My goodness there is such a contrast in maturity between Embiid and Simmons. Let me say if Simmons wants a trade great, by all means ask for one. But his immature behavior and the way he has gone about it is one for the ages. He is going to get a serious wake up call once he is traded. He is going to find no matter where he goes there he is. And he can point all the fingers he wants, and some of his pointing might be valid. But he is his own biggest problem and obstacle to getting better. And that is me just projecting that he even wants to get better.

Great post taikibansei


You talking about maturity? Embiid? LOL
They are both immature AF


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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#846 » by Rastas » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:04 pm

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Rastas wrote:This thread if anything else is all about outing the many Top Shelf Haters here on RealGM.
Some Guy want's out of a Bad Situation and all of a sudden we have all the Haters flocking in here telling us he is the Scum of the Earth - like how dare he wear Sweat Pants to Training and for Putting his other Squad 1 or 2 Top in his Pocket - don't you know people will make up stories saying it's a Phone or next it will be a knife or Gun or some Weapon of Mass Destruction in his Pocket......
Keep it up Haters - Haven't laughed so much in years.


Nothing to do with being a hater. The only people getting played are the fans who pay good money (and pay his salary) to watch this bum not want to participate.

Ironic post by you :lol:


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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#847 » by mademan » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:10 pm

man do i wish Simmons was playing today. Wouldve been fun to watch
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#848 » by mademan » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:12 pm

Really starting to feel like both sides are just committed at this point. Sixers arent gonna wanna look spineless and Simmons cant face the music when he does end up putting on that Sixers jersey. Friday should be fun tho, loool
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#849 » by Ferulci » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:15 pm

taikibansei wrote:
Simmons25 wrote:
taikibansei wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Force him to...shoot from outside? An NBA basketball player? Oh, the inhumanity! :lol:

Ben, how many accounts do you have on here?


Nice adding your own little slant on what I said.

I said they forced him into a corner... you know... by telling him to F off, burning his singlet, telling him to never come back to Philly again, whilst teammates and coach threw him under the bus and then not even saying anything publicly to help the situation until they realised they couldn't trade him. Philly has every bit as much to blame for this as Simmons does.


Do you need a hug, Ben? It sounds like you need a hug.

Oh, that big meanie Embiid, in the very same interview where he "threw" you under the bus, threw himself under the bus as well, saying, "Then I go zombie and turn the ball over...".

You can watch the whole thing here:



Summary in order:

    Embiid starts by praising Atlanta.
    He then states that "a lot of stuff went wrong."
    He blames the officiating.
    He notes that he was limited by serious injury.
    He praises everyone on the 76ers team, including Ben.
    He notes pass gate, though doesn't call out Ben by name.
    He then blames himself for the turnover that followed this, giving himself equal blame for the loss.

Again, oh the humanity! How will you, poor little Ben, ever survive this?


HE WAS THROWN UNDER A BUS. Clearly, what Joel said followed by Doc Rivers "I dont know the answer to that question" are perfectly good reasons to:
- Request a trade to "one of the 3 cali teams"
- Not change your negative habits
- Refuse to see your teammates trying to make amends.
- Not show up to training camp
- Refuse to execute drills.
- Train with your smartphone
What else was he supposed to do? Work on his game?
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#850 » by pilkoids » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:18 pm

taikibansei wrote:
Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:
kuclas wrote:Sixers won’t lose in court. There is objective video evidence already of him not engaged.

Cell phone in pocket.
Walking away from team gatherings.

Pretty definitive evidence not engaged.

Why are people defending Simmons behavior? It’s just not Simmons. It’s AD. It’s jimmy butler.

This type of behavior has got to stop.

Best way for Simmons to end this is shut up and play hard. He will get traded. But he’s not gonna to get paid acting like this.

This is unprecedented 4 max year left in a guarantee contract. Butler had 1 year. Harden 2 years. AD 1.5 years left. Vince had 2.5 years.

Never in history of nba has a player acted like this with 4 max years.


Is there specific wording in player contracts that say he can't have his phone in his pocket? or that he needs to partake in every high-five team gathering during practice?


You can't void guaranteed contracts on things like that. Simmons is at practice, and he's practicing. He's practicing at a subpar player performance level than you are used to. But you can't negate a guaranteed contract for an underperforming player. And trying to void his money by saying he's not engaged enough to your liking, is hilarious. That would set an ugly precedent for all teams in the NBA to start looking at their overpaid players and start making up silly reasons to not pay them too.

Contractually, Simmons has to be at practice. So he's there.

How well he performs, or how truly engaged he is, is your problem. You can't void guaranteed contracts willy nilly.

[SNIP]

If Simmons' contract does not have anything against wearing sweatpants to a practice, then you can't use that to avoid paying someone's guaranteed salary.

We're going to the letter of the law here.



People don't realize just how much power players gave up in this current CBA. In exchange for a small bump in salary/revenue sharing, the teams have received broad powers, including enhanced drug testing, and the ability to penalize players severely for what they wear and how they act on (and sometimes off) the court...and even in practice.

Article 6 PLAYER CONDUCT
6.1 General.

In addition to any other rights a Team or the NBA may have by contract (including but not limited to the rights set forth in paragraphs 9 and 16 of the Uniform Player Contract) or by law, when a player fails or refuses, without proper and reasonable cause or excuse, to render the services required by a Player Contract or this Agreement, or when a player is, for proper cause, suspended by his Team or the NBA in accordance with the terms of such Contract or this Agreement, the Current Base Compensation payable to the player for the year of the Contract during which such refusal or failure and/or suspension occurs may be reduced (or, in the case of a suspension, shall be reduced) by (a) 1/145th of the player’s Base Compensation for each missed Exhibition, Regular Season or Playoff game for any suspension of less than twenty (20) games and (b) 1/110th of the player’s Base Compensation for each missed Exhibition, Regular Season or Playoff game for any suspension of twenty (20) games or more (including any indefinite suspension that persists for twenty (20) games or more or consecutive suspensions for continuing acts or conduct that persist for twenty (20) games or more).


That's a pretty darn broad mandate.

6.12 On-Court Conduct.

The parties have agreed to all of the rules governing the conduct of players on the playing court (as that term is defined in Article XXXI, Section 9(c) below) that are contained in the 2016-17 Player Conduct, NBA Uniform Requirements, Dress Code and Other Player-Related Matters Memo distributed by the NBA and dated September 30, 2016. Beginning with the 2017-18 Season, the NBA and the Players Association will bargain over any new rules governing the conduct of players on the playing court (including disciplinary penalties associated therewith) or any change to the agreed-upon rules governing the conduct of players on the playing court (including disciplinary penalties associated therewith); provided, however, that this obligation to bargain does not apply to the official playing rules of the NBA (or any change or modification thereof) or any rule affecting the integrity of the game or game play (or any change or modification thereof), except with respect to any change or modification to the disciplinary penalties associated with a player’s violation of such rules.
Nothing in Section 12(a) above shall be construed to modify or alter (i) the NBA’s existing disciplinary authority in this Agreement or Article 35 of the NBA Constitution governing the conduct of players on the playing court (as that term is defined in Article XXXI, Section 9(c) below), including, but not limited to, the NBA’s ability to provide notice to players that it regards a type of on-court conduct to be violative of its disciplinary standards, (ii) the NBA’s existing disciplinary authority in this Agreement and/or Article 35 of the NBA Constitution governing off-court conduct, or (iii) Article XXXVII, Section 2 of this Agreement governing player uniforms.


So, basically, the NBA appears to be saying that the new CBA gives them greater authority over players...and even if it seems at first reading that their authority has been reduced, that this interpretation is wrong.

Regarding practice and Ben, a sampling:

ARTICLE XXVI
TEAM RULES
Section 1. Establishment of Team Rules.
Each Team may maintain or establish rules with which its players shall
comply at all times, whether on or off the playing floor; provided,
however, that such rules are in writing, are reasonable, and do not violate
the provisions of this Agreement or the Uniform Player Contract.


I am willing to bet money here now that a court will readily find that a prohibition on carrying a cell phone while practicing to be reasonable.

ARTICLE XXXVII
Section 2. Uniform.
(a) During any NBA game or practice, including warm-up periods and
going to and from the locker room to the playing floor, a player shall wear
only the Uniform as supplied by his Team. For purposes of the preceding
sentence only, “Uniform” means all clothing and other items (such as
kneepads, wristbands and headbands, but not including Sneakers) worn by
a player during an NBA game or practice. “Sneakers” means athletic shoes
of the type worn by players while playing an NBA game.


I am willing to bet money here now that a court will readily find that a cell phone is not included in uniform...or sneakers.

Etc., etc. The two documents are well over 500 pages total. Feel free to read them yourselves.


I'm surprised the NBAPA gave in on those.

Players must be thinking that management wouldn't dare risk a PR nightmare by enforcing any of these rules, but then again we have this Ben Simmons situation.
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#851 » by Nate505 » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:24 pm

pilkoids wrote:I'm surprised the NBAPA gave in on those.

Players must be thinking that management wouldn't dare risk a PR nightmare by enforcing any of these rules, but then again we have this Ben Simmons situation.

Most management wouldn't, because most management are dealing with players who are professionals.

Ben Simmons is not a professional, so it's great that these rules are here. He literally thinks he should be paid just because...because...because I don't know why exactly. I'm sure his defenders will think of a reason why he should be paid.
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#852 » by taikibansei » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:24 pm

pilkoids wrote:
taikibansei wrote:
Grumpy Heat Fan wrote:
Is there specific wording in player contracts that say he can't have his phone in his pocket? or that he needs to partake in every high-five team gathering during practice?


You can't void guaranteed contracts on things like that. Simmons is at practice, and he's practicing. He's practicing at a subpar player performance level than you are used to. But you can't negate a guaranteed contract for an underperforming player. And trying to void his money by saying he's not engaged enough to your liking, is hilarious. That would set an ugly precedent for all teams in the NBA to start looking at their overpaid players and start making up silly reasons to not pay them too.

Contractually, Simmons has to be at practice. So he's there.

How well he performs, or how truly engaged he is, is your problem. You can't void guaranteed contracts willy nilly.

[SNIP]

If Simmons' contract does not have anything against wearing sweatpants to a practice, then you can't use that to avoid paying someone's guaranteed salary.

We're going to the letter of the law here.



People don't realize just how much power players gave up in this current CBA. In exchange for a small bump in salary/revenue sharing, the teams have received broad powers, including enhanced drug testing, and the ability to penalize players severely for what they wear and how they act on (and sometimes off) the court...and even in practice.

Article 6 PLAYER CONDUCT
6.1 General.

In addition to any other rights a Team or the NBA may have by contract (including but not limited to the rights set forth in paragraphs 9 and 16 of the Uniform Player Contract) or by law, when a player fails or refuses, without proper and reasonable cause or excuse, to render the services required by a Player Contract or this Agreement, or when a player is, for proper cause, suspended by his Team or the NBA in accordance with the terms of such Contract or this Agreement, the Current Base Compensation payable to the player for the year of the Contract during which such refusal or failure and/or suspension occurs may be reduced (or, in the case of a suspension, shall be reduced) by (a) 1/145th of the player’s Base Compensation for each missed Exhibition, Regular Season or Playoff game for any suspension of less than twenty (20) games and (b) 1/110th of the player’s Base Compensation for each missed Exhibition, Regular Season or Playoff game for any suspension of twenty (20) games or more (including any indefinite suspension that persists for twenty (20) games or more or consecutive suspensions for continuing acts or conduct that persist for twenty (20) games or more).


That's a pretty darn broad mandate.

6.12 On-Court Conduct.

The parties have agreed to all of the rules governing the conduct of players on the playing court (as that term is defined in Article XXXI, Section 9(c) below) that are contained in the 2016-17 Player Conduct, NBA Uniform Requirements, Dress Code and Other Player-Related Matters Memo distributed by the NBA and dated September 30, 2016. Beginning with the 2017-18 Season, the NBA and the Players Association will bargain over any new rules governing the conduct of players on the playing court (including disciplinary penalties associated therewith) or any change to the agreed-upon rules governing the conduct of players on the playing court (including disciplinary penalties associated therewith); provided, however, that this obligation to bargain does not apply to the official playing rules of the NBA (or any change or modification thereof) or any rule affecting the integrity of the game or game play (or any change or modification thereof), except with respect to any change or modification to the disciplinary penalties associated with a player’s violation of such rules.
Nothing in Section 12(a) above shall be construed to modify or alter (i) the NBA’s existing disciplinary authority in this Agreement or Article 35 of the NBA Constitution governing the conduct of players on the playing court (as that term is defined in Article XXXI, Section 9(c) below), including, but not limited to, the NBA’s ability to provide notice to players that it regards a type of on-court conduct to be violative of its disciplinary standards, (ii) the NBA’s existing disciplinary authority in this Agreement and/or Article 35 of the NBA Constitution governing off-court conduct, or (iii) Article XXXVII, Section 2 of this Agreement governing player uniforms.


So, basically, the NBA appears to be saying that the new CBA gives them greater authority over players...and even if it seems at first reading that their authority has been reduced, that this interpretation is wrong.

Regarding practice and Ben, a sampling:

ARTICLE XXVI
TEAM RULES
Section 1. Establishment of Team Rules.
Each Team may maintain or establish rules with which its players shall
comply at all times, whether on or off the playing floor; provided,
however, that such rules are in writing, are reasonable, and do not violate
the provisions of this Agreement or the Uniform Player Contract.


I am willing to bet money here now that a court will readily find that a prohibition on carrying a cell phone while practicing to be reasonable.

ARTICLE XXXVII
Section 2. Uniform.
(a) During any NBA game or practice, including warm-up periods and
going to and from the locker room to the playing floor, a player shall wear
only the Uniform as supplied by his Team. For purposes of the preceding
sentence only, “Uniform” means all clothing and other items (such as
kneepads, wristbands and headbands, but not including Sneakers) worn by
a player during an NBA game or practice. “Sneakers” means athletic shoes
of the type worn by players while playing an NBA game.


I am willing to bet money here now that a court will readily find that a cell phone is not included in uniform...or sneakers.

Etc., etc. The two documents are well over 500 pages total. Feel free to read them yourselves.


I'm surprised the NBAPA gave in on those.

Players must be thinking that management wouldn't dare risk a PR nightmare by enforcing any of these rules, but then again we have this Ben Simmons situation.


The bold is exactly what I'm thinking. The players wanted the salary bump, and thought (rightfully) that it would take a perfect storm of events before any team would dare risk the public shame--and backlash--probable for being the first to attempt enforcing these new provisions.

And then one day, along came Ben Simmons....
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#853 » by FrodoFraggins » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:27 pm

queridiculo wrote:
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You're implying that the "detrimental conduct" is some eternal gray area that isn't in fact clearly defined in the language of his contract. The fact is that in any NBA contract the conditions and terms for services rendered are clearly outlined and not really open to interpretation. Compliance with receiving coaching would be a pretty boilerplate, open/shut issue within the structure of his contract.


That's absurd, you really think there are specific clauses in player contracts with respect to conduct during a training/practice/drills?

Language that covers things like "looked disinterested", "unengaged", "did not give full effort", "did not receive coaching"?


how about refusing to participate in a drill or communicate with coaches?
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#854 » by DusterBuster » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:33 pm

Sprewell4Three wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
taikibansei wrote:Summary in order:

    Embiid starts by praising Atlanta.
    He then states that "a lot of stuff went wrong."
    He blames the officiating.
    He notes that he was limited by serious injury.
    He praises everyone on the 76ers team, including Ben.
    He notes pass gate, though doesn't call out Ben by name.
    He then blames himself for the turnover that followed this, giving himself equal blame for the loss.

Again, oh the humanity! How will you, poor little Ben, ever survive this?


This is what should scare every other GM in the league possibly considering a trade for Simmons. What he had in Philly wasn't THAT bad. The people claiming his team threw him under the bus in Game 7 are really over-exaggerating. Embiid and Doc were frustrated and simply going over some of the key moments of the game... he was a key piece of a key part of that game, as was Embiid, which he took credit for. Yes, the fans are super harsh in Philly, but nothing his teammates or coaches said publicly were sooooo out of line as to necessitate this level of reaction.

If the guy has THIS thin of skin, what's going to happen if/when he gets the tiniest bit of criticism in another city?


Ben is just soft. I don't think what Embiid and Doc said was that bad. I mean the game just finished and emotions are high. Sometimes you dont say the best things after a loss like that.


Exactly my point. He's kind of a mental midget if he let what Embiid and Doc said after that game be such a huge problem for him that he went to these lengths and wants to leave a team that's a perennial top seed in the East and is relatively close to championship contending.
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#855 » by madmaxmedia » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:33 pm

taikibansei wrote:
Simmons25 wrote:
taikibansei wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Force him to...shoot from outside? An NBA basketball player? Oh, the inhumanity! :lol:

Ben, how many accounts do you have on here?


Nice adding your own little slant on what I said.

I said they forced him into a corner... you know... by telling him to F off, burning his singlet, telling him to never come back to Philly again, whilst teammates and coach threw him under the bus and then not even saying anything publicly to help the situation until they realised they couldn't trade him. Philly has every bit as much to blame for this as Simmons does.


Do you need a hug, Ben? It sounds like you need a hug.

Oh, that big meanie Embiid, in the very same interview where he "threw" you under the bus, threw himself under the bus as well, saying, "Then I go zombie and turn the ball over...".

You can watch the whole thing here:



Summary in order:

    Embiid starts by praising Atlanta.
    He then states that "a lot of stuff went wrong."
    He blames the officiating.
    He notes that he was limited by serious injury.
    He praises everyone on the 76ers team, including Ben.
    He notes pass gate, though doesn't call out Ben by name.
    He then blames himself for the turnover that followed this, giving himself equal blame for the loss.

Again, oh the humanity! How will you, poor little Ben, ever survive this?


That's an excellent summary, also thanks for providing the vid as I had forgotten the entire thing.

He pretty clearly refers to that sequence of 3-4 plays as the turning point (starting with Ben's pass and ending with Joel's turnover), not specifically calling out Ben. He's talking about that minute or 2 when the game got away from them. I don't know what else may or may not have happened, and I think what Doc said was worse, but Joel didn't throw Ben under the bus at all in that interview IMO (but you can make it sound that way if you only play 5 seconds of the interview.)

If anything, he threw his meniscus (and the officials) under the bus.
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#856 » by DusterBuster » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:35 pm

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pilkoids wrote:I'm surprised the NBAPA gave in on those.

Players must be thinking that management wouldn't dare risk a PR nightmare by enforcing any of these rules, but then again we have this Ben Simmons situation.

Most management wouldn't, because most management are dealing with players who are professionals.

Ben Simmons is not a professional, so it's great that these rules are here. He literally thinks he should be paid just because...because...because I don't know why exactly. I'm sure his defenders will think of a reason why he should be paid.


Cause Phiwwy fawwns are wewwwllly mean to him...
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Post#857 » by Public_Enemy101 » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:37 pm

Pfffft they locked my post about sending Ben Simmons to the G-League. Can’t even discuss hypotheticals, as outlandish as it is makes this forum SOFT!

Please PM any moderator with these types of complaints. This is not the place. -b
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#858 » by DusterBuster » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:39 pm

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Jazztop wrote:This guy is just a trash human being. There should be provision that such conduct can lead to his contract being torn up and for however many years of his contract or 4 years, whatever is longer, players are kryptonited from joining any other NBA team. Let him play for the Shanghai Tigers.


calling him trash is fine but funny part is doc actually kicked him out of practice after begging him with mgt players to show up just once.
embiid too is a diva being way too passive aggressive. one day begs on his knees hes best friends then today claims he doesnt want to babysit he doesnt care simmons now that he showed up. which one is it? some of these guys in philly including morey have bipolar disease they need to go see a doctor as much as simmons has to be blamed. not trying to side with klutch but sixers will be a fa wasteland for decades.


That is kinda true, as a 76er fan, I am extremely down on Morey, like I have said multiple times.
He won’t trade Simmons for anything less than his ridiculous asking price, he is not doing anything since the off season to help the team, he is doing it out of his huge ego, not wanting to lose face, so he puts the team’s future in jeopardy. He could have worked out so many deals that could benefit the team more than having Simmons in the team.
No one else seem to notice that Morey is the main problem, not Simmons ( as much as he is acting out), not Embiid, **** Morey is the Sixer’s biggest problem.


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Largely agree, however there is blame to go around for both Simmons and Morey. Simmons needs to **** man up and not have such thin skin that he basically gives up on his team because of some (valid) criticism.

But yeah, Morey's always had a MASSIVE ego dating back to his time in Houston when he thought he was King ****. He could have done a lot more to not let this get to this point by simply not letting his ego get in his way with thinking he should always get 1.50 on the dollar in a trade and not get in a pissing match with Klutch.
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#859 » by FrodoFraggins » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:42 pm

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K3nny Pow3rs wrote:Wow so if they void the contract then Simmons can sign with anyone, I guess that means the Lakers, Clippers or GS.

Teams have no money left to sign him. He’s not gonna to risk losing all that guarantee money.

At the end of the day. Simmons and klutch cannot risk losing 140 million. They will never recoup the money if contract is terminated. He would need to sign for vet min and since season already started. He can’t even play for a year and get super max money again with the same team. He gonna to cost himself at least 40-50 million guaranteed if contract get voided. That is the last thing the nba players association wants to see happen

All the years they spent getting players guarantee contracts.

I doubt Simmons cares about money, he's proving it now.
He'll sacrifice all the money in the world, if he can play in California.


If he didn't care about money then he wouldn't have crawled back to the team after finding out he can't get that $8 million payment by sitting out.
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Re: Sixers Suspend Ben Simmons For One Game 

Post#860 » by The411 » Wed Oct 20, 2021 4:52 pm

Nate505 wrote:
pilkoids wrote:I'm surprised the NBAPA gave in on those.

Players must be thinking that management wouldn't dare risk a PR nightmare by enforcing any of these rules, but then again we have this Ben Simmons situation.

Most management wouldn't, because most management are dealing with players who are professionals.

Ben Simmons is not a professional, so it's great that these rules are here. He literally thinks he should be paid just because...because...because I don't know why exactly. I'm sure his defenders will think of a reason why he should be paid.



Because there has never been players who have been problematic or unprofessional ... Stop deflecting blame from the Sixers front office. They are culpable here for signing him to a large deal and for failing to trade him to get rid of him.

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