2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 2)

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Which rookie impresses you the most?

Cade Cunningham
24
8%
Jalen Green
9
3%
Evan Mobley
76
26%
Scottie Barnes
104
36%
Jalen Suggs
4
1%
Josh Giddey
17
6%
Franz Wagner
42
15%
Chris Duarte
1
0%
Davion Mitchell
3
1%
Other
9
3%
 
Total votes: 289

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Post#841 » by Duffman100 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:08 am

whitehops wrote:cade's first three games were clear outliers in terms of performance/efficiency, and in his last five games he's averaging 16/5/4 shooting 7.4 3PA at 40.5% (TS% is .548). that's pretty impressive this early given his role as a lead ball handler. i wouldn't be surprised if he averaged 20/5/5 over the last half of the season.

he still has a lot of things to work on/clean up but he is definitely showing why he was drafted first overall. saddiq bey almost broke the rookie record for 3s made last season and if cade doesn't miss too much more time he should actually break it.


People are so quick to jump on players. Cade will be a good player.
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Post#842 » by DCasey91 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 12:09 am

yoyoboy wrote:Not all potential assists are created equal though. The passer impacts the quality of the shot and the likelihood it goes in. Cavs fans made the same argument with Sexton, saying teammates were just missing shots he created for them, and yet Garland never seemed to have the same issue passing to the same guys. Whether you're hitting guys for layups versus outside shots, the timing of your delivery, the accuracy of the pass, how late in the shot clock you're making the pass...all those factors make a difference. You can't just look at two guys' assist/potential assist ratio and say one guy is luckier because teammates are hitting shots off his passes at a greater rate.


Giddey hits the shooters shot pocket like all the great passers do. He’s very much a classic type PG.
On a better team he’d put up 8+ assists just like Rookie Rubio or Rookie Ben.
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Post#843 » by Big J » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:03 am

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Post#844 » by TunaFish » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:15 am

"A young standout on the Denver Nuggets roster is being recognized for his recent play on the court. Nah’Shon “Bones” Hyland slotted in at No. 4 in CBS Sports’ recent NBA top 10 rookie rankings that measures young player performances on a week-to-week basis."

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Post#845 » by dc » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:43 am

HiRez wrote:And I think Cunningham and Suggs will rise up quickly, they're not going to shoot that poorly for long.


Cunningham will definitely shooter better as the season progresses. Suggs, it's gonna take longer. The thing people questioned about him in college was his shot (33% 3pt from the college line). I don't suspect he'll shoot 31% for the season, but right now I'd be surprised if he shoots over 40% for the season.
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Post#846 » by INKtastic » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:59 am

NRSV wrote:Making Mobley play center seems ill-advised in hindsight.


Every other option on the roster was out (aside from Taco Fall, who isn’t going to play starts minutes)
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Post#847 » by Creativetran » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:12 am

dc wrote:
HiRez wrote:And I think Cunningham and Suggs will rise up quickly, they're not going to shoot that poorly for long.


Cunningham will definitely shooter better as the season progresses. Suggs, it's gonna take longer. The thing people questioned about him in college was his shot (33% 3pt from the college line). I don't suspect he'll shoot 31% for the season, but right now I'd be surprised if he shoots over 40% for the season.

I don't see him shooting 40% either but I don't see him shooting THIS bad, he's rushing too many shots right now.
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Post#849 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:31 pm

Boston is just too smooth.
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Post#850 » by Blacksheep25 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:52 pm

toooskies wrote:
NRSV wrote:Making Mobley play center seems ill-advised in hindsight.

I mean, the scouting was 100% correct when it comes to Mobley being an NBA center-- he's not big enough and not strong enough to play there (yet). He's lucky it's just a few week injury.

The Cavs are about to hit the hardest part of their schedule in the coming days, we'll find out how much Mobley has meant to their success as they go against all four of the top seeds in the east (Brooklyn twice) and four of the top five seeds in the West in their next 10 games. Oh, and the Bucks too. (And Orlando.)


Yeah, I can’t fault them for thinking he’d be ok there for a game or two with Allen sick. Just the game before, that entire 4th quarter comeback was with him at center and Allen on the bench. The difference was Horford was there for second game, and he’s just an old school strong guy with all the tricks. He’s a center atm only against the right type of opponent. He’s not at all ready to do it nightly.


I’d have lost my mind at JBB if he had sustained some injury from all the minutes. But it wasn’t that type of injury. Thankfully it’s not a lower body issue that would scare me more.


If he sits the entire 4 weeks, which I imagine he will if they err on the safe side, he will miss 14 games.

Cavs need to win about 4 during that stretch to remain a viable play in candidate. It will be a tall task as the schedule is brutal starting tonight and a bunch of others are still out. Hopefully if they get all the other guys back sans Sexton, they’ll be able to eek out a few on the backend. This week is going to be a bloodbath.
And if they don’t? Maybe it’s for the best as they need to draft about 3 wings and hope one works out.
It’s a shame they didn’t hang on to Hartenstein. We have a lot of 7 footers, but no real backup center who can log any minutes. Tacko isn’t playing 35 on a night when Allen has an issue.
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Post#851 » by CptCrunch » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:57 pm

toooskies wrote:
NRSV wrote:Making Mobley play center seems ill-advised in hindsight.

I mean, the scouting was 100% correct when it comes to Mobley being an NBA center-- he's not big enough and not strong enough to play there (yet). He's lucky it's just a few week injury.

The Cavs are about to hit the hardest part of their schedule in the coming days, we'll find out how much Mobley has meant to their success as they go against all four of the top seeds in the east (Brooklyn twice) and four of the top five seeds in the West in their next 10 games. Oh, and the Bucks too. (And Orlando.)


The scouts aren't 'right' after just one game against a super veteran center like Horford during which Mobley was injured. Bad games happen. If he falters at C for at least 10 games, let's talk.
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Post#852 » by JonFromVA » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:48 pm

CptCrunch wrote:
toooskies wrote:
NRSV wrote:Making Mobley play center seems ill-advised in hindsight.

I mean, the scouting was 100% correct when it comes to Mobley being an NBA center-- he's not big enough and not strong enough to play there (yet). He's lucky it's just a few week injury.

The Cavs are about to hit the hardest part of their schedule in the coming days, we'll find out how much Mobley has meant to their success as they go against all four of the top seeds in the east (Brooklyn twice) and four of the top five seeds in the West in their next 10 games. Oh, and the Bucks too. (And Orlando.)


The scouts aren't 'right' after just one game against a super veteran center like Horford during which Mobley was injured. Bad games happen. If he falters at C for at least 10 games, let's talk.


The point of starting Mobley at PF is that he can get his feet wet against backup C's and even be held out against one if the matchup is bad. For instance, if Kevin Love was available, the Cavs could have used him on Horford. If Horford wanted to try something in the paint, Love would take the brunt of it, then Mobley could side over to help. A far better use of his abilities.

Anyway, it doesn't take advanced scouting to see he's listed at 7'0" 215lbs (which is still his listed weight even though it's been reported he'd added muscle since Summer league) and has a high center of gravity, or recognize that his brother played C at USC.
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Post#853 » by NRSV » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:11 pm

7’0 215 is so thin.
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Post#854 » by HiRez » Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:57 pm

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Post#855 » by LoveMyRaps » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:03 pm

whitehops wrote:cade's first three games were clear outliers in terms of performance/efficiency, and in his last five games he's averaging 16/5/4 shooting 7.4 3PA at 40.5% (TS% is .548). that's pretty impressive this early given his role as a lead ball handler. i wouldn't be surprised if he averaged 20/5/5 over the last half of the season.

he still has a lot of things to work on/clean up but he is definitely showing why he was drafted first overall. saddiq bey almost broke the rookie record for 3s made last season and if cade doesn't miss too much more time he should actually break it.


even though his shooting was off in hi first 3 games he still looked great to me. Made all the right reads and displayed his high basketball IQ.
i got some trash talk the other day for suggesting he'll be the best player from this draft but it's true. there will be multiple superstars that come out of this draft class but I see Cade being the best amongst all of em.
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Post#856 » by MotownMadness » Wed Nov 17, 2021 7:41 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:Boston is just too smooth.

Weird, dude couldn't buy a bucket in college. Obviously the framework was there if he ever started too but it was ugly.
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Post#857 » by BlazersBroncos » Wed Nov 17, 2021 8:43 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
BlazersBroncos wrote:Boston is just too smooth.

Weird, dude couldn't buy a bucket in college. Obviously the framework was there if he ever started too but it was ugly.


Ya, at the same time he was a very highly touted prospect coming into College who was know for having a super smooth offensive game. Sometimes guys just dont click in college.

I think he can be a really nice scorer in this league.
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Post#858 » by OkcSinceSGA » Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:30 am

Brandon Boston has received a ton of praise from PG and Ibaka among others. For being Uber gifted as a 3 level scorer and “fearless”.
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Post#859 » by MotownMadness » Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:39 am

Cades first step is his skillset, he just breaks his man down and gets to the rim
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Post#860 » by MotownMadness » Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:40 am

OKCfanSinceSGA wrote:Brandon Boston has received a ton of praise from PG and Ibaka among others. For being Uber gifted as a 3 level scorer and “fearless”.

Could be a good one if he puts it all together. I watched him plenty in college but he never could but the potential is super high if he does.

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