[HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade…

[Karmaloop]

35 mill for a guy sitting home, or 47 million for a guy that is a massive negative.

Easy choice to me, it's clear who is more desperate here lol.

...you do realize that there are multipliers since the Nets will be paying the luxury tax? Assuming that a Westbrook/Irving deal does get done involving Joe Harris, the Nets are actually saving money.

[Karmaloop]

Buddy has more value then either do. Both on the court or as a trade piece with 2 years 20 then 18 mill. There are teams that would likely offer a first for him. He’d be a great fit for a lot of teams.

That's why teams are tripping over themselves trying to trade for him? Or the fact that he was pretty much salary dumped onto the Pacers so that they could acquire Tyrese Haliburton? I like Buddy Hield, I really do, but paying shooters $18M+ isn't a good use of money.

[Ballerhogger]

Woj finally admitting on sports center, what others have been saying for awhile now, that the Nets have no where else to go but the Lakers at this point. That had to have been tough for him to do.

Yea like weve said if they want waste 35m on irving on sit him be my guest.

would russ be any better?

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Yes seeing how he will play all the games yes

[Ruma85]

I think the Lakers are drawing a red line in that no future unprotected FRPs are outgoing. By 2027 the Lakers are likely a wasteland in the post Lebron era, so their FRPs are basically gonna be top 5 guaranteed.

Any team asking for multiple of them and/or pick swaps, needs to offer up some hardcore talent that the team can potentially build around along with AD.

Since no hardcore talent is coming back, why should the Lakers basically obliterate their future for non impact players in the short term.

If Jeannie Buss greenlights any such move and it blows up in her face (which it is likely to do), she's gonna be known as the worst Buss kid, as the team will continually suck from 2023 to 2029 and having NO top picks incoming to provide hope.

I agree with all this.

[formula 400]

Yea like weve said if they want waste 35m on irving on sit him be my guest.

would russ be any better?

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35 mill for a guy sitting home, or 47 million for a guy that is a massive negative.

Easy choice to me, it's clear who is more desperate here lol.

who ever hasnt won the title lately is the won more desperate.

[formula 400]

many non-laker fans only want to see their fantasy of WB and picks for KI so that another **** show continues in LA (which will also be contributing to a bleaker future with no picks or talent). KI has been fking around in NJ doing nothing but giving incoherent speeches.

KI has created a very toxic environment in which HE must go; KD shouldn't be forced to leave. NJ needs to do everything they can to keep him, but, i think the damage is already done and he can no longer trust KI.

NJ is f'd. KI fkd em real good and now wants leave the mess he made. even if KI stays, all his teammates' trust is gone; this particular issue is not being covered. NJ needs the hard reset; they are not in the driver's seat when it comes to negotiations for KI.

[HeatIn5]

still think there's a chance a team like Charlotte tries to use this as a chance to get off Gordon Heyward's contract. Send him to Brooklyn with a few 2nds, take WB

GH definitely fits better with Simmons.

If Brooklyn is going to have any chance, they need to just surround Simmons with as many shooters as humanly possible

[HiDef]

"the Lakers need this 10x more" despite all reports, including from the Nets side, indicating the Lakers haven't been aggressive at all to get Kyrie

"the Nets can just hold onto him until the deadline" do it then? like no ****, all trades are voluntary. nobody _has_ to trade for Kyrie and the Nets can just lose him for nothing or buy him out. there were murmurs Nets would rather stretch him or buy him out than have him back. yet somehow the Lakers are the weakling desperate party here with their paltry multiple picks and salary relief, with no one offering anyone else. the bias is frankly tiring

Is it possible all sides are biased and the truth is neither team is that desperate? The facts seem to support this as no trade has been made yet.

That's not only possible, it's likely. I'm just pointing out that there's less noise about the Lakers being desperate than the Nets yet posters here are projecting that the Lakers have a terrible offer that will never work and that they'll need to throw in even more. Every time the Lakers identify a trade target, that guy turns into 2009 Lebron James and all of the Lakers' assets turn into top 89 protected 3rd round picks.

The situation is just weird, the Lakers can give up 1 or 2 picks from 2027, 2028 and 2029, and that's all they can offer except some 2nds. Those are good picks, it would be a really good offer, but it really just comes down to whether they will pay the price or not.

for all his bs, people are forgetting how talented he really is, and I don't think it's crazy that a team like Miami or the Clippers might want to add him at the deadline and that he might even commit to signing with them.

[Vae Victus]

many non-laker fans only want to see their fantasy of WB and picks for KI so that another **** show continues in LA (which will also be contributing to a bleaker future with no picks or talent). KI has been fking around in NJ doing nothing but giving incoherent speeches.

KI has created a very toxic environment in which HE must go; KD shouldn't be forced to leave. NJ needs to do everything they can to keep him, but, i think the damage is already done and he can no longer trust KI.

NJ is f'd. KI fkd em real good and now wants leave the mess he made. even if KI stays, all his teammates' trust is gone; this particular issue is not being covered. NJ needs the hard reset; they are not in the driver's seat when it comes to negotiations for KI.

My thoughts exactly. Kyrie has reached a point of no return in the level of cancerous toxicity he has brought BRK. It's why i think a 3way with a 3rd team offering legit players (albeit overpaid talent that they want to flush) is the best way to go forward. Kyrie has pretty much planted his flag that he's LAL or nothing, and he's 100% proven he'll tank a team to do exactly that. Westbrook has a slight chance to maybe recover his value (like his WAS level of play) on a new team. Kyrie gives no **** and will do whatever he wants to the detriment to his team.

still think there's a chance a team like Charlotte tries to use this as a chance to get off Gordon Heyward's contract. Send him to Brooklyn with a few 2nds, take WB

GH definitely fits better with Simmons.

If Brooklyn is going to have any chance, they need to just surround Simmons with as many shooters as humanly possible

I think the Hayward + Rozier combo is definitely a perfect fit for BRK for Simmons, with or without KD.

It's why i think CHA is the best place for a 3way, assuming Mitch Kupchak and MJ is willing to help LAL out, and them willing to embrace the tank for a year.

Thing is, right now it's all posturing from all sides. But 2 things are clear, the Lakers AND Nets need to NOT suck for a few years. They dont own their own picks. BRK needs to convert Kyrie into some decent talent replacement, just like the Lakers need to convert Westbrook into player(s) that fit Lebron better.

Honestly, at this point, we're waiting on a market of teams who want to dump tons of salary for 1 year of Westbrook relief. First one to answer that and have some decent overpaid talent to trade, will having LAL/BRK jump on them in an instant.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Interesting thing here is that Ramona Shelburn and Jake Fischer both say that the Nets stance is that they don’t want Westbrook under any circumstance.

Ok but the Nets realize that if they don’t take Westbrook then there goes any chance at picking up draft compensation. Because no one is giving a first for Kyrie, so if the Lakers end up providing draft compensation to dump Westbrook in a 3 team deal, then that means the Nets get nothing or at least very little like Nunn or possibly THT.

The only way to get decent draft compensation back for the Nets is to take Westbrook and waive him. They will eventually figure this out, or at least come to terms with it.

Nets are not dying for that Lakers draft pick. Especially if it means we have to give up Joe Harris too. And take on Westbrick.

Lakers are 10x more desperate. Nets can easily just tell Kyrie to sit and move on.

The Nets aren’t going into next season with Kyrie on the roster and currently have zero other offers for him. Even Nets cheerleader Woj admitted as much today.

Lakers are doing the right thing by waiting them out. I absolutely would put whose more desperate to the test if I’m the Lakers. Especially when you have Kyrie who is going to kill the interest of every other team, if his antics haven’t already.

Says who?

The Nets can easily go into the season with Kyrie. Whats the downside?

If he wants to sit at home he can. Hes used to it anyway.

The Lakers are far more desperate to offload Westbrick.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Nets are not dying for that Lakers draft pick. Especially if it means we have to give up Joe Harris too. And take on Westbrick.

Lakers are 10x more desperate. Nets can easily just tell Kyrie to sit and move on.

The Nets aren’t going into next season with Kyrie on the roster and currently have zero other offers for him. Even Nets cheerleader Woj admitted as much today.

Lakers are doing the right thing by waiting them out. I absolutely would put whose more desperate to the test if I’m the Lakers. Especially when you have Kyrie who is going to kill the interest of every other team, if his antics haven’t already.

Could depend on Durant. If you can get back 2 good players (not even all stars) and a haul of picks for Durant they’ll have effectively re-stocked their cupboard from the Harden trade. Those picks may not be high but at least it’s something. BKN then has:

-a moderately competitive team (with no reason to tank)
-re-stocked draft assets

BKN then acts as a middling team (maybe play-in level?) for the next few years and has draft picks

They signed KD and Kyrie for free. Whatever they can get out of them in a trade should be a bonus, it’s just that now KD is being used to re-coup the lost Harden assets. They’re basically resetting back to zero (plus Simmons but minus potential high first rd picks).

Does BKN want the best return for Kyrie? Sure. Is it the end of the world if they don’t get it? Maybe not depending on what KD gets them.

The question is can LAL lose another year of Lebron? I’d think another losing year puts tremendous pressure on Pelinka.

It can be argued that taking back the Westbrook contract, giving up Joe Harris all for a pick is negative value.

I'm simply not doing that at all.

Kyrie can sit at home. Not a big deal.

There is a very good chance Dallas or some other team at the deadline swoops in with some contracts to take a run with Kyrie.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Nets are not dying for that Lakers draft pick. Especially if it means we have to give up Joe Harris too. And take on Westbrick.

Lakers are 10x more desperate. Nets can easily just tell Kyrie to sit and move on.

Let's stop pretending like Joe Harris is a huge asset. I thin you'd be pressed to call him neutral value at best.

Your opinion.

I view him as an asset and so do the Nets according to NY Post today. Who are way more plugged in than Chris Haynes.

If we want to be a playoff team than Harris is a key piece. Not taking back Westbrick just to help the Lakers.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Nets are not dying for that Lakers draft pick. Especially if it means we have to give up Joe Harris too. And take on Westbrick.

Lakers are 10x more desperate. Nets can easily just tell Kyrie to sit and move on.

Let's stop pretending like Joe Harris is a huge asset. I thin you'd be pressed to call him neutral value at best.

Isn’t his defense terrible ?

Not true at all. Hes an above average defender.

[Hello Brooklyn]

"the Lakers need this 10x more" despite all reports, including from the Nets side, indicating the Lakers haven't been aggressive at all to get Kyrie

"the Nets can just hold onto him until the deadline" do it then? like no ****, all trades are voluntary. nobody _has_ to trade for Kyrie and the Nets can just lose him for nothing or buy him out. there were murmurs Nets would rather stretch him or buy him out than have him back. yet somehow the Lakers are the weakling desperate party here with their paltry multiple picks and salary relief, with no one offering anyone else. the bias is frankly tiring

Lakers have not been aggressive. But neither have the Nets.

I think the Nets are completely fine with losing him for nothing rather than taking back Westbrook and losing Harris or Curry.

Salary relief? You mean Westbrook LOL.

[levon]

"the Lakers need this 10x more" despite all reports, including from the Nets side, indicating the Lakers haven't been aggressive at all to get Kyrie

"the Nets can just hold onto him until the deadline" do it then? like no ****, all trades are voluntary. nobody _has_ to trade for Kyrie and the Nets can just lose him for nothing or buy him out. there were murmurs Nets would rather stretch him or buy him out than have him back. yet somehow the Lakers are the weakling desperate party here with their paltry multiple picks and salary relief, with no one offering anyone else. the bias is frankly tiring

Lakers have not been aggressive. But neither have the Nets.

I think the Nets are completely fine with losing him for nothing rather than taking back Westbrook and losing Harris or Curry.

Salary relief? You mean Westbrook LOL.

Yes, it allows you to aggregate and offload more salary which is particularly useful if you're taking a lot back in a KD trade.

Anyway, I'm pretty tired of rehashing the same old stuff. Can we all agree this stalemate is annoying as hell? Can't wait for this ambiguity to resolve either way so we can move on.

[gigantes]

Yea like weve said if they want waste 35m on irving on sit him be my guest.

would russ be any better?

Yes seeing how he will play all the games yes

If there isn't a mandate next season, then Kyrie has every reason to play hard next season for his next contract, even if it's with BRK one last time. Even *he* has to realise that there's a lot less interest in him than once existed, when the Nets gave him full permission to call around the league and explore deals.

If he decides to sit out or screw around this coming season, he's looking at taking a massive pay cut in 2023. Even living in his bubble-reality, I think some people in his circle have to realise that, and understand that it likely affects their lives too.

By contrast, Westbrook is virtually unplayable at this point, and adds nothing to a team that looks like it's going to keep Durant around for the time being.

I think the Lakers are drawing a red line in that no future unprotected FRPs are outgoing. By 2027 the Lakers are likely a wasteland in the post Lebron era, so their FRPs are basically gonna be top 5 guaranteed.

Any team asking for multiple of them and/or pick swaps, needs to offer up some hardcore talent that the team can potentially build around along with AD.

Since no hardcore talent is coming back, why should the Lakers basically obliterate their future for non impact players in the short term.

If Jeannie Buss greenlights any such move and it blows up in her face (which it is likely to do), she's gonna be known as the worst Buss kid, as the team will continually suck from 2023 to 2029 and having NO top picks incoming to provide hope.

I agree with all this.

You're not wrong, but you're also looking at LeBron's likely last couple chances to win a title. Personally I think it might be preferable to blow up LBJ & AD to start the rebuild and replenish their picks (assuming that's even possible), but if you keep them, you're in a really tough spot if you're unwilling to do anything significant to get off WB and give Kyrie (or whoever) a shot.

I don't think the Nets expect much from a Kyrie trade at this point, if that helps.

[John Murdoch]

OT: Chris Haynes voice sounds like Draymond if u close ur eyes

[akula1488]

Nets best play is to get Westbrook's large expiring with picks, then trade his large expiring to teams with bad long term contracts plus picks. So in that sense Westbrook's expiring contract is the biggest asset.

[Karmaloop]

Your opinion.

I view him as an asset and so do the Nets according to NY Post today. Who are way more plugged in than Chris Haynes.

If we want to be a playoff team than Harris is a key piece. Not taking back Westbrick just to help the Lakers.

A puff piece by a NY-based newspaper isn't exactly what I'd call evidence. He's getting paid roughly $38.6M over the next 2 years, already 30 years old, and coming off a pretty significant injury. That's not something I'd consider overly valuable. Especially when the going rate for shooters is substantially lower than his contract is.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Your opinion.

I view him as an asset and so do the Nets according to NY Post today. Who are way more plugged in than Chris Haynes.

If we want to be a playoff team than Harris is a key piece. Not taking back Westbrick just to help the Lakers.

A puff piece by a NY-based newspaper isn't exactly what I'd call evidence. He's getting paid roughly $38.6M over the next 2 years, already 30 years old, and coming off a pretty significant injury. That's not something I'd consider overly valuable. Especially when the going rate for shooters is substantially lower than his contract is.

LOL a "puff piece" that makes way more sense than whatever BS Haynes is putting out.

Harris is the longest tenured Net and has been consulted by Marks on several decisions. The idea that we would just dump him is asinine.

Hes a top 5 shooter in the NBA easily and all he had was ankle surgery. Not really a "major injury."

Again, you can believe what you want. I want Harris on the team next year to help us make the playoffs. Not taking Westbrick just so you can get kooky Kyrie paired with LeBron on some wild goose chase to win the Championship.