Nets Trying To Get Billups And RIP Along With Anthony

[Blackmun]

This is the only NY trade i was able to make to be at least competitive to NJN deal:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=5rpmet6

The problem with your logic is that you are assuming the Knicks will make a trade offer that is competitive to the Nets. They won't. And they shouldn't. Melo is more important to the Nets than he is to the Knicks, at least as long as Mike D is in charge.

The only way Melo ends up in New York is if he insists on it, not because Knicks makes a better offer. They won't.

I wouldn't trade Fields or Chandler if I was the Knicks. Gallo yes. But not the others. I would worry about getting a solid Center instead.

Kinda the point I am making above. Melo isn't that important to the Knicks. Perkins is a free agent this summer. He certainly isn't as good as Melo by any stretch, but as far as improving the Knicks overall as a team, he might very well have a bigger impact than Melo would.

Oh, and D12 is 1 year away from his opt out, just saying;)

stan kroenke won't let his teamS get pissed on by some agent and his player that are under contract. rose and melo could definitely try to hold the nuggets hostage and say 'new york or we'll walk'....but i really doubt kroenke would cave, especially when he knows melo has financial incentive to get that extension. if it came to that, he'd probably say "up yours CAA.....the nuggets, avalanche, rapids, rams and arsenal won't be looking to sign any of your clients in the future...since we know we're gonna get ****ed on by you." how's that gonna look on their resume for luring athlete clients?

There are mainly three problems with this paragraph;

1) He and his companies would get sued to **** if they arbitrarily starts a vengeance against an agency representing players. This would, literally, make the players associations in every single one of those sports go absolutely ****. He would hurt his own franchies a hundred times more than he would hurt CAA.

2) He isn't 12 years old. He isn't going to take his ball and go home if people don't let him have it his way. He's a business man. He's used to hardball negotiations

3) Kinda brings me back to point 1, that kind of stuff just doesn't happen in the grown up world.

[Jetset]

Latest ESPN article and video:

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6011337&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_6011337

Hmmm from that article sounds like Melo never really said that he'll only play in NY. It also sounds like he thinks NY wont be his destination either as to not mess up their chemistry. And that he's reluctant to sign with NJ, knowing that without a star to join him he's stuck in a losing situation. Looks like this could last for awhile.

[triplet1984]

The Nuggets front office sounds like a major pain in the ass to deal with. If I'm NJ, I simply say 'the deal we presented with the Pistons two days ago is still on the table and better than anything NYK can offer. Call us when you've decided.' and walk away. No more 'discussions'. If Denver is really willing to detonate themselves by taking a vastly inferior package then there's nothing you can do.

[towelie]

This is the only NY trade i was able to make to be at least competitive to NJN deal:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=5rpmet6

The problem with your logic is that you are assuming the Knicks will make a trade offer that is competitive to the Nets. They won't. And they shouldn't. Melo is more important to the Nets than he is to the Knicks, at least as long as Mike D is in charge.

The only way Melo ends up in New York is if he insists on it, not because Knicks makes a better offer. They won't.
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Exactly. Knicks fans realize that they can't really compete with NJ's offer. How can they? They have a #3 pick loaded with potential on a 4 yr rookie deal. They have 5 1st round picks, two of which are likely lottery. And the Nets are absolutely desperate to acquire Melo.

No one's arguing that a package of Gallo (or Chandler)/AR/1st (plus swapping Harrington's deal with Azubuike's insured contract) is competitive with NJ's offer of Favors + Harris + lottery 1sts. It isn't. The hope for us Knick fans is not to compete with the Nets' offer, but that Carmelo rejects the Nets' advances, and forces Denver to work out a deal with NY. The alternative at that point is taking some sort of rental package from Houston or Dallas or NJ, which believe me, is not going to consist of lottery picks.

[Jordan45822]

I am more intrigued how they (Nets) can get Chris Paul in 2012 more than how they will get Carmelo Anthony now

[Blackmun]

I really don't see that having any factor whatsoever. ...
Agencies are loyal to their clients, not the teams their client plays for.

i understand they're a big agency with a lot of power, but it doesn't do them a lot of good to strongarm a billionaire that controls 5 major teams, particularly when they'd stand to lose millions of dollars for their agency and their client if he called their bluff. plus, not all 30 teams from each league have cap space every summer to sign CAA clients, and not every CAA client is lebron/cp3 with the opportunity to go anywhere for any price when they're a FA.

I don't really mean to be beating a dead horse here, but this is pretty outlandish assumptions on how the sports business is actually run. Even Sterling wouldn't try to pull of the **** you are claiming Kroenke could / would do. It just doesn't happen. And it can't. The CAA could sue him. The NBA, MLB, and whatnot could force him out as an owner, etc, etc.

Trust me, an owner that tries to power play player's organizations into the ground is not going to be around for long.

[Jetset]

I am more intrigued how they (Nets) can get Chris Paul in 2012 more than how they will get Carmelo Anthony now

The agent beyond the stars Leon Rose will find a way. Besides isn't that last year on Paul's contract a player option anyway?

[corona]

There are mainly three problems with this paragraph;

1) He and his companies would get sued to **** if they arbitrarily starts a vengeance against an agency representing players. This would, literally, make the players associations in every single one of those sports go absolutely ****. He would hurt his own franchies a hundred times more than he would hurt CAA.

just like the nba owners should be going **** as all these agents and players collude under the table to join forces in certain cities by forcing trades to those teams and minimizing the return of the trading team. and there's plenty of other free agents represented by other agents kroenkes teams could sign when the options are there. it works bad for both parties, which is why neither should have any interest in actually following through....which is what makes the nets the most likely deal here.

2) He isn't 12 years old. He isn't going to take his ball and go home if people don't let him have it his way. He's a business man. He's used to hardball negotiations

3) Kinda brings me back to point 1, that kind of stuff just doesn't happen in the grown up world.

he's used to hardball negotiations, but not getting screwed over, ****ed on, and made a fool of.
from all indications, he was personally insulted with the whole wedding toast thing and stoudemire/paul/melo basically rubbing it in his face that melo wouldn't be in denver much longer. that's not forgotten easily.

Trust me, an owner that tries to power play player's organizations into the ground is not going to be around for long.

and players and agents that power play owners into submission are completely okay?
can't have it both ways. and its gotta end somewhere.

[elbowthrower]

Trust me, an owner that tries to power play player's organizations into the ground is not going to be around for long.

Kroenke's been around a while.

[Blackmun]

and players and agents that power play owners into submission are completely okay?
can't have it both ways. and its gotta end somewhere.

Actually, you can. Players are in a completely different position than owners are. Heck, that lies in the word owner. The standard that applies to one does not apply to the other.

But you're also not talking about Kroenke "punishing" Melo for Melo's behaviour. You're talking about Kroenke punishing a bunch of other people who have absolutely nothing to do with Melo, neither personally or professionally, for Melo's actions.

Very different things.

An agency functions much like a lawyer does. They owe 110% loyalty to their clients and absolutely 0% loyalty to the sports franchises they deal with. Kroenke certainly understands that whatever Leon Rose and the rest of the CAA does on behalf of Melo is just doing their job.

Kroenke's been around a while.

Yeah, and he has never done anything like what corona suggests he could/should/might be doing.

[cb1115]

Not sure if it's worth posting but:

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
Chauncey on court at Nuggets shootaround. Melo too.

[Prot9]

Exactly. Knicks fans realize that they can't really compete with NJ's offer. How can they? They have a #3 pick loaded with potential on a 4 yr rookie deal. They have 5 1st round picks, two of which are likely lottery. And the Nets are absolutely desperate to acquire Melo.

No one's arguing that a package of Gallo (or Chandler)/AR/1st (plus swapping Harrington's deal with Azubuike's insured contract) is competitive with NJ's offer of Favors + Harris + lottery 1sts. It isn't. The hope for us Knick fans is not to compete with the Nets' offer, but that Carmelo rejects the Nets' advances, and forces Denver to work out a deal with NY. The alternative at that point is taking some sort of rental package from Houston or Dallas or NJ, which believe me, is not going to consist of lottery picks.

A rational Knicks fan. Wow, I never thought this day would come.

[cb1115]

Anybody else think this is kinda funny?

SpearsNBAYahoo Marc J. Spears
"I will answer any question yall want just as long as it aint no trade questions," Melo said

[elbowthrower]

Yeah, and he has never done anything like what corona suggests he could/should/might be doing.

How do you know that? He's notorious for operating in secrecy.

[corona]

Kroenke certainly understands that whatever Leon Rose and the rest of the CAA does on behalf of Melo is just doing their job.

and when it's sneaky under the table tactics to try to circumvent the cba and collude with other teams/players, then kroenke shouldn't be forced to interact with caa in the future. there has to be some sort of checks and balances on agents/players, or the cba is completely useless.

Yeah, and he has never done anything like what corona suggests he could/should/might be doing.

and as far as i know he hasn't been (potentially) screwed like this in the past. so who knows.

[triplet1984]

New Jersey needs to show a willingness to walk away from the table. They don't have to actually do it, but they seem so desperate that Denver is just taking every chance to wring more concessions. Flat out say "our offer is better than the Knicks offer. Take it or leave it. If you want to hurt your team to spite us, or are using us as leverage for the Knicks, fine, we're done talking. Call us when you've decided." and leave.

[LApwnd]

New Jersey needs to show a willingness to walk away from the table. They don't have to actually do it, but they seem so desperate that Denver is just taking every chance to wring more concessions. Flat out say "our offer is better than the Knicks offer. Take it or leave it. If you want to hurt your team to spite us, or are using us as leverage for the Knicks, fine, we're done talking. Call us when you've decided." and leave.

sounds nice but NJ is that desperate that it wont happen

[cb1115]

Sounds like this could take a while.

Chris_Broussard Chris Broussard
With $17 million worth of savings coming its way, Det will be patient with Den & NJ. No timetable for them to get deal done, sources say.

[Blackmun]

and when it's sneaky under the table tactics to try to circumvent the cba and collude with other teams/players, then kroenke shouldn't be forced to interact with caa in the future. there has to be some sort of checks and balances on agents/players, or the cba is completely useless.

This doesn't even resemble rational thought, so I don't really know how to reply to it. How does getting traded equate circumventing the CBA?

[SpeedyG]

LoL...Denver wants Griffin for Melo.

Good luck on that one Tajiri.