Metta World Peace elbow to Harden

[Nuntius]

There was clearly an intent to injure there.

Not trying to defend Artest (as you can clearly see) but I don't believe that he had any intent whatsoever. Intention requires thinking. There's no way that any thought crossed his mind there.

And as I said that's exactly the problem.

[Conclusion]

I didn't think he purposefully meant to clock Harden. He was probably filled with testosterone and by his very erratic and violent nature clocked whoever got in his way for his celebration.

He still should be suspended for some games.

[MastaStrategist]

I didn't think he purposefully meant to clock Harden. He was probably filled with testosterone and by his very erratic and violent nature clocked whoever got in his way for his celebration.

He still should be suspended for some games.

Agreed

[-[Clippers]-]

An intent to give him a concussion? You sound like your Clippers commentators now. Not a good thing.

An intent to injure... the concussion was just the ultimate result.

And thanks for complimenting me by comparing me to that legend Ralph Lawler. Settle down, Mike Smith.

[-[Clippers]-]

There was clearly an intent to injure there.

Not trying to defend Artest (as you can clearly see) but I don't believe that he had any intent whatsoever. Intention requires thinking. There's no way that any thought crossed his mind there.

And as I said that's exactly the problem.

Intent doesn't always require a complicated thought process. He probably just thought "this guy's in my way, I need to **** him up" and that's all it took for an ugly cheap shot to happen.

[MastaStrategist]

An intent to give him a concussion? You sound like your Clippers commentators now. Not a good thing.

An intent to injure... the concussion was just the ultimate result.

And thanks for complimenting me by comparing me to that legend Ralph Lawler. Settle down, Mike Smith.

I like Lawler too. It's just generally known to the rest of the world what homers the Clippers commentators are.

And if you believe MWP was intentionally trying to knock Harden out there, idk what to tell you.

[Jeff23]

I wonder how the opinions of some of the guys defending ron would change if it was Kobe getting elbowed like that by lets say Perkins.

[Kobe2ndFiddle]

You're right and Ron is in that 99.9% who don't intentionally knock out an opposing player with a concussion.

There was clearly an intent to injure there. If you don't see that, you're in denial. Artest has total anger problems that he has proven unable to rein in over and over again.

No.


there is no clear intent to injure, there is an intent to clear space and or swing at Harden but I do not think Artest wanted to connect to Harden's head like that. It was deliberate, yes, but not in a malicious way.

[MeloNY]

I'm calling it now, 10 game suspension. Stern is going to send a message but I don't think Ron will get banned for a year as some people are saying.

[Vball_tl16]

Is is just me or did anyone notice how after that, no one went to see how harden was. Ibaka went to confront Ron rather then check on harden.

[MastaStrategist]

You're right and Ron is in that 99.9% who don't intentionally knock out an opposing player with a concussion.

There was clearly an intent to injure there. If you don't see that, you're in denial. Artest has total anger problems that he has proven unable to rein in over and over again.

No.


there is no clear intent to injure, there is an intent to clear space and or swing at Harden but I do not think Artest wanted to connect to Harden's head like that. It was deliberate, yes, but not in a malicious way.

You won't convince this guy Anything bad for the Lakers is like X-mas in April.

[Effigy]

I didn't think he purposefully meant to clock Harden. He was probably filled with testosterone and by his very erratic and violent nature clocked whoever got in his way for his celebration.

He still should be suspended for some games.

Agreed

You're both wrong. If he didn't mean to do it, some surprise would have registered on his face when his elbow slammed into another player's skull. He would have stopped to check on how the player was doing, not kept prancing down the court. There's no doubt at all it was intentional. Only the largest of homer would try to argue otherwise.

[Nuntius]

bingo...remember the look in his eyes after the main events of the brawl, when he was being held back by the Indy staff? He looked like the scariest person I had ever seen.

Grantland had a great article about it.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/761 ... ice-palace

Here are some very interesting quotes about the incident:

Stephen Jackson: After we calmed down, [Artest] looked at me like, "Jack, you think we going to get in trouble?" Jamaal Tinsley fell out laughing. I said, "Are you serious, bro? Trouble? Ron, we'll be lucky if we have a freaking job." That lets me know he wasn't in his right mind, to ask that question.

Scot Pollard: That's 100 percent true. We laughed our asses off about that. "Yeah, Ron. Yeah, there are going to be some problems, buddy. You hit a fan." I couldn't believe it. He was in shock that what he had just done was bad. I don't know what his mentality is like on the inside, but outside looking in, you can sit there and say, "Wow. That's trippy that somebody can go through that type of experience and wonder if there's going to be repercussions."

Daniel Artest: I talked to Ron like 10 minutes after everything happened. It was just like a regular conversation. He said, "They threw something at me, so I went into the stands and handled it." The way we were talking, he didn't think the league was going to come down hard on him. We thought he would probably miss some games, like five games at the most.

Artest did not know that what he did was bad. Just like he does now with his tweets. He does not realize that what he did could cause a serious injury.

That's why you have to question his sanity.

[sir G Wallace]

Kick him off the league. How many criminally violent offenses do you get before they kick you the **** out?

[taj2133]

Perhaps Oklahoma City Thunder guard Thabo Sefolosha said it best when the described Metta World Peace’s hit on James Harden as “stupid.”
“During the review I saw it,” Sefolosha said. “Stupid play. Stupid play. We don’t need that.”
Thunder coach Scott Brooks called World Peace’s flying elbow to the head “a bad play… a dangerous play.”
“It’s not a play that should be involved in basketball,” Brooks said. “And it’s unfortunate it happened. I know Ron (Artest), but unfortunately it did happen. You can’t do that. That’s unacceptable.”
World Peace is expected to be slapped with a multi-game suspension by the league after what he called an “unintentional” elbow that caught Harden near his right temple. Harden reportedly suffered a concussion and his status for the Thunder’s remaining games is uncertain.
Kevin Durant said he didn’t get a good look at the play, but was happy Harden was well enough to walk out of Staples Center on his own.
“It was a bad play,” Durant said. “Hopefully Ron didn’t do it intentionally or had any malicious intentions on that. But it is what it is. We got to move past that. (Harden) felt good. Obviously, we had to make sure he was all right going down the line.
“Our trainers and stuff do a great job and we believe in them 100 percent. I’m looking forward to James being back out there.”
Kendick Perkins went so far to call World Peace “a good dude.”
“So I know he wouldn’t try to hurt nobody,” Perkins said. “It happens and we just hope to have James back for the next game.”
http://lakers.ocregister.com/2012/04/22 ... ons/71282/

[-[Clippers]-]

You won't convince this guy Anything bad for the Lakers is like X-mas in April.

You seriously think my disgust at Artest's actions are based on team loyalty? You are completely delusional.

[Kobe2ndFiddle]

I'm calling it now, 10 game suspension. Stern is going to send a message but I don't think Ron will get banned for a year as some people are saying.

the majority on this board want a lifeban on Artest.

I agree with the 10 game suspension though.

[MastaStrategist]

You won't convince this guy Anything bad for the Lakers is like X-mas in April.

You seriously think my disgust at Artest's actions are based on team loyalty? You are completely delusional.

Based on the posts I've seen from you throughout my time here? Yes, I do.

[hisairness]

I'm glad it happen to Harden and no one else.Let's see Harden talk his **** now

its fine to talk **** if you back it up with your basketball skills. Harden does that, so do all the good players. Talk **** to me and Ill come back and dunk on you or embarrass you either by dropping points on you or shutting you down. That belongs in basketball, what Ron did doesn't.

[Nuntius]

Intent doesn't always require a complicated thought process. He probably just thought "this guy's in my way, I need to **** him up" and that's all it took for an ugly cheap shot to happen.

I'm not talking about any complicated thought process. All the incidents with Artest have shown that he cannot think at all when pumped up or angry. And that's the problem.

Guys who can at least think at some point can stop. MWP cannot and that's why he is 10 times more dangerous than any other player in the league.