Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[OsuCavsfan103]

Cavs should simply scoff at any low offers for Kyrie right now, and keep him til the trade deadline and re-evaluate then. We don't have to trade him.

He is a 25 year old scoring machine, with over 25ppg on 5.8 assists, a 23PER, 47% FG 40% from 3, 90% FT shooter, multiple all-star, NBA finals experienced, and still has 2 guaranteed years on his contract. All our angst against him aside, he is still a ridiculously good player who probably hasn't peaked yet.

If teams want to keep offering weak deals, screw it. There is no reason we have to trade him.

Well anytime a allstar level player is traded, the team losing the allstar loses the deal 90% of he time. 95% if Billy King isn't involved. It happens over and over in the NBA and this won't likely be any different. Had George and Butler still been on the market the Cavs could have still made out quite well in a deal.

Which is more reason to sit back and wait. Teams are waiting for Cavs to panic, make a move just for the sake of making a move. If we were out West where it's ultra-tough, they would have more of a reason to. Here in the East, even with Rose playing PG we can easily finish top 3 in East. Honestly, it seems like Kyrie is butthurt because Cavs looked into trading him for PG13 if the deal was really that close. I have yet to hear Kyrie wanted out badly until that, so to me that is what likely what did it for him, which is pretty pathetic if you ask me. He waits til all the big names are gone, and then cries he wants out. He has done the Cavs zero favors this off-season, we don't owe him jack.

Honestly this is becoming more pathetic than LeBron in 2010 sadly. He will not get that much hate from CLE because frankly CLE doesn't care about him like we do LeBron, but he is quickly making himself hated and he is starting to give himself a poor reputation of being a pre-madonna. I guess if he wants to alienate an entire city based off his ego and feelings, then whatever.

[Manute Lol]

Cavs should simply scoff at any low offers for Kyrie right now, and keep him til the trade deadline and re-evaluate then. We don't have to trade him.

He is a 25 year old scoring machine, with over 25ppg on 5.8 assists, a 23PER, 47% FG 40% from 3, 90% FT shooter, multiple all-star, NBA finals experienced, and still has 2 guaranteed years on his contract. All our angst against him aside, he is still a ridiculously good player who probably hasn't peaked yet.

If teams want to keep offering weak deals, screw it. There is no reason we have to trade him.

Well anytime a allstar level player is traded, the team losing the allstar loses the deal 90% of he time. 95% if Billy King isn't involved. It happens over and over in the NBA and this won't likely be any different. Had George and Butler still been on the market the Cavs could have still made out quite well in a deal.

Which is more reason to sit back and wait. Teams are waiting for Cavs to panic, make a move just for the sake of making a move. If we were out West where it's ultra-tough, they would have more of a reason to. Here in the East, even with Rose playing PG we can easily finish top 3 in East. Honestly, it seems like Kyrie is butthurt because Cavs looked into trading him for PG13 if the deal was really that close. I have yet to hear Kyrie wanted out badly until that, so to me that is what likely what did it for him, which is pretty pathetic if you ask me. He waits til all the big names are gone, and then cries he wants out. He has done the Cavs zero favors this off-season, we don't owe him jack.

Honestly this is becoming more pathetic than LeBron in 2010 sadly. He will not get that much hate from CLE because frankly CLE doesn't care about him like we do LeBron, but he is quickly making himself hated and he is starting to give himself a poor reputation of being a pre-madonna. I guess if he wants to alienate an entire city based off his ego and feelings, then whatever.

Lolwut?

[Saberestar]

Cavs should simply scoff at any low offers for Kyrie right now, and keep him til the trade deadline and re-evaluate then. We don't have to trade him.

He is a 25 year old scoring machine, with over 25ppg on 5.8 assists, a 23PER, 47% FG 40% from 3, 90% FT shooter, multiple all-star, NBA finals experienced, and still has 2 guaranteed years on his contract. All our angst against him aside, he is still a ridiculously good player who probably hasn't peaked yet.

If teams want to keep offering weak deals, screw it. There is no reason we have to trade him.

If the reports of him cutting off contact with the entire Cavaliers franchise are true, as well the reports of him being supremely unhappy there, then that's plainly not an option. It wouldn't be good for morale for him, nor for James, nor the rest of the roster; what's more is if you want Lebron to stay long term - which is seeming increasingly unlikely - then a move needs to be made to appease him at this point.

Sure it is, if we don't get a deal worthy of a trade. Heck, we can sit him out if we feel like it, for the regular season we got Drose now, which regular season wise will do for awhile til Kyrie can be flipped.

Why should the Cavaliers be forced to sell Kyrie for cheap when he has 2 years left on his deal? At some point we have to trade him barring some unexpected turnaround sure, but for now we do not. This whole mantra people have of us needing to unload him before the season starts is ludicrous, and exactly what teams are sitting back preying on.

If Kyrie wants to be the man, he has to man up, be mature, and play basketball under his contract until a move that makes sense is there. If he wants to be a child, ignore the team, and do all that, he is only hurting himself.

In the NBA if a player doesn't want to play for you anymore you have to trade him. Period.

This has happened hundreds of times, nothing new to see here. They are gonna trade him for the best offer before the beginning of the season. There are not other options out there at this point.

[NBAfan3024]

Be interesting if Lebron and Kyrie can restart their relationship if he is still there come training camp.

[OsuCavsfan103]

Well anytime a allstar level player is traded, the team losing the allstar loses the deal 90% of he time. 95% if Billy King isn't involved. It happens over and over in the NBA and this won't likely be any different. Had George and Butler still been on the market the Cavs could have still made out quite well in a deal.

Which is more reason to sit back and wait. Teams are waiting for Cavs to panic, make a move just for the sake of making a move. If we were out West where it's ultra-tough, they would have more of a reason to. Here in the East, even with Rose playing PG we can easily finish top 3 in East. Honestly, it seems like Kyrie is butthurt because Cavs looked into trading him for PG13 if the deal was really that close. I have yet to hear Kyrie wanted out badly until that, so to me that is what likely what did it for him, which is pretty pathetic if you ask me. He waits til all the big names are gone, and then cries he wants out. He has done the Cavs zero favors this off-season, we don't owe him jack.

Honestly this is becoming more pathetic than LeBron in 2010 sadly. He will not get that much hate from CLE because frankly CLE doesn't care about him like we do LeBron, but he is quickly making himself hated and he is starting to give himself a poor reputation of being a pre-madonna. I guess if he wants to alienate an entire city based off his ego and feelings, then whatever.

Lolwut?

lol meant primmadona. My bad lol

[OsuCavsfan103]

If the reports of him cutting off contact with the entire Cavaliers franchise are true, as well the reports of him being supremely unhappy there, then that's plainly not an option. It wouldn't be good for morale for him, nor for James, nor the rest of the roster; what's more is if you want Lebron to stay long term - which is seeming increasingly unlikely - then a move needs to be made to appease him at this point.

Sure it is, if we don't get a deal worthy of a trade. Heck, we can sit him out if we feel like it, for the regular season we got Drose now, which regular season wise will do for awhile til Kyrie can be flipped.

Why should the Cavaliers be forced to sell Kyrie for cheap when he has 2 years left on his deal? At some point we have to trade him barring some unexpected turnaround sure, but for now we do not. This whole mantra people have of us needing to unload him before the season starts is ludicrous, and exactly what teams are sitting back preying on.

If Kyrie wants to be the man, he has to man up, be mature, and play basketball under his contract until a move that makes sense is there. If he wants to be a child, ignore the team, and do all that, he is only hurting himself.

In the NBA if a player doesn't want to play for you anymore you have to trade him. Period.

This has happened hundreds of times, nothing new to see here. They are gonna trade him for the best offer before the beginning of the season. There are not other options out there at this point.

No you don't. Especially when you have them for 2 years still and he isn't even your best player. Not right away anyhow. You have to show that you aren't in panic mode. It's people in your thinking that get fleeced badly because they panic, they let the player dictate more than they should. Heck, we haven't even had training camp yet. At some point we probably will have to trade him, but jumping at lowball offers is the stupidest thing you could do. Look at Minnesota, they were looking at losing Love, Cavs tried and tried to send other pieces before Wiggins trying to play into their sense of panic and get something before you lose him for nothing... which Cavs aren't even in right now. Minnesota didn't buy their bluff, Cavs should not either. Especially when it's a new GM trying to make a name for himself in Altman and an owner who already was on recording criticising Indy for making a similar foolish move, which Indy had more reason to panic than Cavs do.

[Warriorfan]

IMO Kyrie is a lesser player than Butler Cousins PG and it is established what they went for.

Kyrie won't get you past the Warriors so I'd wait till his value goes down.

Teague plus rookie deals plus lotto protected pick is the max I'd deal Irving for.

[John Murdoch]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y932g9bd

plus a 2020 1st top 10 protected from CHA

[jbk1234]

If the reports of him cutting off contact with the entire Cavaliers franchise are true, as well the reports of him being supremely unhappy there, then that's plainly not an option. It wouldn't be good for morale for him, nor for James, nor the rest of the roster; what's more is if you want Lebron to stay long term - which is seeming increasingly unlikely - then a move needs to be made to appease him at this point.

Sure it is, if we don't get a deal worthy of a trade. Heck, we can sit him out if we feel like it, for the regular season we got Drose now, which regular season wise will do for awhile til Kyrie can be flipped.

Why should the Cavaliers be forced to sell Kyrie for cheap when he has 2 years left on his deal? At some point we have to trade him barring some unexpected turnaround sure, but for now we do not. This whole mantra people have of us needing to unload him before the season starts is ludicrous, and exactly what teams are sitting back preying on.

If Kyrie wants to be the man, he has to man up, be mature, and play basketball under his contract until a move that makes sense is there. If he wants to be a child, ignore the team, and do all that, he is only hurting himself.

In the NBA if a player doesn't want to play for you anymore you have to trade him. Period.

This has happened hundreds of times, nothing new to see here. They are gonna trade him for the best offer before the beginning of the season. There are not other options out there at this point.

You can argue you should trade him but you don't *have to.* At a minimum, they can wait until December 15th when Rubio becomes available.

[OsuCavsfan103]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y932g9bd

plus a 2020 1st top 10 protected from CHA

I don't really see what this does for CLE, especially with a top 10 protection. Kemba is great but still isn't as good as Kyrie. Batum is ok, but 22million and 4 years left on his contract doesn't help us at all if we have to rebuild, and Batum is not a player that is going to make us really significantly better.

Essentially, that deal maybe, just maybe makes us a little better than this past year, but it further hurts our future if LeBron leaves. We are then stuck with a guy who would in no way help us rebuild well paying Batum for 3 more seasons at far more than he is probably worth. We have enough of that with JR and to an extent TT.

[The_Hater]

If the reports of him cutting off contact with the entire Cavaliers franchise are true, as well the reports of him being supremely unhappy there, then that's plainly not an option. It wouldn't be good for morale for him, nor for James, nor the rest of the roster; what's more is if you want Lebron to stay long term - which is seeming increasingly unlikely - then a move needs to be made to appease him at this point.

Sure it is, if we don't get a deal worthy of a trade. Heck, we can sit him out if we feel like it, for the regular season we got Drose now, which regular season wise will do for awhile til Kyrie can be flipped.

Why should the Cavaliers be forced to sell Kyrie for cheap when he has 2 years left on his deal? At some point we have to trade him barring some unexpected turnaround sure, but for now we do not. This whole mantra people have of us needing to unload him before the season starts is ludicrous, and exactly what teams are sitting back preying on.

If Kyrie wants to be the man, he has to man up, be mature, and play basketball under his contract until a move that makes sense is there. If he wants to be a child, ignore the team, and do all that, he is only hurting himself.

In the NBA if a player doesn't want to play for you anymore you have to trade him. Period.

This has happened hundreds of times, nothing new to see here. They are gonna trade him for the best offer before the beginning of the season. There are not other options out there at this point.

Kobe made a public trade demand. The Lakers shopped him and even had a couple of deals in place. He went nowhere and later won 2 more championships with the Lakers.

Trading the player is preferable but sometimes it's in the best interests of the team not too and other times the player has a change of heart. Opinions aren't stagnant.

[NBAFan93]

Be interesting if Lebron and Kyrie can restart their relationship if he is still there come training camp.

I think they can if it comes down to that (aka the Cavs dont get any offers that are good enough by the start of TC/the season). It would make an interesting narrative and get the Cavs a lot of attention. Plus, Kyrie and his play would be under a media microscope, people would focus on him vs. LeBron stats when they play more than just LeBron and he may like that if all this stuff about him wanting to be the man (which I'm still not sure I believe) is true...

[BasketballFan7]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y932g9bd

plus a 2020 1st top 10 protected from CHA

Awesome trade for Cleveland.

[phraoh]

Talk of keeping Kyrie until Mid December or to the trade deadline is both ridiculous and not going to happen. The most important reason why not, is what if he gets hurt in training camp or beginning of the season. Whatever offers you are getting now will look like gold compared to what you get then. I shouldn't have to speak any further really on why he needs to be traded now, but if you want more reasons, how about needing time to blend in the new guys, instead of doing it in the middle of the year, as well as how do we know the team will play with this all out in the open? Will Kyrie dog it, so he forces Cavs to trade him? And don't think he wouldn't do that....he just wants to be traded...he doesn't care what the Cavs get for him; in fact he probably prefers they get not much, so they won't be good, and everyone will say....look how much they miss Kyrie. He is making a selfish move, and if he stays, will be selfish and be for himself not the team...you are asking for problems if he stays...get the best deal you can for him and move on.

[NBAFan93]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y932g9bd

plus a 2020 1st top 10 protected from CHA

Awesome trade for Cleveland.

Yeah - this would be a deal I'd support for Cleveland. Kemba is awesome and I think he could really help them... I'd also support a deal w/ Boston for IT, Crowder, pick... Another possibility is DJ and Beverly from LAC...

Otherwise, Cleveland should just hold on to him and make them work things out.

[LivingLegend]

If they cannot get what they want, they need to hold onto him. Beverly + DJ is awesome but it still leaves the Cavs with a massive hole with a primary scoring option on the wing. Thats why I would much rather prefer a

Bledsoe/Jackson
Kemba/Batum
Murray/Harris/Chandler
Dragic/Johnson/Ellington
Thomas/Brown/Crowder

Deadlines spur action. Wait and see and I feel like a lot of teams right now areare low balling eachother and 'denying' their interest because they are feeling everything out and what other teams are offering. If the Cavs sit back and wait, let the teams come to them when the season near closer. I feel like somebody will try and swoop in the middle of the night and offer the Cavs something big to undercut the other suitors. Thats when the Cavs need to pounce.

[The Rebel]

If they cannot get what they want, they need to hold onto him. Beverly + DJ is awesome but it still leaves the Cavs with a massive hole with a primary scoring option on the wing. Thats why I would much rather prefer a

Bledsoe/Jackson
Kemba/Batum
Murray/Harris/Chandler
Dragic/Johnson/Ellington
Thomas/Brown/Crowder

Deadlines spur action. Wait and see and I feel like a lot of teams right now areare low balling eachother and 'denying' their interest because they are feeling everything out and what other teams are offering. If the Cavs sit back and wait, let the teams come to them when the season near closer. I feel like somebody will try and swoop in the middle of the night and offer the Cavs something big to undercut the other suitors. Thats when the Cavs need to pounce.

Reports are out there that the Suns will not even include Chriss in their deal. Yet you think they get Jackson?
Also I wouldn't trade Harris or Murray for Irving given the situation and reported offers, no way I even consider both of them.l think you are significantly overvaluing Irving, teams don't even seem to be considering trading either of their top 2 prospects, I doubt any team gets that desperate any time soon.

[LivingLegend]

If they cannot get what they want, they need to hold onto him. Beverly + DJ is awesome but it still leaves the Cavs with a massive hole with a primary scoring option on the wing. Thats why I would much rather prefer a

Bledsoe/Jackson
Kemba/Batum
Murray/Harris/Chandler
Dragic/Johnson/Ellington
Thomas/Brown/Crowder

Deadlines spur action. Wait and see and I feel like a lot of teams right now areare low balling eachother and 'denying' their interest because they are feeling everything out and what other teams are offering. If the Cavs sit back and wait, let the teams come to them when the season near closer. I feel like somebody will try and swoop in the middle of the night and offer the Cavs something big to undercut the other suitors. Thats when the Cavs need to pounce.

Reports are out there that the Suns will not even include Chriss in their deal. Yet you think they get Jackson?
Also I wouldn't trade Harris or Murray for Irving given the situation and reported offers, no way I even consider both of them.l think you are significantly overvaluing Irving, teams don't even seem to be considering trading either of their top 2 prospects, I doubt any team gets that desperate any time soon.

I dont care what reports say--once upon a time there was 'No Way' Minnesota was going to trade Love for Wiggins straight up. All teams are in a feel it out stage right now and once the season gets closer, we will find out what teams will actually pay for Kyrie and I have a feeling a team that could use the merch/tix sales and publicity that Kyrie brings will be willing to give the Cavs what they want. Thats why I still have Phoenix, Charlotte and Denver as the real top contenders.

Those small market teams that have little to no chance of landing a top tier player in Free Agency are going to be the ones willing to pay the price for Kyrie because outside of drafting and developing for years, there is no other way for their teams to get a player of his caliber to come to their team/city.

[BeKuK]

The more I think about Kyrie's desicion to be traded, the more respect he deserves, imo. I completely agree with SAS here:

“Kyrie isn’t saying he’s better than LeBron and should be seen that way. He’s saying he’s not about to let LeBron ‘SON’ him … treating him like he’s the child and LeBron’s the father or big brother he’s supposed to look up to.

“Kyrie knows he’s a franchise-caliber talent. He wants to be treated like it. And he’s tired of hearing about what LeBron needs, and he’s damn sure tired of hearing LeBron sound like he always needs more. As if the crew they have isn’t enough.”

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/kyrie-irving-stephen-a-smith-lebron-james/

You can hate or love it, but right now Kyrie is a real man. He could have it easy and just stay in Cleveland - knowing he will be in the finals again. But he's not playing Lebron's game, because he's probably also leaving the Cavs next year.

Could the Spurs really trade for him? How good would a Spurs Team be with Kyrie? Kawhi Leonard is THE Face in San Antonio. 5% chance that Kyrie would like to go there.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Only trade that interest me from the Cavs perspective:

Charlotte trade giving back Kemba
Memphis trade giving back Conely
Clippers trade giving back Jordan and Beverly

I'm not doing the Denver or Phoenix trade.