MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

[yoyoboy]

What the hell have clippers done without Kawhi besides beat Hawks?

Lets see the games without Kawhi since you brought it up

- allowed 119 points to the 26th ranked offense grizzles and were losing under 5 mins left in the 4th quarter

- won by 2 points vs a -0.76 thunder team

- allowed 132 points and found a way to lose to a -2.02 SRS and 28th ranked defensive team

- lost to Utah

- lost to bucks

Geez what a juggernaut without Leonard. I guess you watched that hawks game over and over and that's what you are forming your opinion on? Cut the crap, I wasn't born yesterday pal. 5x better what a joke. AD is the best big man in the league right now. Clippers are better because Kawhi is better than LeBron, remember I told you that come playoff time.

The Clippers last year were a 1.5 SRS team and then added Paul George. The Lakers were a 25-30 win team without James, added Davis while losing Ingram/Ball/Hart.

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LeBron coasted last year and is playing better this year plus added a player better than he is.

Clippers have underwhelmed while Kawhi is out but still look at the SRS increase he has still given them from last season.

Cool, Toronto is playing even better than last year with Kawhi gone. And that’s despite Lowry and Ibaka missing half the season. Looks like his cast was pretty damn good last year after all.

[Dupp]

Yeah everything pointing to kawhi being carried and lebron being by far the best player on his team. Short lived time on the throne for sore thigh kawhi.

[mademan]

The Clippers last year were a 1.5 SRS team and then added Paul George. The Lakers were a 25-30 win team without James, added Davis while losing Ingram/Ball/Hart.

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LeBron coasted last year and is playing better this year plus added a player better than he is.

Clippers have underwhelmed while Kawhi is out but still look at the SRS increase he has still given them from last season.

Cool, Toronto is playing even better than last year with Kawhi gone. And that’s despite Lowry and Ibaka missing half the season. Looks like his cast was pretty damn good last year after all.

Clippers havent underwhelmed without Kawhi. Theyve underwhelmed without Kawhi and PG, but im not sure how you call a teams play without their 2 best players underwhelming.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

lol, kinda hard to win against Utah and Milly with 65% of your cap is not playing

Paul Geroge right now has a better BPM, TS%, PER and WS/48 than Leonard this year...he's been the clippers' best player, not Kawhi.

Kawhi has been overall more impactful player on both ends, that's why he beats teams like Lakers and raptors. While George loses to pelicans and barely beats Grizzles.

The way the team plays with just Leonard and no George > The way the team plays with just George and no Leonard

Come up with better arguments or i'm a just look at you like how M Harrell looks at the refs after he thinks he's going to get fouled and say "come on now" hahahha. That's all i have to say on the subject, you got me banned from PC board so I don't want to get into it with ya lol

come up with a better argument than George being better than Leonard across the board in impact stats? ok lol

Manu was also better than Duncan at TS, BPM, VORP in 2005. Its a long season man.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

The Clippers last year were a 1.5 SRS team and then added Paul George. The Lakers were a 25-30 win team without James, added Davis while losing Ingram/Ball/Hart.

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LeBron coasted last year and is playing better this year plus added a player better than he is.

Clippers have underwhelmed while Kawhi is out but still look at the SRS increase he has still given them from last season.

Cool, Toronto is playing even better than last year with Kawhi gone. And that’s despite Lowry and Ibaka missing half the season. Looks like his cast was pretty damn good last year after all.

Well Siakam has improved. I know one thing, in the 2019 playoff Siakam was scared **** in game 7 2nd round and the bucks series. Now that he has improved from last year, raptors have also improved. Regular season team only but in playoffs they are well known established chokers.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

LeBron coasted last year and is playing better this year plus added a player better than he is.

Clippers have underwhelmed while Kawhi is out but still look at the SRS increase he has still given them from last season.

Cool, Toronto is playing even better than last year with Kawhi gone. And that’s despite Lowry and Ibaka missing half the season. Looks like his cast was pretty damn good last year after all.

Clippers havent underwhelmed without Kawhi. Theyve underwhelmed without Kawhi and PG, but im not sure how you call a teams play without their 2 best players underwhelming.

Don't go around saying they are 5x better than everybody else than, like Colb did.

[yoyoboy]

LeBron coasted last year and is playing better this year plus added a player better than he is.

Clippers have underwhelmed while Kawhi is out but still look at the SRS increase he has still given them from last season.

Cool, Toronto is playing even better than last year with Kawhi gone. And that’s despite Lowry and Ibaka missing half the season. Looks like his cast was pretty damn good last year after all.

Well Siakam has improved. I know one thing, in the 2019 playoff Siakam was scared **** in game 7 2nd round and the bucks series. Now that he has improved from last year, raptors have also improved. Regular season team only but in playoffs they are well known established chokers.

Kawhi must have been holding him back. Makes sense given his ISO tendencies.

[mademan]

Cool, Toronto is playing even better than last year with Kawhi gone. And that’s despite Lowry and Ibaka missing half the season. Looks like his cast was pretty damn good last year after all.

Clippers havent underwhelmed without Kawhi. Theyve underwhelmed without Kawhi and PG, but im not sure how you call a teams play without their 2 best players underwhelming.

Don't go around saying they are 5x better than everybody else than, like Colb did.

Theyve got borderline all-stars coming in off the bench. Their not 5X better than everyone else but they have by far the most talent in the league after their best player

[LeoBrooklyn]

Playing in the east can only be used to diminish LeBron I guess. And for people using the curry/durant cancel each other out narrative mind you that team had 2 other all star caliber players.

[clyde21]

Kawhi has been overall more impactful player on both ends, that's why he beats teams like Lakers and raptors. While George loses to pelicans and barely beats Grizzles.

The way the team plays with just Leonard and no George > The way the team plays with just George and no Leonard

Come up with better arguments or i'm a just look at you like how M Harrell looks at the refs after he thinks he's going to get fouled and say "come on now" hahahha. That's all i have to say on the subject, you got me banned from PC board so I don't want to get into it with ya lol

come up with a better argument than George being better than Leonard across the board in impact stats? ok lol

Manu was also better than Duncan at TS, BPM, VORP in 2005. Its a long season man.

good thing that has nothing to do with the MVP discussion today

[Vsauce12]

Playing in the east can only be used to diminish LeBron I guess. And for people using the curry/durant cancel each other out narrative mind you that team had 2 other all star caliber players.

If we want to diminish lebrons MVP conversation, we’ll mention the fact 14 of the lakers opponents literally have records below .500

Lebron isn’t winning MVP. Can’t take the lebron carrying the lakers narrative seriously when he was crashing and burning last season, now all of sudden he gets AD and they’re winning again. Can’t give lebron the credit

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Cool, Toronto is playing even better than last year with Kawhi gone. And that’s despite Lowry and Ibaka missing half the season. Looks like his cast was pretty damn good last year after all.

Well Siakam has improved. I know one thing, in the 2019 playoff Siakam was scared **** in game 7 2nd round and the bucks series. Now that he has improved from last year, raptors have also improved. Regular season team only but in playoffs they are well known established chokers.

Kawhi must have been holding him back. Makes sense given his ISO tendencies.

If holding him back is giving him a championship than it is what it it is.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Clippers havent underwhelmed without Kawhi. Theyve underwhelmed without Kawhi and PG, but im not sure how you call a teams play without their 2 best players underwhelming.

Don't go around saying they are 5x better than everybody else than, like Colb did.

Theyve got borderline all-stars coming in off the bench. Their not 5X better than everyone else but they have by far the most talent in the league after their best player

No one should confuse Lou Williams with an allstar, he's probably a top 50\60 player today at best. He has a 0.7 BPM and doesn't really play much defense.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

come up with a better argument than George being better than Leonard across the board in impact stats? ok lol

Manu was also better than Duncan at TS, BPM, VORP in 2005. Its a long season man.

good thing that has nothing to do with the MVP discussion today

Lebron is also 2nd in PER, TS, Win share 48 on his team but is still 2nd in votes on this poll.

[Steelo Green]

Manu was also better than Duncan at TS, BPM, VORP in 2005. Its a long season man.

good thing that has nothing to do with the MVP discussion today

Lebron is also 2nd in PER, TS, Win share 48 on his team but is still 2nd in votes on this poll.

Not that I am picking sides but WS/48 and PER are based on raw stats and not great indicators of on the court impact on winning.

Demar for example scores 25, but he is a perennial loser because of what he does while on the court.

[LeoBrooklyn]

Playing in the east can only be used to diminish LeBron I guess. And for people using the curry/durant cancel each other out narrative mind you that team had 2 other all star caliber players.

If we want to diminish lebrons MVP conversation, we’ll mention the fact 14 of the lakers opponents literally have records below .500

Lebron isn’t winning MVP. Can’t take the lebron carrying the lakers narrative seriously when he was crashing and burning last season, now all of sudden he gets AD and they’re winning again. Can’t give lebron the credit

LeBron has a serious injury once in his career and misses the playoffs with a team filled young players who were also injured while a year prior he carried a lottery team to the finals and now all of a sudden the idea he cant carry a team is implausible?

I am not saying LeBron is the MVP right now I will give it to Giannis but this Idea that he is leaps ahead is wrong. I agree that the Lakers schedule has been light but they have taken care of business nonetheless. If the Lakers get the best record in the league/west and LeBron keeps up this production he should be MVP.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

good thing that has nothing to do with the MVP discussion today

Lebron is also 2nd in PER, TS, Win share 48 on his team but is still 2nd in votes on this poll.

Not that I am picking sides but WS/48 and PER are based on raw stats and not great indicators of on the court impact on winning.

Demar for example scores 25, but he is a perennial loser because of what he does while on the court.

I agree, that seems more like a team stat.

[Steelo Green]

Lebron is also 2nd in PER, TS, Win share 48 on his team but is still 2nd in votes on this poll.

Not that I am picking sides but WS/48 and PER are based on raw stats and not great indicators of on the court impact on winning.

Demar for example scores 25, but he is a perennial loser because of what he does while on the court.

I agree, that seems more like a team stat.

Yeah... I am saying points is what PER and WS/48 is based on, points, rebounds, asststs, steals, that is not necessarilty an indication of on the court impact to winning. Net rating on NBA's website is a lot better for that, impact stats, PIE. Not one but an amalgamation of them all should be used to create a picture. The highest adjusted for minutes and usage is Giannis, followed by Pascal, PG, Lebron, Embiid, Jimmy, Kawhi, Jokic, Doncic.

[HBK_Kliq_33]

Not that I am picking sides but WS/48 and PER are based on raw stats and not great indicators of on the court impact on winning.

Demar for example scores 25, but he is a perennial loser because of what he does while on the court.

I agree, that seems more like a team stat.

Yeah... I am saying points is what PER and WS/48 is based on, points, rebounds, asststs, steals, that is not necessarilty an indication of on the court impact to winning. Net rating on NBA's website is a lot better for that, impact stats, PIE. Not one but an amalgamation of them all should be used to create a picture. The highest adjusted for minutes and usage is Giannis, followed by Pascal, PG, Lebron, Embiid, Jimmy, Kawhi, Jokic, Doncic.

PIE seems like an underrated stat.

Top 5: Giannis, Luka, Embiid, Kawhi, Lebron.

That's probably the 5 best players in the NBA right now too.

[Colbinii]

I agree, that seems more like a team stat.

Yeah... I am saying points is what PER and WS/48 is based on, points, rebounds, asststs, steals, that is not necessarilty an indication of on the court impact to winning. Net rating on NBA's website is a lot better for that, impact stats, PIE. Not one but an amalgamation of them all should be used to create a picture. The highest adjusted for minutes and usage is Giannis, followed by Pascal, PG, Lebron, Embiid, Jimmy, Kawhi, Jokic, Doncic.

PIE seems like an underrated stat.

Top 5: Giannis, Luka, Embiid, Kawhi, Lebron.

That's probably the 5 best players in the NBA right now too.

Brah 2 weeks ago you were raging about BPM being the best statistic because Kawhi was towards the top in it. You were also raging about his PER when it was 35.

Now that those numbers have come down you jump to another statistic. It's sad. But I do truly hope that you coming on these forums is benefiting your life because the lengths you go through to prop up Kawhi is what I can only assume an escape mechanic for something troubling in life.

I hope you find what you are looking for on these forums because basketball obviously isn't it.

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