ESPN's 'The Last Dance' -- ongoing discussion

[Slava]

Eight episodes in and so far the best compliment Jordan gave anyone goes to Payton, "I have no problem with the glove".

[LKN]

"The 1994 Bulls run the triangle to perfection"..... LOL, what are they smoking

In 1994 Bulls basically had every single good to decent offensive player from both 3 peat teams all at once (other than MJ)...

Pippen
Grant
Kukoc
Paxson
Armstrong
Kerr
Longley
Cartwright
Wennington (yeah, I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel)

The couldn't even put up on ORTG in the top half of the league (14th out of 27).

[Petergrifindor]

Eight episodes in and so far the best compliment Jordan gave anyone goes to Payton, "I have no problem with the glove".

You must be looking other documental.

He has complimented Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Kerr, Scott Burrell, Isiah, Magic, Bird, Phil, his father, his brother, his mother...

[LKN]

Eight episodes in and so far the best compliment Jordan gave anyone goes to Payton, "I have no problem with the glove".

You must be looking other documental.

He has complimented Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Kerr, Scott Burrell, Isiah, Magic, Bird, Phil, his father, his brother, his mother...

[BuckFan25226]

The outside shooting argument falls apart on both sides due to the issue of completely different era's.

If you throw Jordan's talent and work ethic into today's game, he would have made himself a 3 point threat.

With the systems in the 80's and 90's, LeBron would have been utilized differently. Jordan has the edge based on the fact that he was a complete psycho, you just can't teach how he's wired.

[Alize]

The outside shooting argument falls apart on both sides due to the issue of completely different era's.

If you throw Jordan's talent and work ethic into today's game, he would have made himself a 3 point threat.

With the systems in the 80's and 90's, LeBron would have been utilized differently. Jordan has the edge based on the fact that he was a complete psycho, you just can't teach how he's wired.

Who says he didnt work hard to become more of an outside threat? There is only a limited amount of time to work and become better at something, Michael clearly focused on his mid-range game and 3 point shooting during his career, he was trash at outside shooting when he came into the league and hard work made him excellent in mid range and average from outside.


the only thing we know is he was a 33% average 3 point shooter during his career

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[KGtabake]

Lol, he is a better shooter than Michael, Lebron cracked 40% 3PFG on high volume shooting in a season, most of his clutch shots are threes, yet its mediocore, so Michael is a bad shooter i guess

There is a place on the court, right inside the 3pt line. It's the place where MJ took a loooooooooooot of shots in his career.
You may have heard people calling these shots as "midrange".
Also a free throw also counts as "shooting". Because it's a shot.
Think about that for a bit, take a look at their percentages and then come back and say that LeBron is a better shooter than the MJ.

We'll forget what we already know with this pandemic XD

[Alize]

Lol, he is a better shooter than Michael, Lebron cracked 40% 3PFG on high volume shooting in a season, most of his clutch shots are threes, yet its mediocore, so Michael is a bad shooter i guess

There is a place on the court, right inside the 3pt line. It's the place where MJ took a loooooooooooot of shots in his career.
You may have heard people calling these shots as "midrange".
Also a free throw also counts as "shooting". Because it's a shot.
Think about that for a bit, take a look at their percentages and then come back and say that LeBron is a better shooter than the MJ.

We'll forget what we already know with this pandemic XD

Its about outside shooting, dude
Jordan is better at mid-range.

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[KGtabake]

Lol, he is a better shooter than Michael, Lebron cracked 40% 3PFG on high volume shooting in a season, most of his clutch shots are threes, yet its mediocore, so Michael is a bad shooter i guess

There is a place on the court, right inside the 3pt line. It's the place where MJ took a loooooooooooot of shots in his career.
You may have heard people calling these shots as "midrange".
Also a free throw also counts as "shooting". Because it's a shot.
Think about that for a bit, take a look at their percentages and then come back and say that LeBron is a better shooter than the MJ.

We'll forget what we already know with this pandemic XD

Its about outside shooting, dude
Jordan is better at mid-range.

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But mid range IS an outside shot my man.
The term "outside shot" means "outside of the paint" lol
Have they changed it now?
And MJ is not only better at midrange. He's way better.
Just like he's better at free throws.

[mccluskey]

Jordanesque bullying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taco Tuesday & being friends with everyone

Sports should be war, not kindergarten.

IMO sports doesn't have to be "war."

It is obviously a competitive setting, but it doesn't have to be filled with hate or what not.

sure it doesn't have to be, but it's way more meaningful and fun to watch when it is.

[Brofessor24]

Jordanesque bullying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Taco Tuesday & being friends with everyone

Sports should be war, not kindergarten.

IMO sports doesn't have to be "war."

It is obviously a competitive setting, but it doesn't have to be filled with hate or what not.

sure it doesn't have to be, but it's way more meaningful and fun to watch when it is.

To me, it doesn't make a difference.

However, to each their own.

[LKN]

This argument is dumb anyways - LBJ can't even consistently make 3s at league average percentages. Like MJ - if he has a hot 3 point shooting night/season/playoff run it's just gravy.

[otwok]

Lol, he is a better shooter than Michael, Lebron cracked 40% 3PFG on high volume shooting in a season, most of his clutch shots are threes, yet its mediocore, so Michael is a bad shooter i guess

There is a place on the court, right inside the 3pt line. It's the place where MJ took a loooooooooooot of shots in his career.
You may have heard people calling these shots as "midrange".
Also a free throw also counts as "shooting". Because it's a shot.
Think about that for a bit, take a look at their percentages and then come back and say that LeBron is a better shooter than the MJ.

We'll forget what we already know with this pandemic XD

Its about outside shooting, dude
Jordan is better at mid-range.

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When Jordan came back from his first retirement, he wasn't attacking the basket as much. George Karl was then asked what's the difference between Jordan now and then, George Karl then said something like he was a shooter now and took a lot more outside shots. Where was Jordan shooting? Mid-range. At that time and this time - outside shooting was anything outside the paint. This was well understood then and now except for a select few.

[The Rodzilla]

Thank you for laying it all out for this guy and hitting him with a dose of reality. For Rodzilla and others of his ilk, a layout of the facts, aided by commentary that explains away the sequence of events in a clear, logical manner, is a service to people like this, whether they view it that way or not. That said, he'll most likely ignore what you've laid out for him here, as people like this are stubborn as hell towards knowing the facts of the matter when the facts of the matter don't fit the narrative they desperately want to be the case.

Kind of like an intervention. They're only effective when the person you're attempting to intervene with, himself, wants to be helped and is ready to accept such help. It takes a certain amount of emotional maturity to take that leap. Nothing this guy has posted indicates he's anywhere near ready to take on an objective point of view. Perhaps one day this clearly young fella will get there, but I wouldn't expect it any time soon.

the layout of the facts supports my argument though, I still don't understand your sequence of events, maybe you are missing something?

you do know that "he" is the documentary guy and not Jordan right?, as in he saw something had changed in feb 2016 watching the oj simpson documentary

Jordan was still counting his money and his rings just like the last 18 years, the documentary guy couldn't even get past the Jordan filter boys

then LeBron had the true heroic performance, home town hero comes home and makes good, comes up off the canvas against unbeatable opposition, its like what batman would do

on that night that he won this guy gets a call that he can finally meet with Jordan, so he takes the red eye over there and the green light is given the next day, its like an emergency cabinet meeting in the situation room, you should be embarrassed for arguing something different

Over the next few months, the conversations continued. Tollin sketched out a proposal of what an eight-episode series might look like. Finally, in June 2016, a meeting was set with Jordan, now owner of the Charlotte Hornets.
"He was preparing for the draft; they knew he'd be there in Charlotte," Tollin recalled. "They knew he hated meetings, so they said, 'Why don't you come and just hang out with us. There will be a break in the action between meetings, and we'll get some time with him?'"
Nothing firm. Nothing scheduled. That was about as good as it was going to get.
Tollin hopped on a red-eye from Los Angeles to Charlotte, checked into the Westin hotel around 8 a.m. and tried to catch a couple of hours of sleep before connecting with Portnoy.
"The universe has such a funny sense of humor," Tollin said. "Because when I woke up, I put on ESPN while I'm getting dressed, and there's LeBron [James] and the Cavaliers parading through the streets of Cleveland with the trophy that they'd just won."

[Alize]

Again thats a quote from the 90s..

today, in 2020, outside shooting is everything near 3pointers and beyond, 16ft to 3pt is basically dead today,
If a team searches for outside shooters today they dont look at mid-range guys who knock down 10 to 16ft jump shots lol

There is a place on the court, right inside the 3pt line. It's the place where MJ took a loooooooooooot of shots in his career.
You may have heard people calling these shots as "midrange".
Also a free throw also counts as "shooting". Because it's a shot.
Think about that for a bit, take a look at their percentages and then come back and say that LeBron is a better shooter than the MJ.

We'll forget what we already know with this pandemic XD

Its about outside shooting, dude
Jordan is better at mid-range.

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When Jordan came back from his first retirement, he wasn't attacking the basket as much. George Karl was then asked what's the difference between Jordan now and then, George Karl then said something like he was a shooter now and took a lot more outside shots. Where was Jordan shooting? Mid-range. At that time and this time - outside shooting was anything outside the paint. This was well understood then and now except for a select few.

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[twyzted]

Lol, he is a better shooter than Michael, Lebron cracked 40% 3PFG on high volume shooting in a season, most of his clutch shots are threes, yet its mediocore, so Michael is a bad shooter i guess

So your telling me that shooting 3.3 3pt shoots per game is high volume?
So by that logic Jordan shoot 3pt at a high rate at 36% given that 3, 3 pt per game qualifies as high volume
Then Lebron shoots 3pt at 34% at high volume

So its been awhile since i was at school but i think 36%>34%

That is excluding the shorter line years but if they were included it would be 38% 3pt

[California Gold]

Thank you for laying it all out for this guy and hitting him with a dose of reality. For Rodzilla and others of his ilk, a layout of the facts, aided by commentary that explains away the sequence of events in a clear, logical manner, is a service to people like this, whether they view it that way or not. That said, he'll most likely ignore what you've laid out for him here, as people like this are stubborn as hell towards knowing the facts of the matter when the facts of the matter don't fit the narrative they desperately want to be the case.

Kind of like an intervention. They're only effective when the person you're attempting to intervene with, himself, wants to be helped and is ready to accept such help. It takes a certain amount of emotional maturity to take that leap. Nothing this guy has posted indicates he's anywhere near ready to take on an objective point of view. Perhaps one day this clearly young fella will get there, but I wouldn't expect it any time soon.

the layout of the facts supports my argument though, I still don't understand your sequence of events, maybe you are missing something?

you do know that "he" is the documentary guy and not Jordan right?, as in he saw something had changed in feb 2016 watching the oj simpson documentary

Jordan was still counting his money and his rings just like the last 18 years, the documentary guy couldn't even get past the Jordan filter boys

then LeBron had the true heroic performance, home town hero comes home and makes good, comes up off the canvas against unbeatable opposition, its like what batman would do

on that night that he won this guy gets a call that he can finally meet with Jordan, so he takes the red eye over there and the green light is given the next day, its like an emergency cabinet meeting in the situation room, you should be embarrassed for arguing something different

Over the next few months, the conversations continued. Tollin sketched out a proposal of what an eight-episode series might look like. Finally, in June 2016, a meeting was set with Jordan, now owner of the Charlotte Hornets.
"He was preparing for the draft; they knew he'd be there in Charlotte," Tollin recalled. "They knew he hated meetings, so they said, 'Why don't you come and just hang out with us. There will be a break in the action between meetings, and we'll get some time with him?'"
Nothing firm. Nothing scheduled. That was about as good as it was going to get.
Tollin hopped on a red-eye from Los Angeles to Charlotte, checked into the Westin hotel around 8 a.m. and tried to catch a couple of hours of sleep before connecting with Portnoy.
"The universe has such a funny sense of humor," Tollin said. "Because when I woke up, I put on ESPN while I'm getting dressed, and there's LeBron [James] and the Cavaliers parading through the streets of Cleveland with the trophy that they'd just won."

Once again, sounds a lot like what you want it to be and what's actually far from reality. Anyone can spin anything to convince themselves it's what they believe. You can certainly convince yourself the earth is flat -- hell an NBA player did it for a while.

Nobody really supports your viewpoint though as we can see in this thread or really anywhere on RealGM for that matter -- might have something to do with the bias outlook that you have on this subject. But anyways, I think we can close the loop on this guys. No sense in beating a rock.

[twyzted]

Again thats a quote from the 90s..

today, in 2020, outside shooting is everything near 3pointers and beyond, 16ft to 3pt is basically dead today,
If a team searches for outside shooters today they dont look at mid-range guys who knock down 10 to 16ft jump shots lol

Its about outside shooting, dude
Jordan is better at mid-range.

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When Jordan came back from his first retirement, he wasn't attacking the basket as much. George Karl was then asked what's the difference between Jordan now and then, George Karl then said something like he was a shooter now and took a lot more outside shots. Where was Jordan shooting? Mid-range. At that time and this time - outside shooting was anything outside the paint. This was well understood then and now except for a select few.

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Here is an article from december last year talking about westbrooks outside shooting woes and there he talks about shoots outside the paint and 3pt as outside shooting

http://www.nba.com/article/2019/12/13/friday-notebook-russell-westbrook-shooting-devonte-graham-dennis-schroder

I doubt they just changed it since then

[otwok]

Again thats a quote from the 90s..

today, in 2020, outside shooting is everything near 3pointers and beyond, 16ft to 3pt is basically dead today,
If a team searches for outside shooters today they dont look at mid-range guys who knock down 10 to 16ft jump shots lol

Its about outside shooting, dude
Jordan is better at mid-range.

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When Jordan came back from his first retirement, he wasn't attacking the basket as much. George Karl was then asked what's the difference between Jordan now and then, George Karl then said something like he was a shooter now and took a lot more outside shots. Where was Jordan shooting? Mid-range. At that time and this time - outside shooting was anything outside the paint. This was well understood then and now except for a select few.

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Your wrong and teams should. The last few years the Warriors have been the best midrange shooting team in the league and the best Western conference team while winning a few championships.

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[The Rodzilla]

Thank you for laying it all out for this guy and hitting him with a dose of reality. For Rodzilla and others of his ilk, a layout of the facts, aided by commentary that explains away the sequence of events in a clear, logical manner, is a service to people like this, whether they view it that way or not. That said, he'll most likely ignore what you've laid out for him here, as people like this are stubborn as hell towards knowing the facts of the matter when the facts of the matter don't fit the narrative they desperately want to be the case.

Kind of like an intervention. They're only effective when the person you're attempting to intervene with, himself, wants to be helped and is ready to accept such help. It takes a certain amount of emotional maturity to take that leap. Nothing this guy has posted indicates he's anywhere near ready to take on an objective point of view. Perhaps one day this clearly young fella will get there, but I wouldn't expect it any time soon.

the layout of the facts supports my argument though, I still don't understand your sequence of events, maybe you are missing something?

you do know that "he" is the documentary guy and not Jordan right?, as in he saw something had changed in feb 2016 watching the oj simpson documentary

Jordan was still counting his money and his rings just like the last 18 years, the documentary guy couldn't even get past the Jordan filter boys

then LeBron had the true heroic performance, home town hero comes home and makes good, comes up off the canvas against unbeatable opposition, its like what batman would do

on that night that he won this guy gets a call that he can finally meet with Jordan, so he takes the red eye over there and the green light is given the next day, its like an emergency cabinet meeting in the situation room, you should be embarrassed for arguing something different

Over the next few months, the conversations continued. Tollin sketched out a proposal of what an eight-episode series might look like. Finally, in June 2016, a meeting was set with Jordan, now owner of the Charlotte Hornets.
"He was preparing for the draft; they knew he'd be there in Charlotte," Tollin recalled. "They knew he hated meetings, so they said, 'Why don't you come and just hang out with us. There will be a break in the action between meetings, and we'll get some time with him?'"
Nothing firm. Nothing scheduled. That was about as good as it was going to get.
Tollin hopped on a red-eye from Los Angeles to Charlotte, checked into the Westin hotel around 8 a.m. and tried to catch a couple of hours of sleep before connecting with Portnoy.
"The universe has such a funny sense of humor," Tollin said. "Because when I woke up, I put on ESPN while I'm getting dressed, and there's LeBron [James] and the Cavaliers parading through the streets of Cleveland with the trophy that they'd just won."

Once again, sounds a lot like what you want it to be and what's actually far from reality. Anyone can spin anything to convince themselves it's what they believe. You can certainly convince yourself the earth is flat -- hell an NBA player did it for a while.

Nobody really supports your viewpoint though as we can see in this thread or really anywhere on RealGM for that matter -- might have something to do with the bias outlook that you have on this subject. But anyways, I think we can close the loop on this guys. No sense in beating a rock.

no I insist that you or one of your friends provide me with a specific explanation that involves this guy getting on a red eye the night LeBron won the title and this footage sitting for 18 years or 6500 days but it not having anything to do with LeBron

if its a coincidence then just say its a coincidence, if you have no idea what changed then just say you have no idea what changed

jordan was worried about lebradford smith and wanted to crush him but you are going to argue that he isn't worried about LeBron

btw jordan fans are the funniest bunch and don't want to concede anything that makes jordan look less than 100%, so what if he is worried about LeBron, just spin that into your jordan is ultra competitive thing that you have to explain away everything else