The OFFICIAL rookie impressions thread pt.III

jinishima · Post #881 » by **jinishima** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:21 am

Now if it were Lillard= :waaa:

ChrisTheFuturePaul · Post #882 » by **ChrisTheFuturePaul** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:26 am

jinishima wrote:Lol Nice! Add that to the HOF checklist. "Only player to get 20/18 on 45% shooting as a teen."

In the long run, it's probably going to be a lot better for us going forward that Davis isn't dominant from the jump. More premium picks, we just can't make Austin Rivers type mistakes anymore.

Wouldnt you say Rivers has improved, since the beginning? especially on D, whuch I think most people have overlooked. He's become darn solid on that end, and has taken small steps on offense(VERY SMALL, but progress nonetheless) I think he'll become a solid player by yr 3.

But an even more imprortant question I must ask everyone about us picking him: WHO HAS ACTUALLY PLAYED BETTER THAN HIM AFTER THE 10TH SPOT IN THE DRAFT?
Seriously. think real hard about the players taken after Rivers and think to yourself " Just how bad do I really wish we had that guy instead of Rivers?" Lamb? Jones? Harkless? Zeller? Sullinger? Perry J? Ross? Meyers Leonard?
Do you look at them and go "DAMN, we really screwed up that opportunity" or "We did the best we could" ?[/quote]

Excluding PF's (Sullinger/Henson/Nicholson(kinda)) since we woulda had a logjam there, I'd say Harkless at this stage looks better and would be the only guy I'd take over Rivers

Post #883 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 4:32 am

Rivers can get to the rim a lot better than I expected, but he's not a real PG to me, and he doesn't have a good shooting stroke or mechanics. Undersized slasher potential I guess, if his shot ever becomes what pundits think it is, he can be a lot better.

ChrisTheFuturePaul · Post #884 » by **ChrisTheFuturePaul** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:11 am

Hes got a Tony Parker type floater that is getting more consistent, his lateral quickness is great, stays infront of his man well, agree his shooting form is horrid but guys like Noah and Marion can make shots with ridiculous shooting forms so perhaps not the end of the world. He does get to the rim a lot and yea, he'd have to really up his court vision and passing to be a quality starting PG, but I'm tryna be optimistic with his ceiling.

jinishima · Post #885 » by **jinishima** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:19 am

ChrisTheFuturePaul wrote:Excluding PF's (Sullinger/Henson/Nicholson(kinda)) since we woulda had a logjam there, I'd say Harkless at this stage looks better and would be the only guy I'd take over Rivers

But again, are u kickin urself for not gettin Harkless at this point in time, like u WOULD if it were lillard?

ChrisTheFuturePaul · Post #886 » by **ChrisTheFuturePaul** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:34 am

Hindsight is 20/20 and its still early days, so can't really tell yet. Harkless is just having a better rookie year.

jinishima · Post #887 » by **jinishima** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:45 am

Considering just how awful Rivers had been for the majority of this yr. I agree 100%. But I will also say, both rooks games have made noticeable strides, which is a very important thing for em. I like em.

Chlorpromazine · Post #888 » by **Chlorpromazine** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:48 am

Would you pick Kidd-Gilchrist 2nd overall if the draft was redone? I don't think he's an elite talent, not a special player in any area.

ChrisTheFuturePaul · Post #889 » by **ChrisTheFuturePaul** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:07 am

Chlorpromazine wrote:Would you pick Kidd-Gilchrist 2nd overall if the draft was redone? I don't think he's an elite talent, not a special player in any area.

Bobcats shoulda got Beal, I think he's going to be very good, or Drummond. MKG may end up somewhere between Gerald Wallace and Shaun Marion, at a glance.

Nonstop · Post #890 » by **Nonstop** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:36 am

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Post #891 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:21 am

I would have taken Drummond then and now 2nd. I wouldn't hate the MKG pick though. He's got awesome athletic tools, he's a smart guy, and has a non stop motor. He'll be really good, even if his shot stays broken.

DusterBuster · Post #892 » by **DusterBuster** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:47 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:I would have taken Drummond then and now 2nd. I wouldn't hate the MKG pick though. He's got awesome athletic tools, he's a smart guy, and has a non stop motor. He'll be really good, even if his shot stays broken.

I don't like playing revisionists history (not trying to say you are NO-KG, but I do see it a LOT on RealGM), so this is how I saw things on draft night.....

I was a huge Drummond fan, but I never would have taken him second after how much his stock had fallen and how raw he ended up looking. I didn't necessarily think he should have fallen to #9, but he blew his chances at #2 with his poor showing in college and workouts. My DREAM draft day for Portland was for them to get both Drummond and Lillard. I was really high on both (as you could see in some of my posts prior to the draft), but I knew neither would make it to the #11 pick Portland had. I predicted that either Toronto would take Lillard at #8 or Drummond would bottom out at #9.

With MKG, I thought 2 was a bit high of a pick, but I did have him pegged as a top 5 pick. My mock drafts had it going something like this.....

Davis
TRob
Beal
MKG
Barnes

I thought MKG was a terrible pick for Charlotte. They needed star power. While I certainly like MKG and his potential, I never saw him as a star in the making. I saw him as another Gerald Wallace. I'm a big fan of the old Crash, but he's not a guy you can build around. Considering Charlotte already should have known what they were getting in MKG with how long they had Wallace, I thought he was a bad pick. TRob (who I think has gotten a raw deal in the NBA so far) would have been better choice imo. I think he really could have flourished had he been handed a starting job and a good amount of minutes from the get go. As of right now, who knows with his minutes and situations being so chaotic. As for Beal and MKG, I had them as tossups between WAS and CLE. I thought whatever of those two WAS would pick, CLE would take the other. Obviously CLE through a curveball in there with Waiters, but it seems to have worked for them.

All that said, while I do like MKG, I'm still pretty shocked at how slow of a rookie season he's had. While I thought #2 was too high and Charlotte was a bad fit, I didn't expect him to have this tough of a time adjusting to the NBA game.

orangeparka · Post #893 » by **orangeparka** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:34 am

I wasn't sold on Beal during the draft, and similarly thought CHA should pick Trob, with MKG going to CLE.

King d · Post #894 » by **King d** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:13 pm

orangeparka wrote:I wasn't sold on Beal during the draft, and similarly thought CHA should pick Trob, with MKG going to CLE.

Seems like scouting prospects isn't your strength

princeofpalace · Post #895 » by **princeofpalace** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:31 pm

I thought TRob or Beal wouldve made better picks for Charlotte. I was dead wrong about Robinson, but feel right about Beal.

So while I dont think MKG was a great pick at 2, Cho did a good job in avoiding Robinson.

Blkbrd671 · Post #896 » by **Blkbrd671** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:40 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
NO-KG-AI wrote:I would have taken Drummond then and now 2nd. I wouldn't hate the MKG pick though. He's got awesome athletic tools, he's a smart guy, and has a non stop motor. He'll be really good, even if his shot stays broken.

I don't like playing revisionists history (not trying to say you are NO-KG, but I do see it a LOT on RealGM), so this is how I saw things on draft night.....

I was a huge Drummond fan, but I never would have taken him second after how much his stock had fallen and how raw he ended up looking. I didn't necessarily think he should have fallen to #9, but he blew his chances at #2 with his poor showing in college and workouts. My DREAM draft day for Portland was for them to get both Drummond and Lillard. I was really high on both (as you could see in some of my posts prior to the draft), but I knew neither would make it to the #11 pick Portland had. I predicted that either Toronto would take Lillard at #8 or Drummond would bottom out at #9.

With MKG, I thought 2 was a bit high of a pick, but I did have him pegged as a top 5 pick. My mock drafts had it going something like this.....

Davis
TRob
Beal
MKG
Barnes

I had the same thoughts, especially when its seems that this is what was being reported in terms of BPA. i actually had Drummond second(which was also reported). You have 2 athletic centers in a deep draft, and the prior year you draft a pg that just lead his team to a national title. What char needed was a franchise center to go along with Franchise point. and/or scoring NBA ready SF in barnes. While i liked MKG, i knew he was going to be a project offensively. Which left them with Biz and MKG both still raw, and Kemba who is ready to try to lead a team now. i know Char fans wouldn't trade mkg for anyone besides davis, but it does make the mind wonder what Kemba to Drummond would look like.

i do think T Rob would have a better rookie season with Char

jinishima · Post #897 » by **jinishima** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:08 pm

Got a sneaking suspicion this thread will be rockin tonite :roll:

Roger Murdock · Post #898 » by **Roger Murdock** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 2:11 pm

I think MKG would work a lot better in an offense with more movement. I think he is a terrible fit in CHA.

I thought they should have taken T Rob. Hes not doing well but I think he would be a 12/8 type rookie with them at least. Probably better. In retrospect they should have taken Drummond.

jinishima · Post #899 » by **jinishima** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:04 pm

CHA will have the chance to draft Mclemore(who is my no.1) and that could be a talented young ATHLETIC core with Kemba, Mclemore, and MKG.Mclemore is a project, but has serious upside.(and a smooth shooting form)

jinishima · Post #900 » by **jinishima** » Sun Mar 10, 2013 11:00 pm

Of course no Eric gordon tonite. its a back to back *sigh* well at least we get to see more of our other Rookie: BRIAN ROBERTS