NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

[CobraCommander]

Sga is coming but he ain’t there…

I’m just saying who the hell got Embiid or Jokic 4th!!!!

I could see Giannis being 4th THIS year (not as a player overall considering Giannis is trying to help integrate Dame) with someone seeing SGA as 3rd but not Embiid or Jokic

I have Giannis over everyone this year. I think Giannis is clearly the best player in basketball but Embiid is MVP clearly for time being. SGA is simply not on the level of Giannis, Jokic, Embiid although hes a beast

Shai's scoring more PPG than Giannis on half the turnovers. He leads the league in steals by such a large margin that the difference between 1st and 2nd is the same as the difference between 2nd and 127th. He has more assists than Giannis or Embiid. He leads all PG in blocks. His team has played better with him on the floor than any of the other teams have played with their star. He has the best on/off of any of the MVP candidates. If you think there's anyone who's level he's "not on" this season, you haven't been paying enough attention. There's no other explanation.

Oh I don’t care about the scoring - Giannis giving up shots to Middleton and even more to Dame to integrate a true scoring threat into the team - plus a newer coach. So the scoring is off per game but dude just dropped 64!



Good post cause you know I love some defense and I hate turn overs. Especially some of the “force it Giannis TOs”. So I’ll consider what you say…



What it could do is solidify SGA in 4th over the other guys.

You and I know that this is by intelligent design from Jokic and Giannis. These guys playing for all time legacy position since they have allllll the awards available (jokic needs a DPOY)

[GeorgeSears]

Crickets in here....

Mate, this is embarrassing... Are you going to play the hall monitor role in this thread?

Just enjoy it. Your guy is dominating.

[M2J]

It was a soft schedule, but if Joel really wanted to he could've averaged 50 during that stretch of games, even with the Bulls game where he pulled off 40+ and 10+.

He's on a streak right now that was last done by Kareem with a Bucks uniform.

That’s the thing. Those saying his stats are artificially high because he played bad teams are conveniently ignoring the fact that was playing 30 minutes a game during that stretch. It equals itself out in the end.

Embiid is also intelligent. Check out how many shots he puts up in the 3rd quarter when he knows he won't play the 4th. He ups his FGA attempts compared to games that are closer. He's gonna get his because he knows he'll sit the 4th quarter. Very intelligent player Goes back a couple seasons IIRC...

It could be coincidence though!

It's not artificial, it's by design. Joel is A top scorer in the league in quarters 1 and 3, and Maxey is A top scorer in the league in quarters 2 and 4.

That design has led to several games of Joel blowing teams out by 3rd quarter.

[Special_Puppy]

When was the last time 2 people battled for MVP this many times in a row?

[TinmanZBoy]

at least it is a lot more fun to see two big dudes competing for the award than a bunch of guards

[GSWFan1994]

When was the last time 2 people battled for MVP this many times in a row?

You mean... 3 people?

2018/2019 - Giannis 1st, Jokic 4th, Embiid 7th
2019/2020 - Giannis 1st, Jokic 9th, Embiid n/a
2020/2021 - Jokic 1st, Embiid 2nd, Giannis 4th
2021/2022 - Jokic 1st, Embiid 2nd, Giannis 3rd
2022/2023 - Embiid 1st, Jokic 2nd, Giannis 3rd

[Kurtz]

When was the last time 2 people battled for MVP this many times in a row?

I wish NBA was a little smarter with their scheduling and gave us Denver vs Philly for Xmas (in Philly, to ensure that Embiid would play).

Right now the only compelling Xmas matchup imo is Philly vs Miami, and it's an 8 o'clock start going up against NFL Ravens vs 49ers, so no one will watch.

[Special_Puppy]

When was the last time 2 people battled for MVP this many times in a row?

I wish NBA was a little smarter with their scheduling and gave us Denver vs Philly for Xmas (in Philly, to ensure that Embiid would play).

Right now the only compelling Xmas matchup imo is Philly vs Miami, and it's an 8 o'clock start going up against NFL Ravens vs 49ers, so no one will watch.

I think all the matchups are pretty great (except Celtics vs Lakers because its going to be super one-sided most likely)

[Mavrelous]

Kawhi Leonard is joining the ranks

[eyeatoma]

Embiid dominates the 1st MVP ESPN strawpoll by Tim Bontemps...

Read on Twitter

?t=Z4UDAl_LAcDrWI9vlaCnLA&s=19

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39154933/nba-mvp-straw-poll-100-league-insiders-where-embiid-giannis-jokic-lebron-race

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Look we all objectively see the top 3 guys as Embiid Giannis and Jokic-

But I need to see the names of the guys that voted either Embiid or Jokic 4th…. At worse Embiid and jokic are in 3rd… at WORSE- this is crazy

Agreed

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[Kurtz]

When was the last time 2 people battled for MVP this many times in a row?

I wish NBA was a little smarter with their scheduling and gave us Denver vs Philly for Xmas (in Philly, to ensure that Embiid would play).

Right now the only compelling Xmas matchup imo is Philly vs Miami, and it's an 8 o'clock start going up against NFL Ravens vs 49ers, so no one will watch.

I think all the matchups are pretty great (except Celtics vs Lakers because its going to be super one-sided most likely)

Warriors in Denver will be pretty one sided too. Bucks vs NYK down a couple of centres could also be a blowout although Dame vs Brunson might turn out to be fun. Mavs and Phoenix are both playing like **** right now as well, although we do get some star power to end the night.

[eyeatoma]

Crickets in here....

Mate, this is embarrassing... Are you going to play the hall monitor role in this thread?

Just enjoy it. Your guy is dominating.

Bro I'm just calling it like it is. I want consistency. People were on Embiid's case all year about stat padding on bad teams. He destroys the best defense of the league and there wasn't a peep. You can bet your life savings there would have been if they lost or he did poorly.

More often than not the majority like to use excuses for certain candidates but with Embiid it's conspiracy theories, too many free throws, not enough po success, wanting the MVP too much, throwing team mates under the bus.

I've never seen one player get that many criticisms while the other seems to be able to part the red seas and make water of whine simultaneously.

Sure it's cringe and it's petty but I feel like the ones who have been calling this out all season long deserve it.

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[eyeatoma]

When was the last time 2 people battled for MVP this many times in a row?

MJ and Bird? Or Magic?

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[AleksandarN]

https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

Embiid absolutely blowing the field out with EPM.

.8 above SGA, and 3 over Jokic and the competitors.

As others have said, he's the MVP right now. He doesn't need to produce 35 ppg to win. If he goes at 32-33 for the rest of the season with 62-65 TS and the Sixers win 80 percent of their games, this is his to lose.

Oh advance stats matter now lol.

[AleksandarN]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39154933/nba-mvp-straw-poll-100-league-insiders-where-embiid-giannis-jokic-lebron-race

Read on Twitter

?t=ywkrvn4CNcqcggqt6xh9lg&s=19

Pretty decisive at this juncture. Still 3/4s of a season left.

Guess Perkins has been hard at work with the Embiid narrative eh...

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Less decisive than I thought it would be, expected 80+ 1st place votes, I'd also rate Giannis higher than Jokic.

Having Dame is hurting Giannis’ chances unfortunately.

[AleksandarN]

Has Jokic ever led the first straw poll? I don’t recall he has. Nothing new here let’s see how the rest of the season plays out. I know I just want the one seed out west.

[eyeatoma]

https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

Embiid absolutely blowing the field out with EPM.

.8 above SGA, and 3 over Jokic and the competitors.

As others have said, he's the MVP right now. He doesn't need to produce 35 ppg to win. If he goes at 32-33 for the rest of the season with 62-65 TS and the Sixers win 80 percent of their games, this is his to lose.

Oh advance stats matter now lol.

Lol so only matters if you use it right?

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[CD_41]

Even tough the narrative is not in his favour ("Jokic should´ve won last year" etc.) his playing level and overall team record puts Embiid comfortably at No. 1. The season still has a long way to go, but for now he is the MVP.

What does team record have to do with it? Philly is a 3 seed in the East while having the easiest schedule.

Coming from the Russel Westbrook MVP a lot of people realized that there is a treshhold for winning games.
So Philly clearly has the right amount of winning games.

Was not meant as a "they got the most wins" which they obviously don't have.
They have enough wins is what I meant.

[eyeatoma]

Has Jokic ever led the first straw poll? I don’t recall he has. Nothing new hear let’s see how the rest of the season plays out. I know I just want the one seed out west.

He has led numerous times.

Led at all star break last season.

Previous to that led for the last straw poll two seasons in a row.

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[AleksandarN]

https://dunksandthrees.com/epm

Embiid absolutely blowing the field out with EPM.

.8 above SGA, and 3 over Jokic and the competitors.

As others have said, he's the MVP right now. He doesn't need to produce 35 ppg to win. If he goes at 32-33 for the rest of the season with 62-65 TS and the Sixers win 80 percent of their games, this is his to lose.

Oh advance stats matter now lol.

Lol so only matters if you use it right?

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When have I? All I heard from you the last three years is posting tweets and meme making fun of advanced stats. Now you change your tune. I find it hilarious