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Post#901 » by Richfield » Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:15 pm

Chaos, inconsistency mark launch of drive-thru virus testing

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PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — Drive-thru sites have been opening around the United States to make it quicker and safer to test people for the new coronavirus. But much like the rest of the U.S. response to the pandemic, the system has been marked by inconsistencies, delays, and shortages. Many people who have symptoms and a doctor’s order have waited hours or days for a test.

More than a week after President Donald Trump promised that states and retail stores such as Walmart and CVS would open drive-thru test centers, few sites are up and running, and they're not yet open to the general public. Some states are leaving it to the private sector to open test locations; others are coordinating the effort through state health departments.

Patients have complained that they had to jump through cumbersome bureaucratic hoops and wait days to get tested, then wait even longer for a result. Testing centers opened in some places only to be shut down shortly afterward because of shortages of supplies and staff. And while the drive-thru test centers that have opened are generally orderly, there have been long lines at some.

The slow ramp-up of the COVID-19 testing and the spotty nature now of the system makes it hard for public health officials to track the spread of the disease and bring it under control.

"We need to be testing more broadly to fully understand the scope of the public health situation we are facing," said Joseph Wendelken, a spokesman for the Rhode Island Department of Health.

Dr. Brett Giroir, the federal health official tasked with overseeing testing, said at a White House briefing Saturday that so far about 195,000 people have been tested in the U.S. That figure does not include some people who have been tested in private labs.

For most people, the new coronavirus causes only mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia. The vast majority of people recover from the new virus. According to the World Health Organization, people with mild illness recover in about two weeks, while those with more severe illness may take three weeks to six weeks to recover.

Drive-thru test sites have popped up in locations in more than 30 states — in state parks and parking lots, next to medical centers and universities, at the Mississippi state fairgrounds and near where the Jacksonville Jaguars play. The governor of Maryland this past week ordered vehicle emission inspection programs across the state to stop so that the locations can be used as drive-thru centers to test for the virus.

But as of Friday there were no open drive-thru tests available in Maryland's inspection centers.

The Utah health department said it isn't in charge of the sites and isn't tracking them. North Carolina's health director said the state is leaving testing to the private sector and declined to say how many sites there are. By contrast, in Rhode Island, health care organizations are running the sites in partnership with the state health department.

In Houston on Thursday, cars lined up for more than a mile outside a hospital when the city’s first drive-thru testing site opened. U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee said they administered fewer than 200 tests in the first six hours.

Elsewhere, at several sites visited by Associated Press journalists, the scenes were well-controlled and sometimes downright quiet.

Dozens of people waiting in cars at a center in Homestead, Florida, on Wednesday, waited their turn to speak with a screener wearing a gown and mask and carrying a clipboard. Some were apparently turned away. Others were waved through, had their temperatures checked and were swabbed for samples.

But supply shortages have shut down drive-thrus in several states, including Colorado, New Mexico, Virginia, Florida, Louisiana, Alabama, North Carolina, and Utah. One Las Vegas site was closed because it didn't have enough workers.

New York state opened several centers to great fanfare on Tuesday. By Friday, however, New York City's health department issued an alert saying only people who require hospitalization should be tested, due to shortages of protective equipment such as face masks.

Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak said he has begged the federal government for additional test kits and supplies, but the state received a notice Thursday that all of its requests for drive-thru testing pods and testing kits “are on an indefinite backlog, without any estimate of a timeline for delivery.”

“This is our unfortunate reality Nevada. It’s up to us,” he said.

The sites themselves are dotted with tents and traffic cones. The most notable features are medical personnel wearing masks, gloves and protective smocks or other clothing. They take nose and throat swabs from people sitting in their cars or help people go inside for the test.

Some states have as few as one drive-thru site. Montana’s sole site is in Billings, the state’s largest city. Others have a few dozen.

Security guards were reported at many sites, but a survey of states by the AP did not uncover any security problems. In Rhode Island, the National Guard have been on hand to set up the state’s three drive-thru sites and even to swab patients.

The vast network of drive-thru sites at retail chains that Trump said more than a week ago was coming has so far failed to materialize. CVS has opened one site in Massachusetts, which it calls a “model for testing.” Walmart said its launching two sites and Walgreens said it's launching one, all three around Chicago. Only health care workers and first responders are allowed.

The patchwork of approaches has caused confusion for patients. Caroline Mauldin was ordered to get a test by her doctor in Charleston, South Carolina, on Tuesday, after experiencing aches and chills for several days.

To get an appointment at a drive-thru site at a medical center, she had to fill out a lengthy online questionnaire and she spent two days calling a number that rolled to voicemail and wouldn't take messages. She resorted to tweeting at the hospital several times just to move things forward.

Finally, on Thursday, she got an appointment for Monday. And she was told the results would not come back until four to five days after that. The visit will cost her $25, she said. Complicating matters, she doesn’t have a car and has to borrow one from a friend.

“We have a lot of elderly, low-income people here who don't have access to the internet and who don't have access to transportation. And given that they're the highest risk population, how are we getting tests to them?” she asked.

In urban area such as New York and Philadelphia, some sites are providing "walk-up" appointments for people with no cars.

At the Penn Medicine testing site in West Philadelphia, two security officers late Thursday stood outside to make sure people who arrived by car or foot had an appointment. For about 40 minutes that evening, the line of cars never grew to more than six or seven. But Patricia Sullivan, chief quality officer of Penn Medicine, said every morning this past week, 25 to 35 cars have been lined up and six or seven walk-up patients have stood 6 feet apart under a portico waiting to be seen.

The 20 sites in greater Philadelphia are testing about 1,000 people a day, but that hasn't cleared the pent-up demand.

Rosanne Tanner’s 79-year-old mother has been sick with a fever and chest pain since returning from visiting Tanner’s brother and his wife, who had recently been on a cruise ship.

Her doctor ordered a test on Tuesday, but when she tried to get an appointment at a drive-thru site at a hospital outside Philadelphia, they were told “they are overloaded, they’re bogged down,” Tanner said.

Medical staff told her they're scheduling 15 minutes apart so there aren’t bottlenecks at the test site.

Finally on Thursday her mother secured an appointment for the following Tuesday. Then, she will have to wait five more days for a result.

“The lag time on these tests, it’s putting people at risk,” Tanner said.

In Rhode Island, state officials said they are testing around 100 to 200 people a day at all testing sites, including three drive-thrus.

Gov. Gina Raimondo said they want to perform 500 to 600 per day, but they don’t have the supplies they need.

“It is our absolute top priority to get to a place where everyone who needs it can be tested and you’ll get the results very quickly," Raimondo said at a news conference held via Facebook Live on Friday. "Then if you’re positive, we can get you quarantined.”


https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/ap-top-news/2020/03/22/chaos-inconsistency-mark-launch-of-drive-thru-virus-testing
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Post#902 » by Mind_Odyssey » Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:21 pm

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Post#903 » by LKN » Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:46 pm

Clippers2020 wrote:First reported COVID-19 case in the United Kingdom: ± February 29, 2020
First reported COVID-19 case in the United States: ± Jan. 19, 2020
U.K. COVID-19 mortality rate: 4.6%
U.S. COVID-19 mortality rate: 1.2%
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Unfortunately those numbers are fairly meaningless right now due to the terrible lack of testing.

Just watch how NY goes. They are actually doing heavy testing and should give us some kind of barometer.
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Post#905 » by LKN » Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:52 pm

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Post#907 » by Bandit King » Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:55 pm

People are still going to hoard TP and sell on craigslist or offerup.
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Post#908 » by Clippers2020 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:59 pm

LKN wrote:
Clippers2020 wrote:First reported COVID-19 case in the United Kingdom: ± February 29, 2020
First reported COVID-19 case in the United States: ± Jan. 19, 2020
U.K. COVID-19 mortality rate: 4.6%
U.S. COVID-19 mortality rate: 1.2%
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Unfortunately those numbers are fairly meaningless right now due to the terrible lack of testing.

Just watch how NY goes. They are actually doing heavy testing and should give us some kind of barometer.

US mortality rate will be even lower when more testing is done.
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Post#909 » by KrazyP » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:02 pm

According to the CDC,

In 2017-2018, there were an estimated 44,802,629 cases of the flu in the US with 61099 deaths. This equates to a 0.13% fatality rate.

In 2018-2019 there were an estimated 35,520,883 cases of the flu in the US with 34157 deaths. This equates to a 0.09% fatality rate.

The estimates above are based on extrapolation and not just counting the number of confirmed cases. These estimates are done after the flu season is over. Any estimate done during the season is open to wild variance/errors.

For the corona virus, there have been 26,747 confirmed cases so far with 340 deaths. This puts the fatality rate of confirmed cases at 1.2%. The problem is, theres likely a tonne of unconfirmed cases rolling around. People with minor symptoms probably arent getting tested. There could easily be as many as 5-10x as many overall cases vs those actually reported/confirmed. 'This would put the fatality rate somewhere in the same range as the seasonal flu.

So why is there mass panic? Its not virus itself. Is the fact that the most health care systems aren't built to handle anything new. This is result of a global capitalistic system running wild that is built to serve the 1%.

The pandemic is the health care system not the virus itself.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm
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Post#910 » by MotownMadness » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:05 pm

All you really can do is go into lockdown until it slows down and we get a vaccine going. San Francisco was one of our only major cities to not get ate up with Spanish Flu back in the day cause the Gov locked down the city before he had a single case.
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Post#911 » by Clippers2020 » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:07 pm

KrazyP wrote:According to the CDC,

In 2017-2018, there were an estimated 44,802,629 cases of the flu in the US with 61099 deaths. This equates to a 0.13% fatality rate.

In 2018-2019 there were an estimated 35,520,883 cases of the flu in the US with 34157 deaths. This equates to a 0.09% fatality rate.

The estimates above are based on extrapolation and not just counting the number of confirmed cases. These estimates are done after the flu season is over. Any estimate done during the season is open to wild variance/errors.

For the corona virus, there have been 26,747 confirmed cases so far with 340 deaths. This puts the fatality rate of confirmed cases at 1.2%. The problem is, theres likely a tonne of unconfirmed cases rolling around. People with minor symptoms probably arent getting tested. There could easily be as many as 5-10x as many overall cases vs those reported. 'This would put the fatality rate somewhere in the same range as the seasonal flu.

So why is there mass panic? Its not virus itself. Is the fact that the most health care systems aren't built to handle anything new. This is result of a global capitalistic system running wild that is built to serve the 1%.

The pandemic is the health care system not the virus itself.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

My thoughts exactly :nod:
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Post#912 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:08 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Getting a little more optimistic about my area, I have no idea just how many tests they have done in my county but currently we have 1,387 positives (980,000 people) so it must be over 4000 tests. I don't know how but CFR is 0 right now so all of the testing done in the last 2 weeks may have actually saved lives here. The first case was March 1st, he's still in the hospital but now out of his coma. The testing site is starting to accept drive ups too, no longer need to make an appointment for some. So, keep testing, don't stop till we run out of tests.

Also, the containment zone going up in New Rochelle made people extra paranoid.


10,000 tests for my county of 980k, we're only a few thousand tests behind California.

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Post#913 » by LKN » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:13 pm

Bandit King wrote:People are still going to hoard TP and sell on craigslist or offerup.


The thing is.... you only need so much TP. In a couple of weeks every store will be full of it lol
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Post#914 » by Pointgod » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:15 pm

CaptainFanchini wrote:Hi guys

Greets again from northern Italy.

The situation is really sad especially in Lombardy and especially in the area between Bergamo and Brescia.

Here where a live, a valley/basin on the northern top of lake Garda, we have about 300 officially infected and about 10 deaths.

The majority of those infected and deaths are elderly people in 2 clinics (private/public ventures) and a retirement home; the main problem of these 3 places is that not a few of their patients are from neighboring Lombardy and Veneto regions, so the infection was probably "imported" by the relatives visiting them back in february, before the lockdown.

We are all at home, with only the opportunity to go to the market, just one person per family and, of course, less times as possible, and sometimes to do a small walk stricly around home.
From yesterday all but the basic companies are closed; from 10 days many are working remotely from home (in example my niece and his husband, both architects, realized a true studio in their living room).

There are some idiots, but the wast majority of the people understands the situation and is behaving very responsibly with great civic sense, as usual for the area where I live; yesterday I went to the market, and the town looks almost a ghost town ... I crossed just 2 cars in half a mile, and just 1 person on a sidewalk.
In the market there were about 20 people, about 15 o 16 with mask, all very quiet and with the right distance.


We can only hope to have reached the peak, and that in the next days the numbers will start to drop.


Stay safe brother. Is there advice you can give people in other countries dealing with the corona virus?
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Post#916 » by LKN » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:16 pm

Clippers2020 wrote:
LKN wrote:
Clippers2020 wrote:First reported COVID-19 case in the United Kingdom: ± February 29, 2020
First reported COVID-19 case in the United States: ± Jan. 19, 2020
U.K. COVID-19 mortality rate: 4.6%
U.S. COVID-19 mortality rate: 1.2%
https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Unfortunately those numbers are fairly meaningless right now due to the terrible lack of testing.

Just watch how NY goes. They are actually doing heavy testing and should give us some kind of barometer.

US mortality rate will be even lower when more testing is done.


Not if hospital capacity gets overrun. Also, I'm going to repeat this again - deaths (before hospital capacity is overrun) lag infections by something like 25 days on average.

I'm not trying to spread doom and gloom... but I am trying to make clear that no one should have a false sense of security due to the current numbers (which outside of NY are just mostly not helpful). If we act like things are really bad we have a better chance of having them not get worse.
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Post#917 » by LKN » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:19 pm

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Post#918 » by NirvanaFC » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:20 pm

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/business/masks-china-coronavirus.html

New York Times called China keeping the masks they produced for their citizens "hoarding".

Since then, China has undertaken a mobilization of wartime proportions to expand its output of disposable surgical masks. Daily production soared from about 10 million at the start of February to 115 million at the end of the month.
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Post#919 » by MotownMadness » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:22 pm

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Post#920 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:29 pm

NirvanaFC wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/13/business/masks-china-coronavirus.html

New York Times called China keeping the masks they produced for their citizens "hoarding".

Since then, China has undertaken a mobilization of wartime proportions to expand its output of disposable surgical masks. Daily production soared from about 10 million at the start of February to 115 million at the end of the month.

Hopefully there's more emphasis to bring back manufacturing jobs after this so we don't have to guilt sovereign nations into helping.

If the masks were produced here we'd be way ahead right now.

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