Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected

[Hsker4Life]

I feel like if it was just about anyone else, people would be calling it a total cheap shot and dirty play.

But you guys are mostly giving Jokic a pass.

I'm not a fan of shouldering someone from behind like that. It was a moment of weakness for Jokic.

Morris sort of bodied him, but it wasn't to his back and it didn't look that bad.

People are giving Jokic a pass because as basketball fans most of us are well aware of the bull the Morris twins are known to do from time to time. Dude had what was coming to him. If you can't stand the heat GTFO the kitchen.

Then Jokic needs to stay out of the kitchen.

[Pachinko_]

Markieff deserved every bit of that. What a little bitch.

Actually the “b****” move is to attack someone whose not even looking at you. Real men don’t do that

True... I guess, the other "real-man" option would be to tap him on the shoulder and when he turns punch his nose in.
But NBA wouldn't look very kindly on that because it looks too calculated and not so heat-of-the-moment reaction.

[G R E Y]

Bill Lambeer was out there knowingly trying to hurt players, usually taking risks on the long term careers of players. He was really trying to hurt guys. Thats literally what the Jordan rules were.

You may not be comparing them, but a lot of posters would and they're VERY different imo. Markieff is trying to get under peoples skins & play the system/refs, not hurt them long term (at least thats what I've seen). Theres dirty/unsportsmanlike... but i think there are levels to it. Its a range/spectrum.

I dont think Markieff reaches "this guy deserves to get injured" on that "dirty player spectrum". Then again, I also don't think there are many who really do fit that description... why would I knowingly and actively carry that type of animosity for someone?

Two wrongs dont make a right, etc etc. But Markieff himself throughout his career hasn't actually done as much as you'd think compared to the amount of hate he's getting (compared to say... Coach Bill Lambeer!).

Maybe. And I do agree that Laimbeer was in his own tier. Bird in the clip above attests to the fact that Laimbeer would try to injury players, and there's a longer video from a Pistons player who was traded and then admitted that pre-game Laimbeer said in the locker room he wanted to injure guys during the I believe Celtics-Pistons series (the one where he clobbered Bird and they both got ejected).

I we also have to be careful about not conflating 'didn't get injured' with 'not intending to injure'. Morris hits Jokic's ribs below the arm and nee from the side - his leg was up into it. If this isn't intending to injure, then the best thing you can say about it is he doesn't care if Jokic is injured and that's a slither of a distinction. If Jokic weren't 7' and 280lbs perhaps the outcome would have been different. Yet even at that size he went flying back from the momentum of the impact.

His idiot twin targeted Luka curling from behind and stepping on the back of Doncic's heel. Again, not a basketball play, intentional to stop a player in a physical non-basketball way and if the player gets hurt, oh well...

In both instances they targeted the best player on the opposing team. That there's no play on the ball but a full play on the body shows at the very least a blatant disregard for the consequences of the action. And frankly if the player is injured and a Morris gets suspended, then a Morris team has an advantage. They know it. So ok, not Laimbeer tier, but closer to him than the other end of the spectrum.

Do you have a sibling? Parent? Friend? Loved one?

Hes not responsible for the actions of his brother.

As for the play itself: you're not wrong. It wasn't clean. It was more dirty than not. He was frustrated. Doesnt look like he's trying to injure him at all. But was it worthy of 45 pages of "good, he deserves an injury and more, etc"?

Of course. I'm not sure why you got that out of the two examples. They were intended to show that 'no injury' does not necessarily mean 'didn't intend to injure' and they have a history of it so they get less benefit of the doubt.

I don't think it's 45 pages of people saying Morris is deserving an injury rather of a large shared sentiment of a dirty player getting bested by his own tactics, even if it's understood that they should be punished.

Those calling for actual Morris injury are definitely in the small minority here, so taking a minor position and putting disproportionate focus on it skews the prevailing sentiment of the thread.

[510TWSS]

joker effectively punched the bully in the mouth and we all found out he was made of glass

[G R E Y]

Wouldn't it be awkward if a Morris did it to the best player on another Morris team? Has that happened before? Who would/did a Morris defend or hold back?

[djsunyc]

I guess I'm going against the grain, but Jokic is an idiot here. He'll get suspended and what did he gain? Stupid macho **** when no one looks tough here, way to push someone in the back, and Morris overplayed it like a clown to get him in trouble, I don't care if he got a little bit of an elbow.

you're playing a sport where it's one side vs. another.
its a physical game where there's alot of body contact throughout.
if you feel someone intentionally committed an excessive foul with intention to cause you harm, then adrenaline kicks in and you react.

some people go into a state of shock and surprise and just stand still.
some people go on the attack to retaliate.

this wasn't some measure counter by jokic - he got hit hard and he reacted.

idiot or not, if you feel someone is trying to injure you, you react. his reaction was physical.

[Sedale Threatt]

lol, both Shaq and Chuck going in on Morris.

[Hoop Heavy]

Big Lesson here!

If you are going to take a running elbow to the ribs of a very big usually very calm guy ... don't turn your back like you know he's a pusshy. You might get whiplash doing that.

Sure it was a bad move by Jokic ... so he apologized like the class act he is.

[Wolfgang630]

lol, both Shaq and Chuck going in on Morris.

I’ve been waiting for hear from them two lol

[jc23]

lol, both Shaq and Chuck going in on Morris.

I’ve been waiting for hear from them two lol

me 3!

[sip]

Funny Morris would be called a thug if he did this to Jokic

They don't want to acknowledge the double standard because then you have to ask why it's a double standard. And most don't want to answer that honestly.

Gotta love the race baiters that always come out. Get a life buddy and stop being racist.

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[sip]

you guys can argue all you want but facts are that Jokic's play was a NON basektball play. foul was called and you went after a player that had his back turned and could have caused injury.

now morris's foul was IN GAME. yes it was a hard foul. let the refs decide how severe it is.

no matter what, Morris wasn't in the wrong here. hard fouls happen all the time, its a part of the game. but what Jokic did was AFTER the whistle.

Worst take in the history of this board. Time for timeout buddy.

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[bbalnation]

Maybe. And I do agree that Laimbeer was in his own tier. Bird in the clip above attests to the fact that Laimbeer would try to injury players, and there's a longer video from a Pistons player who was traded and then admitted that pre-game Laimbeer said in the locker room he wanted to injure guys during the I believe Celtics-Pistons series (the one where he clobbered Bird and they both got ejected).

I we also have to be careful about not conflating 'didn't get injured' with 'not intending to injure'. Morris hits Jokic's ribs below the arm and nee from the side - his leg was up into it. If this isn't intending to injure, then the best thing you can say about it is he doesn't care if Jokic is injured and that's a slither of a distinction. If Jokic weren't 7' and 280lbs perhaps the outcome would have been different. Yet even at that size he went flying back from the momentum of the impact.

His idiot twin targeted Luka curling from behind and stepping on the back of Doncic's heel. Again, not a basketball play, intentional to stop a player in a physical non-basketball way and if the player gets hurt, oh well...

In both instances they targeted the best player on the opposing team. That there's no play on the ball but a full play on the body shows at the very least a blatant disregard for the consequences of the action. And frankly if the player is injured and a Morris gets suspended, then a Morris team has an advantage. They know it. So ok, not Laimbeer tier, but closer to him than the other end of the spectrum.

Do you have a sibling? Parent? Friend? Loved one?

Hes not responsible for the actions of his brother.

As for the play itself: you're not wrong. It wasn't clean. It was more dirty than not. He was frustrated. Doesnt look like he's trying to injure him at all. But was it worthy of 45 pages of "good, he deserves an injury and more, etc"?

Of course. I'm not sure why you got that out of the two examples. They were intended to show that 'no injury' does not necessarily mean 'didn't intend to injure' and they have a history of it so they get less benefit of the doubt.

I don't think it's 45 pages of people saying Morris is deserving an injury rather of a large shared sentiment of a dirty player getting bested by his own tactics, even if it's understood that they should be punished.

Those calling for actual Morris injury are definitely in the small minority here, so taking a minor position and putting disproportionate focus on it skews the prevailing sentiment of the thread.

I got that out of the two examples because you once again, brought up Markieffs brother. In the post, right before, you said: "People dislike Morris M&M because of their long and continuing history of dirty non-basketball aggressiveness".

It was me trying to say: hey, imagine having to be publically responsible for the mistakes of your loved one. That doesn't make much sense, does it?

As for what the 45 pages are about, this notion that "its a dirty player getting bested by his tactics" would be appropriate if we knew how long he's out for. You should reread the posts, with that in mind. Its obvious right away that we don't know how long he'll be out (or if he'll out)- thats the thing with the neck : it **** dangerous.

But hey, keep defending and justifying the misdirected anger, and then saying you're not justifying it.

[AussieCeltic]

Wouldn't it be awkward if a Morris did it to the best player on another Morris team? Has that happened before? Who would/did a Morris defend or hold back?

They would defend each other. They have a weird twin thing going on. Same tattoos, shared bank accounts.. it’s really strange.

My wife is a twin and doesn’t do any of that stuff.

[harlem_ball]

posting for historical accuracy

[Wolfgang630]

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[Sedale Threatt]

People wanted to see the likes of Bill Laimbeer get put in check. Why? Because he was kind of the face of the Bad Boy Pistons, he was doing dirty crap all the time.

If I could murder one person and get away with it, Bill Laimbeer would get strong, strong consideration. I'm not even sure Robert Parish got suspended for beating his ass.

No foul called, no tech, no ejection! Even the refs were like, Finally somebody laid his ass out!

Parish did get suspended one game, fined $7500. Bird: "For doing that good deed?"

...

Laimbeer: "I don't fight. I agitate then walk away." Tells you all you need to know about him in one **** sentence. **** gutless arrogant ahole.

This is also the Morris sneaky cheapshot who? what, me?! blueprint.

Laimbeer to me has top-three, likely top, most punchable face spot of all time. Morrises are making their way up the list.

It's hard to describe just how much I hated, and probably still do to a large degree, Bill Laimbeer. He was an excellent player, no question. The Pistons couldn't have won championships without him. But that whole style of play of agitating to provoke a response and delivering cheap shots and flopping is just so unbelievably chickensht to me. But I guess sports is all about identifying inefficiencies and exploiting them, and figuring out you could do that with minimal repercussions was part of it. Hence the flagrant foul. The fact they lost a ring to a phantom foul on Laimbeer is the definition of cosmic justice.

[Mickey8]

An old timers are all on the Jokic's side

[sjballer03]

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People really need to watch this angle to see how dirty Morris' foul was in game speed. They ALSO need to see how quickly Jokic reacted. He didnt "wait" for Morris to turn around before checking him. Morris had already turned around with the quickness.

[Jazz9]

Nothing like complaining about being hit from behind after you cheap shot somebody then walk away...