[HAYNES] Nets and Lakers actively talking Russ/Kyrie trade…

[Kurtz]

Westbrook's awfulness has really been overstated on this board, imo. Not too long ago he was winning MVP while carrying his team to a much better record than expected. Not long after that he brought back Paul and two first rounders in trade. More recently we heard that Jordan was offering Hayward+Rozier for him - two players who while overpaid, can still very much help a contender.

He just needs a proper fit. Surround him with shooters and he's an asset. Last year's Lakers team was just an awful fit for him with their complete lack of shooters - this was evident from day 1.

Sorry but I just cannot ever see Russ being called an asset as long as he;'s making $47M. That's silly. Curry, LeBron, Giannis, Luka, Jokic... those guys (and others) are assets at that price point. And if you think last years roster didn't fit around Russ, wait til you see how bad Lakers current roster is shooting (and defense) wise. Rob really outdid himself here. He painted his masterpiece of ****. But hey, they're younger.

If Jordan offered Hayward + Rozier, IMO the deal would be done and Kyrie would be in Lam Russ, in Char, and those 2 picks a 1st or 2 in BK.

I'm strictly talking about him being a positive asset on the floor in the right environment. Off course he's not actually worth anywhere near 47 mil.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/russell-westbrook-trade-rumors-hornets-have-legitimate-interest-in-lakers-guard-and-former-mvp-per-report/

[sonic the laker]

I don't care.

I don't want Westbrook on the team. He is horrendous. And I don't want to give up Joe Harris. So youre not getting Kyrie.

I have no problem telling Kyrie to go home and shut up.

You guys can offer him 100 million next year. He chose to opt into this contract. Its his fault.

lol Then, I guess we can agree that we both have no issue, if there's no trade agreement between our respective teams. Great!

If KD was open to playing with Westbrook, I honestly think they'd work well together (i.e. they're OKC years). Not sure about Ben Simmons, though. And, funny enough, from reports, the sticking point was that the Lakers wanted Seth Curry, with Kyrie. The Nets wanted Joe Harris, with Kyrie, to offload Joe's heftier contract. Reported, of course.

Kyrie can indeed "go home and shut up". And, if the Nets are willing to play hardball, while potentially getting nothing in return for Kyrie, then that's cool. Just as long as they understand that, the longer this drags out, the less value Kyrie has in potential trades. The only way Kyrie's value increases, is if he opens up his availability to other teams, and promises to re-sign, next year. For the Nets, an "at home" Kyrie is only valuable as an expiring contract, for them. Just facts.

Kyrie did indeed opt into his contract...which was always the most likely scenario. And, I agree. This whole scenario is of Kyrie's, and KD's, making.

I don't want a trade with the Lakers unless they reroute Westbrook.

Westbrook-Simmons is a disaster waiting to happen. And Westbrook were beyond awful last year anyway.

Don't want him near the Nets.

I don't believe any of those reports which were contradicted by the NY Post.

I don't view taking on Westbrook as value. Its negative value. Kyrie has destroyed his own value already. So I'm ok with getting nothing for him.

Still a small chance Dallas or some other team swoops in an offers some contracts for Kyrie at the deadline.

Personally, I always take reports about rumors with a grain of salt. Rumors reported on, are the way teams attempt to gain leverage in potential trade negotiations. I've heard the rumors that the Mavs may be interested. But, reports from those connected to the Mavs, have refuted those rumors. Meaning, that that rumor was most likely coming from the Nets, to increase interest/offers, for Kyrie. Because, unless Kyrie promises to re-up with the receiving team, it doesn't make any sense to trade for him.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing KD/Kyrie run it back one more year, in Brooklyn. They have Simmons/Harris/Curry, and just got TJ Warren. The team is still legit, frfr. But, whatever was going on behind closed doors, this is the result. Unless the FO somehow changes KD/Kyries minds between now, and the start of the season.

[Ruma85]

I don't care.

I don't want Westbrook on the team. He is horrendous. And I don't want to give up Joe Harris. So youre not getting Kyrie.

I have no problem telling Kyrie to go home and shut up.

You guys can offer him 100 million next year. He chose to opt into this contract. Its his fault.

lol Then, I guess we can agree that we both have no issue, if there's no trade agreement between our respective teams. Great!

If KD was open to playing with Westbrook, I honestly think they'd work well together (i.e. they're OKC years). Not sure about Ben Simmons, though. And, funny enough, from reports, the sticking point was that the Lakers wanted Seth Curry, with Kyrie. The Nets wanted Joe Harris, with Kyrie, to offload Joe's heftier contract. Reported, of course.

Kyrie can indeed "go home and shut up". And, if the Nets are willing to play hardball, while potentially getting nothing in return for Kyrie, then that's cool. Just as long as they understand that, the longer this drags out, the less value Kyrie has in potential trades. The only way Kyrie's value increases, is if he opens up his availability to other teams, and promises to re-sign, next year. For the Nets, an "at home" Kyrie is only valuable as an expiring contract, for them. Just facts.

Kyrie did indeed opt into his contract...which was always the most likely scenario. And, I agree. This whole scenario is of Kyrie's, and KD's, making.

I don't want a trade with the Lakers unless they reroute Westbrook.

Westbrook-Simmons is a disaster waiting to happen. And Westbrook were beyond awful last year anyway.

Don't want him near the Nets.

I don't believe any of those reports which were contradicted by the NY Post.

I don't view taking on Westbrook as value. Its negative value. Kyrie has destroyed his own value already. So I'm ok with getting nothing for him.

Still a small chance Dallas or some other team swoops in an offers some contracts for Kyrie at the deadline.

You think Westbrook is a negative asset, if Ben is still on your roster when the season begins and plays like the last time we saw him you will love him.

[hoosierdaddy34]

Says who?

The Nets can easily go into the season with Kyrie. Whats the downside?

If he wants to sit at home he can. Hes used to it anyway.

The Lakers are far more desperate to offload Westbrick.

Nets don’t have the stomach for this. You saw Tsai is letting it be known to everyone how hard the last year was and no one in the organization was in a good place. Tsai just wants to move on. He wants the dark cloud lifted from the franchise. You can try to spin it but if I’m the Lakers? We can go longer with russ than you guys can with the Kyrie distraction hanging over your franchise every day. You guys move sooner than later because that’s what the guy cutting the checks wants.

And taking on Westbrook is a better solution?

We can easily go with the Kyrie distraction. Because your garbage trade creates another problem.

Yiu are totally missing the point.

You are cutting Westbrook and keeping the compensation.

Your only other alternative is cutting Kyrie and getting nothing. Who then signs with the Lakers.

Taking on Westbrook is the sole reason you are being compensated. There is no market for Kyrie. No one is giving you a first for him. Hell the only way you might be able to trade him is to take back long term deals other teams don’t want. Then they will cut Irving and he ends up on the Lakers.

Any of these scenarios work just fine for the Lakers. Only one of them end up with positive assets going to Nets.

Choose wisely. In the meantime the Lakers will just chill out over here and enjoy the show.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Nets don’t have the stomach for this. You saw Tsai is letting it be known to everyone how hard the last year was and no one in the organization was in a good place. Tsai just wants to move on. He wants the dark cloud lifted from the franchise. You can try to spin it but if I’m the Lakers? We can go longer with russ than you guys can with the Kyrie distraction hanging over your franchise every day. You guys move sooner than later because that’s what the guy cutting the checks wants.

And taking on Westbrook is a better solution?

We can easily go with the Kyrie distraction. Because your garbage trade creates another problem.

Yiu are totally missing the point.

You are cutting Westbrook and keeping the compensation.

Your only other alternative is cutting Kyrie and getting nothing. Who then signs with the Lakers.

Taking on Westbrook is the sole reason you are being compensated. There is no market for Kyrie. No one is giving you a first for him. Hell the only way you might be able to trade him is to take back long term deals other teams don’t want. Then they will cut Irving and he ends up on the Lakers.

Any of these scenarios work just fine for the Lakers. Only one of them end up with positive assets going to Nets.

Choose wisely. In the meantime the Lakers will just chill out over here and enjoy the show.

Again not giving up Joe Harris to eat the Westbrick contract.

You can keep him. I'm not interested.

[hoosierdaddy34]

And taking on Westbrook is a better solution?

We can easily go with the Kyrie distraction. Because your garbage trade creates another problem.

Yiu are totally missing the point.

You are cutting Westbrook and keeping the compensation.

Your only other alternative is cutting Kyrie and getting nothing. Who then signs with the Lakers.

Taking on Westbrook is the sole reason you are being compensated. There is no market for Kyrie. No one is giving you a first for him. Hell the only way you might be able to trade him is to take back long term deals other teams don’t want. Then they will cut Irving and he ends up on the Lakers.

Any of these scenarios work just fine for the Lakers. Only one of them end up with positive assets going to Nets.

Choose wisely. In the meantime the Lakers will just chill out over here and enjoy the show.

Again not giving up Joe Harris to eat the Westbrick contract.

You can keep him. I'm not interested.

Interestingly enough about that, I’m not sure the Lakers even want Joe Harris. It seems to be the Nets pushing that contract to get rid of his second year.

[Pharmcat]

Other than posters going back and forth has there been any traction on this trade? I get a feeling this was a fake news article

[Hello Brooklyn]

Other than posters going back and forth has there been any traction on this trade? I get a feeling this was a fake news article

No lol

[hoosierdaddy34]

Other than posters going back and forth has there been any traction on this trade? I get a feeling this was a fake news article

It sounds like the Nets want to do the KD trade first before moving Kyrie.

And the Lakers are content waiting for the Nets to get aggressive to move him.

It could take a few weeks, or even months.

[TrueFan420]

Buddy has more value then either do. Both on the court or as a trade piece with 2 years 20 then 18 mill. There are teams that would likely offer a first for him. He’d be a great fit for a lot of teams.

That's why teams are tripping over themselves trying to trade for him? Or the fact that he was pretty much salary dumped onto the Pacers so that they could acquire Tyrese Haliburton? I like Buddy Hield, I really do, but paying shooters $18M+ isn't a good use of money.

He asked out from the Kings. Still has significant more value than THT and Nunn combine.

[Castle Black]

Kawhi all over again.

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[nbafan38]

Other than posters going back and forth has there been any traction on this trade? I get a feeling this was a fake news article

Theres a lot of fake news that will come out, it's entertaining but in reality no one really knows what will happen.

[nbafan38]

Kawhi all over again.

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Seems like Paul George situation all over again.

[MAMBAEMD]

Although neither PG nor Kawhi ended up a Laker, they both did leave their original teams.

[nbafan38]

Although neither PG nor Kawhi ended up a Laker, they both did leave their original teams.

I'm sure barring some extreme change of events Kyrie won't be on the nets after this season but I don't think a 2027 first round pick is worth blowing a chance to compete this season.

[SelfishPlayer]

Although neither PG nor Kawhi ended up a Laker, they both did leave their original teams.

LA is still LA...

[MAMBAEMD]

Although neither PG nor Kawhi ended up a Laker, they both did leave their original teams.

I'm sure barring some extreme change of events Kyrie won't be on the nets after this season but I don't think a 2027 first round pick is worth blowing a chance to compete this season.

Do you really believe that the Nets will be in a position to compete next year when their two best players have openly asked to be traded?

If there is a strong belief that both KD and Kyrie will give it everything they have if they remain Nets next year, I wouldn't trade them either, and certainly not for a 2027 FRP.

[Pointgod]

Kawhi all over again.

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Seems like an expiring contract situation.

[akula1488]

Both Westbrook and Kyrie are sunken cost...

I think Kyrie + Harris for WB + 1st round pick is a fair deal. Nets get 1 draft capital plus shedding Harris contract...

[levon]

I would think the ship has sailed on Kyrie and KD coming back and being gung ho title contenders with the Nets. They've had three years to put it together. You don't think they've tried to convince Kyrie? You don't think they've had endless discussions with KD? It's at the point where neither are talking to the FO.

This is all standard negotiation posturing. It happens literally every time a trade demand isn't immediately met.

"we'll just bring him back" yet every time, they're traded. you guys are welcome to believe that this time it'll be different