NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

[Exp0sed]

Embiid is essentially out of the race, 10 missed games and it's Embiid we're talking about
not like he's gonna play every game the rest of the way

I think this might be a blessing in disguise for the 76ers
when he can't win MVP anyway, perhaps he'll chase it less and instead focus on how good this team can be if they played as a team

might be really good for them and i hope he does that

[Mickey8]

Team success always matters to individual awards. Look at the history of MVP winners.

Its not a who has the best stats award. Get a clue.

This is 100% true, and I’m bored of the statsheads claiming it should be all about the numbers. Where your argument falls down is you’re making it sound like Jokic is some empty stats merchant on a .500 team. We both agree the individual stats aren’t even close between Tatum and Jokic, and here is the team records when they play:

Tatum: 26-11
Jokic: 25-11

I don’t know about you, but sure doesn’t feel like enough of a gap to claim Tatum is above Jokic in MVP.
I’m high on Tatum though, dudes becoming underrated on these forums, but he just isn’t on Jokics level (or Lukas).

Well we were arguing in the abstract.

I said I would give the slight edge to Tatum. Based on better defense and record.

Tatum took his team to the Finals. Jokic flames out every year. And the one year he had a legit chance he got destroyed by Anthony Davis.

I don't see how Tatum is not on Jokic's level at all.

Tatum had the great supporting cast, and injury free team. Nobody is taking the team to anywhere , where Will Barton is your second best player. Stop spinning bs.

[B-easy]

[maxwellcu]

The past few pages of this thread remind me of the point in last year’s twitter campaign when the term “hooper” entered heavy use by supporters of the Most Valuable Philadelphian.

[ty 4191]

And the Celtics have a slightly better record in a tougher conference. So I give him the edge.

The Eastern Conference has a .492 winning percentage against the Western Conference overall this year. So no, the East isn't stronger.

[mcmurphy]

Thank you for the emotional response.

Logic will usually prevail over emotion though.

People need to emotionally detach themselves from their preconceived notions of Joker at this point and use the eye test and the numbers as a guide. There is not a single more impactful player on the offensive end.

Emotions?

As if I have some personal vendetta against Jokic.

Only one here emotional seems to be you and the Jokic stans.

He is not the "most impactful" player on the offensive end.

Last time we saw him in a playoff series he was outplayed by Curry. The year before by Devin Booker. And 2 years ago by Anthony Davis.

This is what getting outplayed by Curry looks like



Imagine how much of a hater you have to be to interpret this as jokic getting owned

you forgot about the great 6-man Austin Rivers... a career -3.1 bpm (with 600+ games played)... without a RS positive year

[ty 4191]

It’s his consistency that should be most celebrated though. He just doesn’t seem to have bad games.

Jokic has had 35 games shooting .500 or higher this year out of 36 games played.

As a frame of reference: Giannis is 20 out of 33. Embiid is 19 out of 28.

Jokic has 27 out of 36 games with a Game Score of 20 or higher. That's considered an outstanding game. (10 is average). He has ZERO games with a Game Score of 10 or less this entire season.

As a frame of reference: Giannis as 20 out of 33 games with a Game Score 20 or higher. He has two 10 or under. Embiid 20 out of 28. Two games 10 or under.

PS: Jokic's current streak of 30 games shooting .500 or better is 10th longest in NBA history, AND, every single player ahead of him on the all time list was a dunker who didn't shoot 3's at all!! Nobody else in the top 10 has more than 4 three point attempts during their streak: Jokic is 29 for 73 (.397) from three during his.

Jokic the last 2 seasons has, perhaps, become the most consistent player in history offensively.

[mcmurphy]

And 2 years ago by Anthony Davis.

maybe you don't remember the series, but Dwight Howard defence (always on the edge of flagrant) was funfdamental in that series

[ty 4191]

Watch on YouTube

Monster Triple Double against the best defensive team in the NBA. He has been, and continues to be, the MVP of the 22-23 season thus far.

[Infinite Llamas]

What I don't get is how someone who is Nets fan is not arguing for Durant (and you can make great argument for him). Instead he is pushing for Tatum
Please make good argument for Durant to make some contribution to this discussion.

Some Nets fans prolly just living in an alternate timeline where Billy King doesn’t trade for KG and Tatum/Brown are Nets players..is my best guess

[bradybunch]

Okay I keep trying to give it to Luka, but Jokic won't let me.

Give it to Jokic and we can stop wasting energy on it.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I feel like some may still not understand what this award is about. It’s not a career legacy award, it’s not a total accumulation of what you’ve done in the last 5 years award. It’s not a past playoff MVP award. Hell it’s not even the “who’s the current best player” award. It’s the 2022-2023 regular season most valuable player award.

I get some may not like the idea of a guy winning 3 MVPs before he wins a ring. Guess what that really doesn’t matter. Again the award is who has been the most valuable player for this current regular season.

I’m all for someone not having Jokic as the MVP so far. But if you’re bringing up past seasons/playoffs failures as your argument for why he’s not this season’s MVP. You’re making a very weak and pointless argument.

I brought up his past playoff failures in response to another poster saying he was the most impactful offensive player in the NBA.

Not in regards to his MVP status.

Yes it was an off topic discussion. But don't create strawmans.

[Hello Brooklyn]

What I don't get is how someone who is Nets fan is not arguing for Durant (and you can make great argument for him). Instead he is pushing for Tatum
Please make good argument for Durant to make some contribution to this discussion.

I'm not a homer.

I don't have to argue for Durant if I think its Tatum right now.

[Duke4life831]

I feel like some may still not understand what this award is about. It’s not a career legacy award, it’s not a total accumulation of what you’ve done in the last 5 years award. It’s not a past playoff MVP award. Hell it’s not even the “who’s the current best player” award. It’s the 2022-2023 regular season most valuable player award.

I get some may not like the idea of a guy winning 3 MVPs before he wins a ring. Guess what that really doesn’t matter. Again the award is who has been the most valuable player for this current regular season.

I’m all for someone not having Jokic as the MVP so far. But if you’re bringing up past seasons/playoffs failures as your argument for why he’s not this season’s MVP. You’re making a very weak and pointless argument.

I brought up his past playoff failures in response to another poster saying he was the most impactful offensive player in the NBA.

Not in regards to his MVP status.

Yes it was an off topic discussion. But don't create strawmans.

If I was specifically talking about just you, I would’ve quoted you. I pretty much post a post similar to this like once every 5 or so pages or so on here because every 5 or so pages the topic veers off to Jokic’s playoff past and so on.

[Hello Brooklyn]

What I don't get is how someone who is Nets fan is not arguing for Durant (and you can make great argument for him). Instead he is pushing for Tatum
Please make good argument for Durant to make some contribution to this discussion.

Some Nets fans prolly just living in an alternate timeline where Billy King doesn’t trade for KG and Tatum/Brown are Nets players..is my best guess

I'm ok with KD/Kyrie. But thanks.

[Jcool0]

Watch on YouTube

[Cubbies2120]

I feel like some may still not understand what this award is about. It’s not a career legacy award, it’s not a total accumulation of what you’ve done in the last 5 years award. It’s not a past playoff MVP award. Hell it’s not even the “who’s the current best player” award. It’s the 2022-2023 regular season most valuable player award.

I get some may not like the idea of a guy winning 3 MVPs before he wins a ring. Guess what that really doesn’t matter. Again the award is who has been the most valuable player for this current regular season.

I’m all for someone not having Jokic as the MVP so far. But if you’re bringing up past seasons/playoffs failures as your argument for why he’s not this season’s MVP. You’re making a very weak and pointless argument.

I brought up his past playoff failures in response to another poster saying he was the most impactful offensive player in the NBA.

Not in regards to his MVP status.

Yes it was an off topic discussion. But don't create strawmans.

Which superstar in NBA history can you take the #2 and #3 player off their team and expect them to beat the best team in their conference, or the entire NBA period? Just curious bubba.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I feel like some may still not understand what this award is about. It’s not a career legacy award, it’s not a total accumulation of what you’ve done in the last 5 years award. It’s not a past playoff MVP award. Hell it’s not even the “who’s the current best player” award. It’s the 2022-2023 regular season most valuable player award.

I get some may not like the idea of a guy winning 3 MVPs before he wins a ring. Guess what that really doesn’t matter. Again the award is who has been the most valuable player for this current regular season.

I’m all for someone not having Jokic as the MVP so far. But if you’re bringing up past seasons/playoffs failures as your argument for why he’s not this season’s MVP. You’re making a very weak and pointless argument.

I brought up his past playoff failures in response to another poster saying he was the most impactful offensive player in the NBA.

Not in regards to his MVP status.

Yes it was an off topic discussion. But don't create strawmans.

Which superstar in NBA history can you take the #2 and #3 player off their team and expect them to beat the best team in their conference, or the entire NBA period? Just curious bubba.

When he had Murray he got destroyed by Anthony Davis. A fact that Jokic stans ignore.

[Cubbies2120]

I brought up his past playoff failures in response to another poster saying he was the most impactful offensive player in the NBA.

Not in regards to his MVP status.

Yes it was an off topic discussion. But don't create strawmans.

Which superstar in NBA history can you take the #2 and #3 player off their team and expect them to beat the best team in their conference, or the entire NBA period? Just curious bubba.

When he had Murray he got destroyed by Anthony Davis. A fact that Jokic stans ignore.

Ohh, before he was an MVP, he lost to the NBA champions...

Almost as if players improve over time...

LeBron was the Finals MVP there...that's like me saying "KD was demolished by Chris Bosh when he had Harden/Westbrook" lol...cmon fam, you're better than that...

Everyone knows that in 2020, AD was the better player. Anyone arguing that today would be laughed off this forum.

Every season since then, he's been missing at LEAST his #2, and in one season #3 option...

Again, I ask you, which MVP / Superstar could you take their #2 and #3 options off the team and they beat the best team in the league in a 7 game series?

[Hello Brooklyn]

Which superstar in NBA history can you take the #2 and #3 player off their team and expect them to beat the best team in their conference, or the entire NBA period? Just curious bubba.

When he had Murray he got destroyed by Anthony Davis. A fact that Jokic stans ignore.

Ohh, before he was an MVP, he lost to the NBA champions...

Almost as if players improve over time...

LeBron was the Finals MVP there...that's like me saying "KD was demolished by Chris Bosh when he had Harden/Westbrook" lol...cmon fam, you're better than that...

Everyone knows that in 2020, AD was the better player. Anyone arguing that today would be laughed off this forum.

Every season since then, he's been missing at LEAST his #2, and in one season #3 option...

Again, I ask you, which MVP / Superstar could you take their #2 and #3 options off the team and they beat the best team in the league in a 7 game series?

I think Jokic could have gotten a higher seed last year and avoided facing the Warriors in the First Round last year.

But he didn't.

We will see this year in the playoffs. If Jokic wins it all I will admit I was wrong.