NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2023-24 (continued)

eyeatoma · Post #901 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:23 pm

AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:Oh advance stats matter now lol.
Lol so only matters if you use it right?

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When have I? All I heard from you the last three years is posting tweets and meme making fun of advanced stats. Now you change your tune. I find it hilarious

Because it was all we ever heard. It was nauseating.

Advanced stats have its place but it's not the end all and be all.

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AleksandarN · Post #902 » by **AleksandarN** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:28 pm

1993Playoffs wrote:Hats off to Embiid. Crazy run he’s on

Yeah he is on a crazy heater

TinmanZBoy · Post #903 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:34 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Embiid dominates the 1st MVP ESPN strawpoll by Tim Bontemps...

Read on Twitter
?t=Z4UDAl_LAcDrWI9vlaCnLA&s=19

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39154933/nba-mvp-straw-poll-100-league-insiders-where-embiid-giannis-jokic-lebron-race

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Look we all objectively see the top 3 guys as Embiid Giannis and Jokic-

But I need to see the names of the guys that voted either Embiid or Jokic 4th…. At worse Embiid and jokic are in 3rd… at WORSE- this is crazy
Agreed

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what Tim Bomtemps of ESPN did is just pure annoying.... it is like those media dudes who have nothing to do but incite all type narratives surrounding MVP votes, which really turned ugly last season... both Embiid and Jokic did not deserve all the media scrutinies ... polling every a couple months is just trolling, seriously? This is not president election! man...

AleksandarN · Post #904 » by **AleksandarN** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:38 pm

LordCovington33 wrote:
RB34 wrote:
CD_41 wrote:Even tough the narrative is not in his favour ("Jokic should´ve won last year" etc.) his playing level and overall team record puts Embiid comfortably at No. 1. The season still has a long way to go, but for now he is the MVP.

What does team record have to do with it? Philly is a 3 seed in the East while having the easiest schedule.

Jokic stans last year would agree that team record is not important. What’s important, according to them, is the number of wins for the individual player, which currently stands at 18-10 for Jokic and 19-5 for Embiid.

Yet no one is arguing right now that Embiid is not the front runner. Most if not all agree he is in the lead for mvp

eyeatoma · Post #905 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:39 pm

TinmanZBoy wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:Look we all objectively see the top 3 guys as Embiid Giannis and Jokic-

But I need to see the names of the guys that voted either Embiid or Jokic 4th…. At worse Embiid and jokic are in 3rd… at WORSE- this is crazy
Agreed

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what Tim Bomtemps of ESPN did is just pure annoying.... it is like those media dudes who have nothing to do but incite all type narratives surrounding MVP votes, which really turned ugly last season... both Embiid and Jokic did not deserve all the media scrutinies ... polling every a couple months is just trolling, seriously? This is not president election! man...

It does drum up the drama. Which ESPN loves . I'm sure this stuff influences people.

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RB34 · Post #906 » by **RB34** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:42 pm

TinmanZBoy wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:Look we all objectively see the top 3 guys as Embiid Giannis and Jokic-

But I need to see the names of the guys that voted either Embiid or Jokic 4th…. At worse Embiid and jokic are in 3rd… at WORSE- this is crazy
Agreed

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what Tim Bomtemps of ESPN did is just pure annoying.... it is like those media dudes who have nothing to do but incite all type narratives surrounding MVP votes, which really turned ugly last season... both Embiid and Jokic did not deserve all the media scrutinies ... polling every a couple months is just trolling, seriously? This is not president election! man...

Half of these people don’t watch games either. They talk some wild stuff on their podcasts which makes it obvious.

TinmanZBoy · Post #907 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:44 pm

RB34 wrote:
TinmanZBoy wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Agreed

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what Tim Bomtemps of ESPN did is just pure annoying.... it is like those media dudes who have nothing to do but incite all type narratives surrounding MVP votes, which really turned ugly last season... both Embiid and Jokic did not deserve all the media scrutinies ... polling every a couple months is just trolling, seriously? This is not president election! man...

Half of these people don’t watch games either. They talk some wild stuff on their podcasts which makes it obvious.

true,

AleksandarN · Post #908 » by **AleksandarN** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:45 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:Has Jokic ever led the first straw poll? I don’t recall he has. Nothing new hear let’s see how the rest of the season plays out. I know I just want the one seed out west.
He has led numerous times.

Led at all star break last season.

Previous to that led for the last straw poll two seasons in a row.

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I said the first straw poll of the season. It wasn’t last year or the year before unless I missed something

eyeatoma · Post #909 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:46 pm

AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:Has Jokic ever led the first straw poll? I don’t recall he has. Nothing new hear let’s see how the rest of the season plays out. I know I just want the one seed out west.
He has led numerous times.

Led at all star break last season.

Previous to that led for the last straw poll two seasons in a row.

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I said the first straw poll of the season. It wasn’t last year or the year before unless I missed something

Ah right.

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AleksandarN · Post #910 » by **AleksandarN** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:46 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Lol so only matters if you use it right?

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When have I? All I heard from you the last three years is posting tweets and meme making fun of advanced stats. Now you change your tune. I find it hilarious
Because it was all we ever heard. It was nauseating.

Advanced stats have its place but it's not the end all and be all.

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From me? When?

eyeatoma · Post #911 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:56 pm

AleksandarN wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:
When have I? All I heard from you the last three years is posting tweets and meme making fun of advanced stats. Now you change your tune. I find it hilarious
Because it was all we ever heard. It was nauseating.

Advanced stats have its place but it's not the end all and be all.

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From me? When?

This thread, this board. Not you per say. Twitter and reddit love it too.

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DrModesty · Post #912 » by **DrModesty** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:49 pm

It is plausible to have Jokic as low as 5th right now without being a full blown hater. He has had some poor games, gotten thrown out a couple of times (even if it isn't his fault), his efficiency has tanked and Denver have a worse record than Philly, Milwaukee, and OKC.

I have him 3rd right now personally.

JN61 · Post #913 » by **JN61** » Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:03 pm

iggymcfrack wrote:
JN61 wrote:Easily Embiid as of now. I don't think anyone else is really even close. Around start of December in my opinion was the first time to about this subject after ~ 1/4th of season is done. Embiid has been putting up the work and they haven't missed a beat. Jokic down year all across the board. Giannis is looking great but I can't value him as high considering his supporting cast but he is definitely 2nd as of now. I don't think Jokic is top 3. Maybe not even top 5.

Jokic literally has the highest BPM of all-time this season, he's missed one game the entire year, and he has an on/off of +17.4 compared to +7.0 for Embiid. If you want to put Embiid higher due to this hot run he's had, I'm 100% fine with it, but if you say Jokic "isn't top 3 and maybe not even top 5", you either have no idea what you're talking about or you're trolling. He's still having a historic season.

Sample size.

Hobo4President · Post #914 » by **Hobo4President** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:18 am

Yeah Jokic could be as low as fifth however my rankings as of now, I'd have him third
1. Embiid
2. SGA
3. Jokic
4. Giannis
5. Luka

CobraCommander · Post #915 » by **CobraCommander** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 2:34 am

Hobo4President wrote:Yeah Jokic could be as low as fifth however my rankings as of now, I'd have him third
1. Embiid
2. SGA
3. Jokic
4. Giannis
5. Luka

Wow in SgA you trust -

Tonight gonna be interesting

bigboi · Post #916 » by **bigboi** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 2:35 am

Ja wont have enough games but def top 5 in MVP. Grizz is completely different team now

Optms · Post #917 » by **Optms** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:21 am

bigboi wrote:Ja wont have enough games but def top 5 in MVP. Grizz is completely different team now

Do you mean he could finish top 5 or he is top 5? I hope you mean the former because no one is even thinking about him as an MVP or anything close to it after 2 games.

bigboi · Post #918 » by **bigboi** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 3:26 am

Optms wrote:
bigboi wrote:Ja wont have enough games but def top 5 in MVP. Grizz is completely different team now

Do you mean he could finish top 5 or he is top 5? I hope you mean the former because no one is even thinking about him as an MVP or anything close to it after 2 games.

I’m not literally saying that he’s top 5 lol. He won’t play enough games to finish top 5 either. But I’m saying his impact and how Grizz have completely changed is top 5 level MVP impact

lethalizer · Post #919 » by **lethalizer** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:17 am

CobraCommander wrote:
Hobo4President wrote:Yeah Jokic could be as low as fifth however my rankings as of now, I'd have him third
1. Embiid
2. SGA
3. Jokic
4. Giannis
5. Luka

Wow in SgA you trust -

Tonight gonna be interesting

I don't really care about the MVP award, in fact I think it's not a particularly good award to get for a player if you value the postseason more as it's a very narrative driven award and in order to get it a player basically gets exhausted towards end of the regular season trying to put up monster numbers.

But you can make a case for SGA being 2nd right now if you like.

He's 2nd behind Embiid in EPM with the margin being not that big, with raw averages of 30.7 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 6.7 apg, 2.8 spg(which is kinda absurd), and 0.8 bpg.. His TS% is at 63% currently, which is pretty good for a guard.

He'll probably finish top 3 this season, which was my prediction before the start of the season, though I don't expect him to win it, and again, hopefully he won't. I'd like the team to rest him and fine tune him for the playoffs in the 2nd half of the season instead.

Mrakar · Post #920 » by **Mrakar** » Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:49 am

Read on Twitter

This.

Who is leading the race for MVP? (players listed in alphabetical order)