MVP discussion thread

ThePersianFreak · Post #921 » by **ThePersianFreak** » Thu Dec 5, 2013 7:40 pm

People who are whining about LeBron's shot selection are just WRONG!
Yes, for you LeBron homers it is frustrating cause his numbers are down and he does'nt average 30ppg but he is making the right play every single time, he's playing basketball the way it should be played, when open shoots it, when you've been doubled pass the ball to open man.
You want him to shoot over double/tripple team and firing hero balls just to have a better scoring average?! while you know it'll cost miami eventually?!
And it's not like he never takes over the games, many times we've seen him being much more aggressive when they need him to be.
It is mind boggling that people still criticize him for making the right play, the guy is scoring 26ppg, has made 166 FG while taking fewer shot than atleast 20 player!!!! he has scored 468 pts this season (second only to Durant, 484pts) and has taken 40 fewer shots! 40!!! and he's been on the court 25 minutes less than Durant.

Rasho_libre · Post #922 » by **Rasho_libre** » Thu Dec 5, 2013 11:54 pm

People are also forgetting what he usually does between dec-feb are in for awakening. If someone wants to win the MVP they have to create separation in the beginning, if not it will be Lebron. Right now no one has created any short separation

daschysta · Post #923 » by **daschysta** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 12:51 am

Rasho_libre wrote:People are also forgetting what he usually does between dec-feb are in for awakening. If someone wants to win the MVP they have to create separation in the beginning, if not it will be Lebron. Right now no one has created any short separation

Team success will still play a large role. If Indiana or Okc or Portland finish the year 3-4+ games ahead of the Heat then PG KD or LMA have a great chance at the award. It's very possible with D wade sitting out so much and MIA losing games during the easy part of their schedule.

Wont Trade · Post #924 » by **Wont Trade** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 1:23 am

daschysta wrote:
Rasho_libre wrote:People are also forgetting what he usually does between dec-feb are in for awakening. If someone wants to win the MVP they have to create separation in the beginning, if not it will be Lebron. Right now no one has created any short separation

Team success will still play a large role. If Indiana or Okc or Portland finish the year 3-4+ games ahead of the Heat then PG KD or LMA have a great chance at the award. It's very possible with D wade sitting out so much and MIA losing games during the easy part of their schedule.

It's also practically guaranteed that they will have a top 2 seed locked up extremely early, and if they're not going to hunt down the top seed they might even rest LeBron for a long stretch giving other teams and players a chance to close any gaps or extend any leads.

Chalky White · Post #925 » by **Chalky White** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 5:29 am

Lets see if we pile on LeBron as we piled on Durant.

BaffLer · Post #926 » by **BaffLer** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 5:39 am

Chalky White wrote:Lets see if we pile on LeBron as we piled on Durant.

I'll start. If Lebron and the Heat keep up this no effort in games then Bron will surely drop off in the rankings for MVP. He had 21 points but did it on 41% shooting. Pretty subpar game for him.

Chalky White · Post #927 » by **Chalky White** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 5:45 am

Rasho_libre wrote:
Chalky White wrote:
MisterWestside wrote:
So now an off-game = an entire season of what he's done?

You're kinda spinning your wheels here.

He hasn't really had a dominant stretch yet, and I really don't understand why that's so difficult to understand. Sure, he's shooting well, but the Heat have a bottom 3 SOS. He can be the best without actively playing the best, it's ok.

He's the best on the league and is still playing like the best in the league. Deal with it.

deneem4 · Post #928 » by **deneem4** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 5:58 am

Lebron can be efficient because hes surrounded by vets and shooters.... he has a top 5 pf and top 5 sg on his team, I dont understand how he can not be efficient if lebron doesnt want to take a shot he doesnt have too, he have slashers and spot up shooters at almost every position...if durant was on the heat he'll probably be shooting 70%...his only other ooptionis westbrook....I dont understand the lebron hype he's surrounded by incredible players...beasley jus makes it even easier...put durant on the mavs, with dirk and ellis...thats essentially what the heat is...bosh is no dirk but ellis is no wade...it balances out...would durant be mvp eligible with that lineup?

Rasho_libre · Post #929 » by **Rasho_libre** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 8:39 am

Chalky White wrote:
Rasho_libre wrote:
Chalky White wrote:
He hasn't really had a dominant stretch yet, and I really don't understand why that's so difficult to understand. Sure, he's shooting well, but the Heat have a bottom 3 SOS. He can be the best without actively playing the best, it's ok.

He's the best on the league and is still playing like the best in the league. Deal with it.

Lol you do know 1 game has passed since I last said that.

Rasho_libre · Post #930 » by **Rasho_libre** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 8:40 am

Chalky White wrote:Lets see if we pile on LeBron as we piled on Durant.

Who piled on Durant? I still have him at the top of my MVP list. Whats this mission your on?

Joao Saraiva · Post #931 » by **Joao Saraiva** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 10:54 am

LeBron better wake up he had 3 games in a row playing subpar.

But I guess he'll wake up, the thing that might affect his MVP run is his team record.

WinisKing · Post #932 » by **WinisKing** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 11:06 am

Right now, Lebron just excused himself from the MVP discussion.

His improved jumper must actually stay with him against capable defensive teams. Obviously not tonight.

LBJ-ITALY · Post #933 » by **LBJ-ITALY** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 1:07 pm

deneem4 wrote:Lebron can be efficient because hes surrounded by vets and shooters.... he has a top 5 pf and top 5 sg on his team, I dont understand how he can not be efficient if lebron doesnt want to take a shot he doesnt have too, he have slashers and spot up shooters at almost every position...if durant was on the heat he'll probably be shooting 70%...his only other ooptionis westbrook....I dont understand the lebron hype he's surrounded by incredible players...beasley jus makes it even easier...put durant on the mavs, with dirk and ellis...thats essentially what the heat is...bosh is no dirk but ellis is no wade...it balances out...would durant be mvp eligible with that lineup?

T-Blazin1995 · Post #934 » by **T-Blazin1995** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 5:41 pm

Not to be a homer but I feel Aldridge at this current time should either be in the lead or a close 2nd in the MVP race. I have always been annoyed by Aldridge because he never put in 100% or tried to do more for the team but this year I have never been more amazed by him he has put in a lot more work on D and rebounding. That would have been enough to satisfy me but he also added more post moves making him nearly unstoppable on offense. Aldridge also has the numbers to be put into the discussion (23.5ppg 9.57rebounds 2.58assist 1.21steals .89blocks on a nice PER of 22.64) and the blazers have the best record in the west beating the #1, #2, #4 teams in the league and they beat the warriors @ golden state. If that doesn't deserve any MVP chatter than I don't what does.

Ettorefm · Post #935 » by **Ettorefm** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 5:55 pm

T-Blazin1995 wrote:Not to be a homer but I feel Aldridge at this current time should either be in the lead or a close 2nd in the MVP race. I have always been annoyed by Aldridge because he never put in 100% or tried to do more for the team but this year I have never been more amazed by him he has put in a lot more work on D and rebounding. That would have been enough to satisfy me but he also added more post moves making him nearly unstoppable on offense. Aldridge also has the numbers to be put into the discussion (23.5ppg 9.57rebounds 2.58assist 1.21steals .89blocks on a nice PER of 22.64) and the blazers have the best record in the west beating the #1, #2, #4 teams in the league and they beat the warriors @ golden state. If that doesn't deserve any MVP chatter than I don't what does.

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Love is at 24/13 but doesn't have the record, so I'd say they're pretty much equal in nº4
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CP3, George and Durant above them (with LBJ out of the race because he's not racing against anyone...it's there for someone else to dominate, or it's his by default - as he is far from everyone else in quality)

theokie · Post #936 » by **theokie** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 6:21 pm

This is the most prisoner of the moment thread ever.

deneem4 · Post #937 » by **deneem4** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 6:36 pm

LBJ-ITALY wrote:
deneem4 wrote:Lebron can be efficient because hes surrounded by vets and shooters.... he has a top 5 pf and top 5 sg on his team, I dont understand how he can not be efficient if lebron doesnt want to take a shot he doesnt have too, he have slashers and spot up shooters at almost every position...if durant was on the heat he'll probably be shooting 70%...his only other ooptionis westbrook....I dont understand the lebron hype he's surrounded by incredible players...beasley jus makes it even easier...put durant on the mavs, with dirk and ellis...thats essentially what the heat is...bosh is no dirk but ellis is no wade...it balances out...would durant be mvp eligible with that lineup?

Name shooting guards better than wade
Name power forwards better than bosh

T-Blazin1995 · Post #938 » by **T-Blazin1995** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 6:37 pm

Ettorefm wrote:
T-Blazin1995 wrote:Not to be a homer but I feel Aldridge at this current time should either be in the lead or a close 2nd in the MVP race. I have always been annoyed by Aldridge because he never put in 100% or tried to do more for the team but this year I have never been more amazed by him he has put in a lot more work on D and rebounding. That would have been enough to satisfy me but he also added more post moves making him nearly unstoppable on offense. Aldridge also has the numbers to be put into the discussion (23.5ppg 9.57rebounds 2.58assist 1.21steals .89blocks on a nice PER of 22.64) and the blazers have the best record in the west beating the #1, #2, #4 teams in the league and they beat the warriors @ golden state. If that doesn't deserve any MVP chatter than I don't what does.

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Love is at 24/13 but doesn't have the record, so I'd say they're pretty much equal in nº4
.
CP3, George and Durant above them (with LBJ out of the race because he's not racing against anyone...it's there for someone else to dominate, or it's his by default - as he is far from everyone else in quality)

Love? The T-Wolves are ranked 13 In the west with a 9-10 record he has no right to be I the race. IMO to be in the MVP race you need a good team record along with good numbers. Love averaging .1 more points and 4 more rebounds with zero defensive stats isn't even close to the same as what Aldridge has accomplished. IMO Love should have never been in a MVP discussion he hasn't led his team to the playoffs once not even once. The only player I would place ahead of Aldridge at this point in the season is maybe George due to a slightly better record. And how can you put Durant ahead of Aldridge after Aldridge clearly out played him in their last head to head match up and the Blazers have a better record?

T-Blazin1995 · Post #939 » by **T-Blazin1995** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 6:46 pm

deneem4 wrote:
Name shooting guards better than wade
Name power forwards better than bosh

Power forwards: Aldridge, Love, Griffin, Dirk, Duncan and this year Ibaka
Shooting guards: Kobe when healthy, Harden, and maybe Eric Gordon when healthy maybe

deneem4 · Post #940 » by **deneem4** » Fri Dec 6, 2013 9:22 pm

T-Blazin1995 wrote:
deneem4 wrote:
Name shooting guards better than wade
Name power forwards better than bosh

Power forwards: Aldridge, Love, Griffin, Dirk, Duncan and this year Ibaka
Shooting guards: Kobe when healthy, Harden, and maybe Eric Gordon when healthy maybe

According to u
Bosh 7th best pf
Wade 4th best sg
(Both 2 way players as well)
Ray allen best shooter in nba history

But lebron not surrounded by incredible players?