MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

Dupp · Post #922 » by **Dupp** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:49 am

Sore thigh Kawhi really separating himself from the pack

HotRocks34 · Post #923 » by **HotRocks34** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:02 am

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mademan · Post #924 » by **mademan** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:25 am

At this point, its not close, imo. Its giannis by a few tiers and then the arguments start for 2nd.

Barnzy · Post #925 » by **Barnzy** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:31 am

Hephaestus wrote:Luka

Has 6 losses already and will be 7 soon after the next game vs the Lakers.

He has to maintain a top 2-3 seed to have a chance.

nzahir · Post #926 » by **nzahir** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:44 am

mademan wrote:At this point, its not close, imo. Its giannis by a few tiers and then the arguments start for 2nd.

Yet its extremely close and its Lebron

#1 seed in the WEST
Higher Net Rating than Giannis (so there is your value)
Has the MVP Narrative: Been 7 years since he has gotten 1, 17th year, LAL market/media, Comeback Year
Giannis shooting under 60% from ft line and under 30% from 3s doesn't help his case.

His jumper just isn't there yet and in the playoffs it will be an issue AGAIN. Smart defensive teams with the personal will take what they learned from the raptors plan.

Lakers have the personal. Sixers have the personal. Clippers have the personal if Zubac continues to defend the rim. Boston if they get a C has the personal.

mademan · Post #927 » by **mademan** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:05 am

nzahir wrote:
mademan wrote:At this point, its not close, imo. Its giannis by a few tiers and then the arguments start for 2nd.

Yet its extremely close and its Lebron

#1 seed in the WEST
Higher Net Rating than Giannis (so there is your value)
Has the MVP Narrative: Been 7 years since he has gotten 1, 17th year, LAL market/media, Comeback Year
Giannis shooting under 60% from ft line and under 30% from 3s doesn't help his case.

His jumper just isn't there yet and in the playoffs it will be an issue AGAIN. Smart defensive teams with the personal will take what they learned from the raptors plan.

Lakers have the personal. Sixers have the personal. Clippers have the personal if Zubac continues to defend the rim. Boston if they get a C has the personal.

Giannis is playing much better than Lebron. This whole narrative business is ridiculous. Giannis got the wins and a huge statistical edge. This would go down as one of the bigger robberies (and some commentators have already said they think Lebron's the MVP, which is insane)

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #928 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:24 am

Big Dog Yank wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Homer38 wrote:

I take the under...And 65 games will not be enough and he needs to play better too to just be in the top 5.

Play better? He's averaging 26 points on 54% TS, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, his PIE is over 20, DBPM is 3.4, 11-2 record and both losses were without his 2nd best player. That's MVP level I think and I'm expecting him to miss only 1/2 of every back to back rest of the season so you do the math.

Who else is a 26 PPG player that is also arguably his team's best rebounder playmaker and defender?

The current MVP, Giannis

I almost thought it was a sarcastic, rhetorical question

Post #929 » by **GeorgeMarcus** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:44 am

Food for thought:
- The Sixers allowed 107 or less points in regulation 15 of 19 games this season; Embiid played in all of them.
- The Sixers allowed 111+ points in regulation the other 4 games; Embiid didn't play in any of them.

Opp average with Embiid: 98.9pts/regulation
Opp average without Embiid: 116.3pts/regulation

I say "regulation" because the OT game against OKC fudged the results.

AIfan3 · Post #930 » by **AIfan3** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:56 am

Giannis is running away with it. It'll be between him and Bron towards the end of the season. Kawhi and PG will cancel each other out. Luka is a wild card.. I don't see the Mavs finishing as a top 5 team in the league to warrant an MVP for Luka. Same for Harden. One of Embiid or Jokic will make a strong push late..

nzahir · Post #931 » by **nzahir** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:58 am

mademan wrote:
nzahir wrote:
mademan wrote:At this point, its not close, imo. Its giannis by a few tiers and then the arguments start for 2nd.

Yet its extremely close and its Lebron

#1 seed in the WEST
Higher Net Rating than Giannis (so there is your value)
Has the MVP Narrative: Been 7 years since he has gotten 1, 17th year, LAL market/media, Comeback Year
Giannis shooting under 60% from ft line and under 30% from 3s doesn't help his case.

His jumper just isn't there yet and in the playoffs it will be an issue AGAIN. Smart defensive teams with the personal will take what they learned from the raptors plan.

Lakers have the personal. Sixers have the personal. Clippers have the personal if Zubac continues to defend the rim. Boston if they get a C has the personal.

Giannis is playing much better than Lebron. This whole narrative business is ridiculous. Giannis got the wins and a huge statistical edge. This would go down as one of the bigger robberies (and some commentators have already said they think Lebron's the MVP, which is insane)

Where is the robbery part?

Numbers say Lebron is more VALUABLE atm. His net rating is higher. AD w/o lebron posts a NEGATIVE net rating of over 5.

Lebron is playing with castaways like Rondo, KCP, Mcgee, and Dwight all getting real minutes. Giannis doesn't have someone as good as AD, but they have a ton of depth. Middleton is an all star in the east and Bledsoe is a good player (if he doesn't **** himself come playoffs). Tons of shooters and versatile wings.

Lebron has been robbed multiple times imo

And if the award is about the best player in the league (who isn't load managing), then why would it be Giannis with his flaws that will be exposed come playoffs?

Playing in the west means you don't get a ton of those crappy east teams at the bottom to just cruise through.

This won't come into play but I saw this:

The Milwaukee Bucks have faced the Heat without Jimmy Butler, the Wolves without Karl Anthony Towns, the Clippers without Paul George or Kawhi Leonard, the Jazz without Rudy Gobert, the Pistons without Griffin, and the Blazers without Damian Lillard.

All In less than 20 games, talk about good fortune

WHITE_HOT_HEAT · Post #932 » by **WHITE_HOT_HEAT** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:06 am

I'm going to have some fun now:

MVP list:

Load Managing Nephew is an inefficient turnover machine who's a poor playmaker. Barely an all-star reserve if experts voted today.

Perseus1966 · Post #933 » by **Perseus1966** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:51 am

Playing in the west means you don't get a ton of those crappy east teams at the bottom to just cruise through

no you play warriors memphis suns mavs and portland!

RB34 · Post #934 » by **RB34** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:42 am

Wonder what Giannis would look like if he had another top 5 player next to him.

Barnzy · Post #935 » by **Barnzy** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:01 am

RB34 wrote:Wonder what Giannis would look like if he had another top 5 player next to him.

He would probably have less of a chance for MVP as his stats would be split with another high volume guy.

Giannis is in the perfect environment to make him look the best. Not necessarily the best place to win a title.

Homer38 · Post #936 » by **Homer38** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:05 am

Perseus1966 wrote:
Playing in the west means you don't get a ton of those crappy east teams at the bottom to just cruise through
no you play warriors memphis suns mavs and portland!

Mavs are not a bad team this year…

For LeBron,Giannis is my pick for the MVP right now but if LBJ and the lakers have a big month in december(their schedule is very hard)LeBron is going to have a good shot to win the MVP....

Perseus1966 · Post #937 » by **Perseus1966** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 11:19 am

This December is crucial for mvp ,bucks lakers bucks clippers bucks toronto ,lakers road trip to the east ,after jan 10th probably we will know who the mvp is

oldshoolballer · Post #938 » by **oldshoolballer** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:40 pm

I think LeBron is in the lead followed by Giannis and Luka.And man how about Luka at 20 years old in the running for MVP.That sounds almost unbelievable for such a young player.

Jurassic_Park · Post #939 » by **Jurassic_Park** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:57 pm

Yeah this is Giannis. Can you imagine if AD was on his team?

clyde21 · Post #940 » by **clyde21** » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:14 pm

Giannis and then everyone else

Kawhi sucks and LeBron plays with another top5 player

weak year for MVPs.

Who is your pick for the 2019-20 MVP?