Woj: DLo to Minny for Wiggins

[F Saunders]

It definitely didn't translate in the first round. A 45 TS%, terrible shot selection and his typical lousy defense. He was so bad he got benched in crunch time in game 6 for McLaughlin.

Absolutely, he was terrible in the playoffs vs. Memphis, just brutal. My only point was that without him the Wolves most likely don’t get to the playoffs, but he got us there. (Which in MN, is almost worthy enough to deserve a statue

[Salty1]

Wtf are the Warriors doing? Why!?

Lol

[FNQ]

I really dont see how most fans could have seen it coming.. there's this theory among fans that as a player's role gets dwindled down, they get more effective. And its gospel for some, but its not true

Wiggins is not a #1 option, not a playmaker, and not a good ballhandler. And he was doing all of those things in Minnesota.. and did most at KU too (not playmaking, they had some run of the mill PG there). But the reason MIN gave him those responsibilities was because he showed flashes of being good at it.. and in GS he's asked to do it less, and is thus more effective because he can pick his spots instead of trying to take over a game.

But it could have gone so many different ways.. will Wiggins shoot less? Will he dribble less? Will he fit into team defensive scheme (off-ball defense)? Will his on-ball defense improve with less offensive responsibility? It turned out the answer was yes to all of it, but there was very little data pointing to that being the case.. I don't see why people are dunking on people in this thread, there's threads from like 2 months ago where people still didnt believe Wiggins was any good. Save you dunks for them

[playoffs]

I really dont see how most fans could have seen it coming.. there's this theory among fans that as a player's role gets dwindled down, they get more effective. And its gospel for some, but its not true

Wiggins is not a #1 option, not a playmaker, and not a good ballhandler. And he was doing all of those things in Minnesota.. and did most at KU too (not playmaking, they had some run of the mill PG there). But the reason MIN gave him those responsibilities was because he showed flashes of being good at it.. and in GS he's asked to do it less, and is thus more effective because he can pick his spots instead of trying to take over a game.

But it could have gone so many different ways.. will Wiggins shoot less? Will he dribble less? Will he fit into team defensive scheme (off-ball defense)? Will his on-ball defense improve with less offensive responsibility? It turned out the answer was yes to all of it, but there was very little data pointing to that being the case.. I don't see why people are dunking on people in this thread, there's threads from like 2 months ago where people still didnt believe Wiggins was any good. Save you dunks for them

I agree you can't fault anyone for not expecting this version of Wiggins, but at the same time it was a massive overreaction to a trade that I personally thought was at least OK for the Warriors, considering they got that pick from Minny. I think it was reasonable to hope that Wiggins would do a lot better in GS, considering the culture, general fit with the roster, and of course his potential as a #1 pick. Him simply being a serviceable role player + the pick would've more than justified that trade imo, and that was a reasonable expectation even at the time.

[KodiakBear]

Wtf are the Warriors doing? Why!?

They are making an amazing trade that will lead them to win another championship.

[LoveMyRaps]

lmao who opened the poll back up? love how a bunch of folks here are changing their votes

[G35]

I really dont see how most fans could have seen it coming.. there's this theory among fans that as a player's role gets dwindled down, they get more effective. And its gospel for some, but its not true

Wiggins is not a #1 option, not a playmaker, and not a good ballhandler. And he was doing all of those things in Minnesota.. and did most at KU too (not playmaking, they had some run of the mill PG there). But the reason MIN gave him those responsibilities was because he showed flashes of being good at it.. and in GS he's asked to do it less, and is thus more effective because he can pick his spots instead of trying to take over a game.

But it could have gone so many different ways.. will Wiggins shoot less? Will he dribble less? Will he fit into team defensive scheme (off-ball defense)? Will his on-ball defense improve with less offensive responsibility? It turned out the answer was yes to all of it, but there was very little data pointing to that being the case.. I don't see why people are dunking on people in this thread, there's threads from like 2 months ago where people still didnt believe Wiggins was any good. Save you dunks for them

Definitely this, personality and willingness to "fit in" instead of trying to "get his" makes all the difference imo. That seems obvious now, but you never know what a player is going to do. Wiggins could have come in trying to prove his worth in order to maximize his next contract by shooting more and going after boxscore stats.

But Wiggins actually maximized his status by fitting into the Warriors system. Finding players that are willing to put the teams goals ahead of personal goals is where GM's make their money. Warriors have done that with a lot of their players...not sure if its their interview process or finding players at points in their career where they are willing to concede stats for team goals.....

[zimpy27]

I really dont see how most fans could have seen it coming.. there's this theory among fans that as a player's role gets dwindled down, they get more effective. And its gospel for some, but its not true

Wiggins is not a #1 option, not a playmaker, and not a good ballhandler. And he was doing all of those things in Minnesota.. and did most at KU too (not playmaking, they had some run of the mill PG there). But the reason MIN gave him those responsibilities was because he showed flashes of being good at it.. and in GS he's asked to do it less, and is thus more effective because he can pick his spots instead of trying to take over a game.

But it could have gone so many different ways.. will Wiggins shoot less? Will he dribble less? Will he fit into team defensive scheme (off-ball defense)? Will his on-ball defense improve with less offensive responsibility? It turned out the answer was yes to all of it, but there was very little data pointing to that being the case.. I don't see why people are dunking on people in this thread, there's threads from like 2 months ago where people still didnt believe Wiggins was any good. Save you dunks for them

Pretty much. It makes you wonder how many underperforming players could break out in the right role.

[Roddy B for 3]

Contrary to popular belief, I think GS wins this deal. I think Wiggins will surprise a lot of people in GS’s system, playing with guys that he’d be smart to respect that will make sure to keep him accountable on a team with a number of champions in the form of players and coaches. Add the fact that they get an unprotected 1st in ‘21 (I think it’ll be a late lotto or so) and a 2nd, and I really think they win this deal.

Same, trade benefits both teams, Kat get's his good friend, and they might shake up roster in Minnesota. Warriors get better fit with Wiggins that should fit well with healthy Warriors roster. Curry, Klay, Wiggins and Draymond is a really solid core, and those guys could motivate Wiggins to realize his potential.

Wolves are coming of one of their best seasons in 20 years too. Win all around.

[Admiral-Kizaru]

The evolution of superstar Wiggins begins now.
Warriors won this deal. By a landslide.

[FNQ]

I really dont see how most fans could have seen it coming.. there's this theory among fans that as a player's role gets dwindled down, they get more effective. And its gospel for some, but its not true

Wiggins is not a #1 option, not a playmaker, and not a good ballhandler. And he was doing all of those things in Minnesota.. and did most at KU too (not playmaking, they had some run of the mill PG there). But the reason MIN gave him those responsibilities was because he showed flashes of being good at it.. and in GS he's asked to do it less, and is thus more effective because he can pick his spots instead of trying to take over a game.

But it could have gone so many different ways.. will Wiggins shoot less? Will he dribble less? Will he fit into team defensive scheme (off-ball defense)? Will his on-ball defense improve with less offensive responsibility? It turned out the answer was yes to all of it, but there was very little data pointing to that being the case.. I don't see why people are dunking on people in this thread, there's threads from like 2 months ago where people still didnt believe Wiggins was any good. Save you dunks for them

Definitely this, personality and willingness to "fit in" instead of trying to "get his" makes all the difference imo. That seems obvious now, but you never know what a player is going to do. Wiggins could have come in trying to prove his worth in order to maximize his next contract by shooting more and going after boxscore stats.

But Wiggins actually maximized his status by fitting into the Warriors system. Finding players that are willing to put the teams goals ahead of personal goals is where GM's make their money. Warriors have done that with a lot of their players...not sure if its their interview process or finding players at points in their career where they are willing to concede stats for team goals.....

I think its finding players at certain points.. because we've had some success with it, but some failures. OPJ for the minimum was a success, Nick Young for the MLE was not. Trading for Wiggins was a success, trading for Oubre was not. So there's a bit of dart-throwing going on with it as well

[rtiff68]

As a Warriors fan, I am surprised to see so much negativity aimed at them for this move.

Had they not traded for DiLo, they would have lost Durant's cap-hold. The Warriors are WAY over the cap-- had Durant just walked, they would have simply lost the ability to take on roughly 30 million in contracts. Overpaying DiLo in a S&T preserved that cap-hold.

DiLo is not a bad player, but he is a not max player and he was never a good fit on the Warriors. The Warriors need to get younger, bigger, and more athletic without any cap space to chase FA's-- all they can do is acquire talent through trades and the draft.

So, what have they done this year thus far after this trade?

-Probably secured themselves a top 3ish pick in this draft and rested Curry, Klay, and Green.

-Probably secured themselves a top 10 pick next year or better the year after; unless, of course, you think building around a ball dominant, lowish-medium efficient volume scorer and a big who plays no defense is a recipe for anything better than .500ish in the WC the next 2 years.

-Traded said ball dominant combo-guard for a Rudy Gay clone who, while massively overpaid, plays a position they need depth and athleticism at. They're not hoping they can get Durant or Iguodala out of Wiggins with their culture, they're hoping they can get Harrison Barnes-- a goal that doesn't seem terribly unrealistic to me. He was a halfway decent fit on their roster few years, after all.

I think some people here overestimated DiLo's value, and are dramatically undervaluing that Minny FRP in '21 or '22.

Yep.

[CobraCommander]

lmao who opened the poll back up? love how a bunch of folks here are changing their votes

Only a fool would vote again for the wolves after they were given championship evidence of The warriors winning and Wiggins playing huge throughout

Oh and to the people saying wiggins ain’t a star-

He was actually an ALLSTAR this year and now they checking him for his ring size for a chip ring.

Got one of plays of this playoff run with his monster dunk…

Hero of a country- cool nick name - playing in big two city market- only thing he isn’t is annoying and flamboyant-

Star resume complete-

[Ryoga Hibiki]

Interesting how the rgm consensus on trades is like 90% of the times dead wrong

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[knuckles862]

It was easy to see at the time that the warriors won the trade. Strictly off fit it was a good trade for the warriors. Add in the 1st round pick and it became a steal