Nikola Jokic Shoves Markieff Morris After Morris's Foul; Both Ejected

[wraith985]

Chuck said it perfectly at the end. "Can't hit people and get mad that they hit you back".

And on that injury discussion happening above - yeah, nobody's actively wishing injury on Morris. But after what he pulled, ain't nobody gonna feel bad for him that he got hurt on the retaliation either.

[everdiso]

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The Shaq and chuck hit clips at the end there really put the jokic hit in perspective.

And nobody thinks Shaq or chuck were dirty.

And note how neither of those guys rolled around on the floor like a baby even after taking much bigger hits.

[harlem_ball]

lol

[G R E Y]

Do you have a sibling? Parent? Friend? Loved one?

Hes not responsible for the actions of his brother.

As for the play itself: you're not wrong. It wasn't clean. It was more dirty than not. He was frustrated. Doesnt look like he's trying to injure him at all. But was it worthy of 45 pages of "good, he deserves an injury and more, etc"?

Of course. I'm not sure why you got that out of the two examples. They were intended to show that 'no injury' does not necessarily mean 'didn't intend to injure' and they have a history of it so they get less benefit of the doubt.

I don't think it's 45 pages of people saying Morris is deserving an injury rather of a large shared sentiment of a dirty player getting bested by his own tactics, even if it's understood that they should be punished.

Those calling for actual Morris injury are definitely in the small minority here, so taking a minor position and putting disproportionate focus on it skews the prevailing sentiment of the thread.

I got that out of the two examples because you once again, brought up Markieffs brother. In the post, right before, you said: "People dislike Morris M&M because of their long and continuing history of dirty non-basketball aggressiveness".

It was me trying to say: hey, imagine having to be publically responsible for the mistakes of your loved one. That doesn't make much sense, does it?

As for what the 45 pages are about, this notion that "its a dirty player getting bested by his tactics" would be appropriate if we knew how long he's out for. You should reread the posts, with that in mind. Its obvious right away that we don't know how long he'll be out (or if he'll out)- thats the thing with the neck : it **** dangerous.

But hey, keep defending and justifying the misdirected anger, and then saying you're not justifying it.

But the point of examples of both brothers have nothing to do with one brother being responsible for actions of another. Rather they're given because of the kinds of fouls that are bad. It's like when a team has a collection of players who foul badly, like Laimbeer and Mahorn did back in the day. None of it was intended as someone being responsible for mistakes of another. That's all I have to say about that.

And you're imputing motives in saying I'm justifying anything. It's not misdirected anger, it's directed at the guy who has a history of non-basketball dirty plays. So explaining why Jokic retaliated even if it's not condoned is different than a redirect that tries to minimize it. And explaining why there's a cathartic feeling about Morris being hoisted by his own petard is also not justifying nor minimizing the impact of either player's physical act.

This exchange started out with levels of intent to injure, you putting Morris in the 'he didn't want to injure they guy' category, me in the 'didn't injure' doesn't mean 'didn't intend to injure' lane.

Then it shifted to your assertion of well most people want Morris to be hurt when it's really about his getting the feel of his own actions. It's possible for the satisfaction of the one without the desire for another. Few are conflating the two here.

[bisme37]

I don't like that Jokic trucked him in the back. That can lead to a serious life-changing injury. I'm not mad at all that he hit/shoved Morris. And I know Morris had his back turned. But call his name and punch him when he turns around or something.

Even if Morris is a bleep we probably don't need to see him suffer a spinal injury during a live basketball game, which could have legit happened. It just crosses some kind of line for me. (But I'll get over it haha.)

[tontoz]

Shannon Sharpe said " one dirty play deserves another"

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[bbalnation]

Of course. I'm not sure why you got that out of the two examples. They were intended to show that 'no injury' does not necessarily mean 'didn't intend to injure' and they have a history of it so they get less benefit of the doubt.

I don't think it's 45 pages of people saying Morris is deserving an injury rather of a large shared sentiment of a dirty player getting bested by his own tactics, even if it's understood that they should be punished.

Those calling for actual Morris injury are definitely in the small minority here, so taking a minor position and putting disproportionate focus on it skews the prevailing sentiment of the thread.

I got that out of the two examples because you once again, brought up Markieffs brother. In the post, right before, you said: "People dislike Morris M&M because of their long and continuing history of dirty non-basketball aggressiveness".

It was me trying to say: hey, imagine having to be publically responsible for the mistakes of your loved one. That doesn't make much sense, does it?

As for what the 45 pages are about, this notion that "its a dirty player getting bested by his tactics" would be appropriate if we knew how long he's out for. You should reread the posts, with that in mind. Its obvious right away that we don't know how long he'll be out (or if he'll out)- thats the thing with the neck : it **** dangerous.

But hey, keep defending and justifying the misdirected anger, and then saying you're not justifying it.

But the point of examples of both brothers have nothing to do with one brother being responsible for actions of another. Rather they're given because of the kinds of fouls that are bad. It's like when a team has a collection of players who foul badly, like Laimbeer and Mahorn did back in the day. None of it was intended as someone being responsible for mistakes of another. That's all I have to say about that.

And you're imputing motives in saying I'm justifying anything. It's not misdirected anger, it's directed at the guy who has a history of non-basketball dirty plays. So explaining why Jokic retaliated even if it's not condoned is different than a redirect that tries to minimize it. And explaining why there's a cathartic feeling about Morris being hoisted by his own petard is also not justifying nor minimizing the impact of either player's physical act.

This exchange started out with levels of intent to injure, you putting Morris in the 'he didn't want to injure they guy' category, me in the 'didn't injure' doesn't mean 'didn't intend to injure' lane.

Then it shifted to your assertion of well most people want Morris to be hurt when it's really about his getting the feel of his own actions. It's possible for the satisfaction of the one without the desire for another. Few are conflating the two here.

I think the intensity of the anger is what's misdirected. There's a reason why people express their hate more loudly for guys like Morris than Bill, or even other less expressive (but dirtier) players than Markieff. I digress.

[payton2kemp]

Yea I don't see anything wrong with what Jokic did. Morris did the exact same thing a second earlier, except Jokic didn't flop over. He should've flopped and got Morris kicked instead.

[The Rebel]

If you're playing pickup ball and you foul someone like that and turn around, would you really be surprised if you got shoved?

I would be really surprised if that is all that happened. You try for someone's legs on a jumpshot and that is a fight where I am from.

[FinnTheHuman]

I don't like that Jokic trucked him in the back. That can lead to a serious life-changing injury. I'm not mad at all that he hit/shoved Morris. And I know Morris had his back turned. But call his name and punch him when he turns around or something.

Even if Morris is a bleep we probably don't need to see him suffer a spinal injury during a live basketball game, which could have legit happened. It just crosses some kind of line for me. (But I'll get over it haha.)

That's just you spewing bull. Nothing can happen when you shove a guy like that. It's a shove, and shoves to the hardwood are not dangerous. The hit itself isn't dangerous because the force is pretty evenly distributed between Jokic's bodyparts that are simultaneously hitting Morris in the back, and the fall is even less dangerous because it's literally like diving for the loose ball, average person's instincts save them from anything happening by default. There is 0.001% that this results in a serious injury, shoves are not dangerous and that's why Jokic chose that instead of punching him. Morris' play was more dangerous because two pointy bodyparts went into Jokic's knee and ribs: the knee and the elbow. Expect Morris to be perfectly healthy for the 1st game he's available to play.

[bisme37]

I don't like that Jokic trucked him in the back. That can lead to a serious life-changing injury. I'm not mad at all that he hit/shoved Morris. And I know Morris had his back turned. But call his name and punch him when he turns around or something.

Even if Morris is a bleep we probably don't need to see him suffer a spinal injury during a live basketball game, which could have legit happened. It just crosses some kind of line for me. (But I'll get over it haha.)

That's just you spewing bull. Nothing can happen when you shove a guy like that. It's a shove, and shoves to the hardwood are not dangerous. The hit itself isn't dangerous because the force is pretty evenly distributed by Jokic's bodyparts that are simultaneously hitting Morris in the back, and the fall is even less dangerous because it's literally like diving for the loose ball, average person's instincts save them from anything happening by default. There is 0.001% that this results in a serious injury, shoves are not dangerous and that's why Jokic chose that instead of punching him. Morris' play was more dangerous because two pointy bodyparts went into Jokic's knee and ribs: the knee and the elbow.

Jeez I didn't expect my comment to elicit such an aggressive and angry response. Perhaps I'm sensitive about it because I've had serious spinal injuries of my own. When you take an unexpected hit to the back of the neck it can do real damage. Sorry you dislike the bull I'm spewing though.

[FinnTheHuman]

I don't like that Jokic trucked him in the back. That can lead to a serious life-changing injury. I'm not mad at all that he hit/shoved Morris. And I know Morris had his back turned. But call his name and punch him when he turns around or something.

Even if Morris is a bleep we probably don't need to see him suffer a spinal injury during a live basketball game, which could have legit happened. It just crosses some kind of line for me. (But I'll get over it haha.)

That's just you spewing bull. Nothing can happen when you shove a guy like that. It's a shove, and shoves to the hardwood are not dangerous. The hit itself isn't dangerous because the force is pretty evenly distributed by Jokic's bodyparts that are simultaneously hitting Morris in the back, and the fall is even less dangerous because it's literally like diving for the loose ball, average person's instincts save them from anything happening by default. There is 0.001% that this results in a serious injury, shoves are not dangerous and that's why Jokic chose that instead of punching him. Morris' play was more dangerous because two pointy bodyparts went into Jokic's knee and ribs: the knee and the elbow.

Jeez I didn't expect my comment to elicit such an aggressive and angry response. Perhaps I'm sensitive about it because I've had serious spinal injuries of my own. When you take an unexpected hit to the back of the neck it can do real damage. Sorry you dislike the bull I'm spewing though.

Did you have them because somebody shoved you to the hardwood by pushing you with a large surface area of their body? I'm sorry that you have your spinal issues, but nobody got them by getting shoved the way Jokic shoved Morris. Morris will look perfectly healthy for his next available game, you'll see.

[bwgood77]

Probably already posted but Richard Jefferson sums it up perfectly.

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[babyjax13]

Of course. I'm not sure why you got that out of the two examples. They were intended to show that 'no injury' does not necessarily mean 'didn't intend to injure' and they have a history of it so they get less benefit of the doubt.

I don't think it's 45 pages of people saying Morris is deserving an injury rather of a large shared sentiment of a dirty player getting bested by his own tactics, even if it's understood that they should be punished.

Those calling for actual Morris injury are definitely in the small minority here, so taking a minor position and putting disproportionate focus on it skews the prevailing sentiment of the thread.

I got that out of the two examples because you once again, brought up Markieffs brother. In the post, right before, you said: "People dislike Morris M&M because of their long and continuing history of dirty non-basketball aggressiveness".

It was me trying to say: hey, imagine having to be publically responsible for the mistakes of your loved one. That doesn't make much sense, does it?

As for what the 45 pages are about, this notion that "its a dirty player getting bested by his tactics" would be appropriate if we knew how long he's out for. You should reread the posts, with that in mind. Its obvious right away that we don't know how long he'll be out (or if he'll out)- thats the thing with the neck : it **** dangerous.

But hey, keep defending and justifying the misdirected anger, and then saying you're not justifying it.

But the point of examples of both brothers have nothing to do with one brother being responsible for actions of another. Rather they're given because of the kinds of fouls that are bad. It's like when a team has a collection of players who foul badly, like Laimbeer and Mahorn did back in the day. None of it was intended as someone being responsible for mistakes of another. That's all I have to say about that.

And you're imputing motives in saying I'm justifying anything. It's not misdirected anger, it's directed at the guy who has a history of non-basketball dirty plays. So explaining why Jokic retaliated even if it's not condoned is different than a redirect that tries to minimize it. And explaining why there's a cathartic feeling about Morris being hoisted by his own petard is also not justifying nor minimizing the impact of either player's physical act.

This exchange started out with levels of intent to injure, you putting Morris in the 'he didn't want to injure they guy' category, me in the 'didn't injure' doesn't mean 'didn't intend to injure' lane.

Then it shifted to your assertion of well most people want Morris to be hurt when it's really about his getting the feel of his own actions. It's possible for the satisfaction of the one without the desire for another. Few are conflating the two here.

Just a reminder that on the first page I posted a 10 minute video that goes back and forth between Marcus and Markieff committing one dirty foul after another. They are both dirty players, eventually one of them was going to have someone retaliate. Not saying that Jokic should have, just that Markieff isn't some innocent party here.

[bisme37]

That's just you spewing bull. Nothing can happen when you shove a guy like that. It's a shove, and shoves to the hardwood are not dangerous. The hit itself isn't dangerous because the force is pretty evenly distributed by Jokic's bodyparts that are simultaneously hitting Morris in the back, and the fall is even less dangerous because it's literally like diving for the loose ball, average person's instincts save them from anything happening by default. There is 0.001% that this results in a serious injury, shoves are not dangerous and that's why Jokic chose that instead of punching him. Morris' play was more dangerous because two pointy bodyparts went into Jokic's knee and ribs: the knee and the elbow.

Jeez I didn't expect my comment to elicit such an aggressive and angry response. Perhaps I'm sensitive about it because I've had life changing spinal injuries of my own. When you take an unexpected hit to the back of the neck it can do real damage. Sorry you dislike the bull I'm spewing though.

Did you have them because somebody shoved you to the hardwood by pushing you with a large surface area of their body? I'm sorry that you have your spinal issues, but nobody got them by getting shoved the way Jokic shoved Morris. Morris will look perfectly healthy for his next available game, you'll see.

I don't doubt that Morris is healthy and fine. I said it could have resulted in serious injury, not that it did. I have absolutely no interest in going back and forth on this so cheers.

[The Rebel]

Punches to the back of the head and strikes to the spine are illegal in combat sports for a reason.

I guess that would be a good reason to protect your back after you try to take someone out with a cheap shot wouldn't it?

[Knicks Byke]

Morris

soft.

[bakafool]

Good on Joker.

[The Rebel]

Yup i love Jokic but that's a dirty play. And jokic has a history of losing his cool. Even Jokic admitted it was stupid

Was Beverley's foul where he tore up Westbrook's knee just a hard foul too?

Should I be able to punch a player and then just turn my back, knowing retaliation is coming, and get away with no consequences?

1. Knee'd Jokic's knee sideways, while he had all 280 lbs planted on that leg
2. Elbowed him in the ribs as he was going to take off into the air

It's like people only saw the shove, not the lead up to it. Watch it in slow motion, it's a setting on youtube.

Youre missing the point. The foul was while the game was IN PLAY.

The blast from behind was not.

One is part of the game one isn't.

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By definition a flagrant 2 is not part of the game either.

[First Step]

The Morris twins should stick to picking on people smaller than them. They don't want that Jokic smoke.