2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 4)

Post #921 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 2:58 am

srhcan wrote:Barnes is really not that sharp. 2 dumb decisions in closing minutes

He’s like 12 years old.

yoyoboy · Post #922 » by **yoyoboy** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:14 am

Not sure what's going on with Mobley but the last couple weeks he hasn't been the same game changing defender he was earlier in the season. I'm hoping it's just the fact that he's playing so many minutes and he's not used to playing this often and playing against physicality to this degree, which are both wearing him down. It could also be weight gain and he's not used to playing as heavy as he is, so he still needs to get adjusted to that. Can't confirm that one, but by my eyes he does look a little bit thicker than he was to start the year, and he's also scoring better against physicality inside which could be indicative of that. He's still obviously a positive on D because his instincts are great, but the activity level is worse than it was before and he's not playing All-Defensive Team defense lately imo.

Post #923 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:16 am

yoyoboy wrote:Not sure what's going on with Mobley but the last couple weeks he hasn't been the same game changing defender he was earlier in the season. I'm hoping it's just the fact that he's playing so many minutes and he's not used to playing this often and playing against physicality to this degree, which are both wearing him down. It could also be weight gain and he's not used to playing as heavy as he is, so he still needs to get adjusted to that. Can't confirm that one, but by my eyes he does look a little bit thicker than he was to start the year, and he's also scoring better against physicality inside which could be indicative of that. He's still obviously a positive on D because his instincts are great, but the activity level is worse than it was before and he's not playing All-Defensive Team defense lately imo.

Barnes is labouring out there too. Rookie wall is for sure a thing, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.

yoyoboy · Post #924 » by **yoyoboy** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:21 am

Duffman100 wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Not sure what's going on with Mobley but the last couple weeks he hasn't been the same game changing defender he was earlier in the season. I'm hoping it's just the fact that he's playing so many minutes and he's not used to playing this often and playing against physicality to this degree, which are both wearing him down. It could also be weight gain and he's not used to playing as heavy as he is, so he still needs to get adjusted to that. Can't confirm that one, but by my eyes he does look a little bit thicker than he was to start the year, and he's also scoring better against physicality inside which could be indicative of that. He's still obviously a positive on D because his instincts are great, but the activity level is worse than it was before and he's not playing All-Defensive Team defense lately imo.

Barnes is labouring out there too. Rookie wall is for sure a thing, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.

Barnes is playing through a minor injury though, correct?

LoveMyRaps · Post #925 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:22 am

PrimeThyme wrote:Just like I was buying up Cade stock earlier in the season, I'm doing the same with Suggs long-term. The games slowing down and he's started to figure it out his last 10 games or so offensivley. Still all in.

Yup. Been all in on Cade and Suggs since the start and still riding with them. Both will be bonafide stars. Cade has that superstar potential.

Post #926 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 3:30 am

yoyoboy wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Not sure what's going on with Mobley but the last couple weeks he hasn't been the same game changing defender he was earlier in the season. I'm hoping it's just the fact that he's playing so many minutes and he's not used to playing this often and playing against physicality to this degree, which are both wearing him down. It could also be weight gain and he's not used to playing as heavy as he is, so he still needs to get adjusted to that. Can't confirm that one, but by my eyes he does look a little bit thicker than he was to start the year, and he's also scoring better against physicality inside which could be indicative of that. He's still obviously a positive on D because his instincts are great, but the activity level is worse than it was before and he's not playing All-Defensive Team defense lately imo.

Barnes is labouring out there too. Rookie wall is for sure a thing, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.

Barnes is playing through a minor injury though, correct?

Some knee tendinitis. Not really sure why they are having him play tbh.

Tripod · Post #927 » by **Tripod** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 4:14 am

Duffman100 wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Barnes is labouring out there too. Rookie wall is for sure a thing, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.

Barnes is playing through a minor injury though, correct?

Some knee tendinitis. Not really sure why they are having him play tbh.

Because they are trying to win games and GTJ is injured.

They only trust 8 guys right now to play. Having no bench is the big issue.

DroseReturnChi · Post #928 » by **DroseReturnChi** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:59 am

Duffman100 wrote:
Barnes is labouring out there too. Rookie wall is for sure a thing, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.

i dont think mobley is rookie wall maybe hes injured but barnes is clearly hit the wall. he wont be a star like kuminga unless hes increases his outside shooting and ft by at least 10%. bigs that cant shoot isnt allowed for todays nba.

Post #929 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:11 am

DroseReturnChi wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Barnes is labouring out there too. Rookie wall is for sure a thing, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.

i dont think mobley is rookie wall maybe hes injured but barnes is clearly hit the wall. he wont be a star like kuminga unless hes increases his outside shooting and ft by at least 10%. bigs that cant shoot isnt allowed for todays nba.

Except that Barnes is injured as mentioned two posts above.

Post #930 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:12 am

Tripod wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Barnes is playing through a minor injury though, correct?

Some knee tendinitis. Not really sure why they are having him play tbh.

Because they are trying to win games and GTJ is injured.

They only trust 8 guys right now to play. Having no bench is the big issue.

I mean I’m well aware. Let me rephrase. I’m not why they are playing him injured, to win games, in a season that ultimately doesn’t matter

LoveMyRaps · Post #931 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:38 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Barnes is labouring out there too. Rookie wall is for sure a thing, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.

i dont think mobley is rookie wall maybe hes injured but barnes is clearly hit the wall. he wont be a star like kuminga unless hes increases his outside shooting and ft by at least 10%. bigs that cant shoot isnt allowed for todays nba.

Except he can shoot... unlike Kuminga.

Stay ignorant. Expect nothing else from you.

K_chile22 · Post #932 » by **K_chile22** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:45 pm

I think people underrate how much it helps these young guys to play in an established system with star players that have a lot of gravity and just know how to play, unlike teams like Detroit, Houston and Orlando that don't really have any of that. It may be harder to get minutes on good teams, but it's easier to produce in those minutes, which is why I personally have Franz as the second best rookie this year

Post #933 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 6:51 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
DroseReturnChi wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Barnes is labouring out there too. Rookie wall is for sure a thing, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.

i dont think mobley is rookie wall maybe hes injured but barnes is clearly hit the wall. he wont be a star like kuminga unless hes increases his outside shooting and ft by at least 10%. bigs that cant shoot isnt allowed for todays nba.

Except he can shoot... unlike Kuminga.

Stay ignorant. Expect nothing else from you.

Barnes' shooting also started to fall off when he got hurt. I'm not worried.

Son Goku 25 · Post #934 » by **Son Goku 25** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:23 pm

DroseReturnChi wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Barnes is labouring out there too. Rookie wall is for sure a thing, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.

i dont think mobley is rookie wall maybe hes injured but barnes is clearly hit the wall. he wont be a star like kuminga unless hes increases his outside shooting and ft by at least 10%. bigs that cant shoot isnt allowed for todays nba.

Still salty huh. Who hurt you man?

HiRez · Post #935 » by **HiRez** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 7:26 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
DroseReturnChi wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Barnes is labouring out there too. Rookie wall is for sure a thing, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.

i dont think mobley is rookie wall maybe hes injured but barnes is clearly hit the wall. he wont be a star like kuminga unless hes increases his outside shooting and ft by at least 10%. bigs that cant shoot isnt allowed for todays nba.

Except he can shoot... unlike Kuminga.

Stay ignorant. Expect nothing else from you.

Not sure what you mean, Kuminga has a higher FG%, TS%, and EFG% than Barnes does. Not to say Kuminga's a good shooter at this time, he's not, but he's not nearly as bad as he looked in G League, or early in the season. And his shooting form doesn't look broken.

LoveMyRaps · Post #936 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:30 pm

HiRez wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
DroseReturnChi wrote:
i dont think mobley is rookie wall maybe hes injured but barnes is clearly hit the wall. he wont be a star like kuminga unless hes increases his outside shooting and ft by at least 10%. bigs that cant shoot isnt allowed for todays nba.

Except he can shoot... unlike Kuminga.

Stay ignorant. Expect nothing else from you.

Not sure what you mean, Kuminga has a higher FG%, TS%, and EFG% than Barnes does. Not to say Kuminga's a good shooter at this time, he's not, but he's not nearly as bad as he looked in G League, or early in the season. And his shooting form doesn't look broken.

He was suggesting Barnes won't be a star like Kuminga unless he increases his OUTSIDE SHOOTING & FREE-THROW SHOOTING.

Barnes is better in both departments than Kuminga.

Also, Barnes is definitely the better shooter of the two right now based on the eye test and numbers.
I do think Kuminga will improve a ton with his shooting given his mechanics and the fact that he's playing with two of the best shooters the game has ever seen.
But if you're looking at the numbers right now, Barnes is definitely better. Kuminga has a slightly higher FG% because he gets majority of his buckets right at the rim. Barnes has him beat in 3pt% and FT%.

Here are the numbers based on distance:

orlando_joe · Post #937 » by **orlando_joe** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:57 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
Barnes is labouring out there too. Rookie wall is for sure a thing, I wouldn’t be too concerned about it.

Barnes is playing through a minor injury though, correct?

Some knee tendinitis. Not really sure why they are having him play tbh.

and if going to play him why oh why 40 min..play him 28 a night for a couple weeks hate to see rookie pushed to point of injury..if it was finger or something but a knee come on

Post #938 » by **Duffman100** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:59 pm

orlando_joe wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Barnes is playing through a minor injury though, correct?

Some knee tendinitis. Not really sure why they are having him play tbh.

and if going to play him why oh why 40 min..play him 28 a night for a couple weeks hate to see rookie pushed to point of injury..if it was finger or something but a knee come on

Yup. In a year when you have almost certainly a ceiling of a first round exit. It's a bit...concerning to me.

CptCrunch · Post #939 » by **CptCrunch** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:38 pm

Out of the rookies, really two of them have been consistently positive largely over the whole season (over replacement level average players): Mobley and Sengun.

Rookie ranking in terms who I rather have going forward (not best rookie this year)

Tier 1
Mobley (All-NBA defense, sagging off a bit)

Tier 2
Wagner (Elite shooting and passing, kinda like what Cade is supposed to be)
Barnes (Hitting a rookie wall hard)
Sengun (Most productive offensive player in limited minutes, mini Jokic/Sabonis two in one)

Tier 3
Cade (Scoring comes really naturally, but he has serious issues with ball security. Doesn't seem to elevate team with his passes. He is one of those point guards who runs the offense, but not the type of point guard who is THE offense like Chris Paul and Jokic, Harden, LeBron, etc).
Green (Elite scoring potential, but sucks at everything)
Giddey (Elite passers, not sure how high his ceiling can be being a pure passer).

Not gonna list impact players like Herb Jones, Chris Duarte since they are already 23/24 years old. All other players are likely role players unless someone pulls a Jimmy Butler level developmental path.

At this point, I see one all-star plus player in Mobley, then the rest of the 6 are all borderline all-star to all-star in realistic outcome scenarios (some higher than others).

The Moose · Post #940 » by **The Moose** » Tue Jan 18, 2022 11:33 pm

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/insider/story/_/id/33083684/why-evan-mobley-no-1-cade-cunningham-progression-surprise-second-rounders-more

Cade up to number 2, he’s settling in a lot more recently and looks like a potential future star to me. Pre draft I said he had a lot of Joe Johnson scoring in his skill set in terms of ability to score in isolation.

Already he’s up to 10th in the league in points per isolation, ahead of players like Luka, Trae, Giannis.
He’s been very solid on defense both as a an individual and a team defender. He can play both on and off ball. Been over 40% from 3pt on high volume for the past month +, and you can see him developing as a lead guard every game.
Once he gets a little older and bulks up a bit, he’s going to be extremely difficult to guard.

Which three rookies impress you the most? (vote for up to 3)