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Jeremy Lin 7 wrote:Cade is nothing but empty stats. ROY is a coin flip between Barnes and Mobley who actually have an impact on winning.
vege wrote:bstein14 wrote:vege wrote:
What's really impressive about this is.
#1 Pistons haven't been getting rolled... They've been close to an average NBA team this month.
#2 Cade is just a 20 year old rookie, where tons of other rookies came in after 3 or 4 years of college.
Not to say that other rookies haven't had better months, Grant Hill (who played four years of college) has a better April his rookie year, just more PPG and RPG but not as many assists.
Still, I think its a good sign that Cade might be a triple double machine in the future once he figures everything out.
Nah, this is the impressive part of what he is doing. Imagine if the zebras had any respect for him.
4384 rookies in the History of the NBA
Only 10 have averaged 17/5/5
Oscar did it shooting 11.1 FT PG
MJ did it shooting 9.1 FT PG
Luka did it shooting 6.7 FT PG
Magic did it shooting 6.0 FT PG
LeBron did it shooting 5.8 FT PG
Cade doing it shooting 2.5 FT PG
orlando_joe wrote:vege wrote:bstein14 wrote:
What's really impressive about this is.
#1 Pistons haven't been getting rolled... They've been close to an average NBA team this month.
#2 Cade is just a 20 year old rookie, where tons of other rookies came in after 3 or 4 years of college.
Not to say that other rookies haven't had better months, Grant Hill (who played four years of college) has a better April his rookie year, just more PPG and RPG but not as many assists.
Still, I think its a good sign that Cade might be a triple double machine in the future once he figures everything out.
Nah, this is the impressive part of what he is doing. Imagine if the zebras had any respect for him.
4384 rookies in the History of the NBA
Only 10 have averaged 17/5/5
Oscar did it shooting 11.1 FT PG
MJ did it shooting 9.1 FT PG
Luka did it shooting 6.7 FT PG
Magic did it shooting 6.0 FT PG
LeBron did it shooting 5.8 FT PG
Cade doing it shooting 2.5 FT PG
why not post fg %...nevermind ...lol..we all know why...there is reason they got fouled
different roles. Cade plays with the ball in his hands. Green is playing as an off guard. Unfortunately Green has not gotten as many chances to be the playmaker. As far as compared to other guys, I think it’s obvious that Green has a much higher scoring upside than those guys based on his athletic profile. Once his skills catch up to his athleticism, it’s a wrap.reanimator wrote:kingmalaki wrote:toooskies wrote: If you're taking the best chance at a 1A offensive option, Cade is your best bet and Green might still be the #2.
I don’t see how anyone that has been watching Green in the 2nd half of the season can make this statement. Especially in an era where efficiency is heavily focused on.
Well given the self creation and passing gap, I think its fairly easy to see why he put Cade 1A. And truthfully, a few others have arguments over Green for 1b (Giddey, Barnes, Wagner).
JackTalkThai wrote:Jeremy Lin 7 wrote:Cade is nothing but empty stats. ROY is a coin flip between Barnes and Mobley who actually have an impact on winning.
When you don’t watch someone actually play, of course they will be empty stats. Michael Jordan incarnate could be on the Pistons putting up 20-8-8 and people like you would be like…EMPTY STATS YO.
Give this guy over here the award cuz he’s putting up lesser numbers on a better team. It’s analytical gibberish.
Shock Defeat wrote:different roles. Cade plays with the ball in his hands. Green is playing as an off guard. Unfortunately Green has not gotten as many chances to be the playmaker. As far as compared to other guys, I think it’s obvious that Green has a much higher scoring upside than those guys based on his athletic profile. Once his skills catch up to his athleticism, it’s a wrap.reanimator wrote:kingmalaki wrote:
I don’t see how anyone that has been watching Green in the 2nd half of the season can make this statement. Especially in an era where efficiency is heavily focused on.
Well given the self creation and passing gap, I think its fairly easy to see why he put Cade 1A. And truthfully, a few others have arguments over Green for 1b (Giddey, Barnes, Wagner).
mademan wrote:JackTalkThai wrote:Jeremy Lin 7 wrote:Cade is nothing but empty stats. ROY is a coin flip between Barnes and Mobley who actually have an impact on winning.
When you don’t watch someone actually play, of course they will be empty stats. Michael Jordan incarnate could be on the Pistons putting up 20-8-8 and people like you would be like…EMPTY STATS YO.
Give this guy over here the award cuz he’s putting up lesser numbers on a better team. It’s analytical gibberish.
...but cade's not putting up better numbers than Barnes. Unless effeciency doesnt matter. He's scoring better...taking 3.5 more shots to score 1.5 more points, is assisting more...2 more assists for 1.7 more turnovers, doesnt defend as well and impact stats dont do him any favors here. There's nothing to suggest he has better numbers
Im ok with Mobley over Barnes because of his ridiculous play earlier in the year, but Cade over Barnes would be a robbery. Barnes has better box score numbers, better impact stats and is better defensively. I dont really see an argument for Cade for ROY unless you completely disregard all his struggles
Klaw22 wrote:Cade winning the roy would be a disgrace. I mean, he doesn't have to share the ball... He's the man. Barnes playing with 2 all stars together, on a playoffs contending team, and still put up those numbers all season long. Cade couldn't do anything in the beginning.
Klaw22 wrote:Cade winning the roy would be a disgrace. I mean, he doesn't have to share the ball... He's the man. Barnes playing with 2 all stars together, on a playoffs contending team, and still put up those numbers all season long. Cade couldn't do anything in the beginning.
bstein14 wrote:Klaw22 wrote:Cade winning the roy would be a disgrace. I mean, he doesn't have to share the ball... He's the man. Barnes playing with 2 all stars together, on a playoffs contending team, and still put up those numbers all season long. Cade couldn't do anything in the beginning.
Cade was top 10 this season in double teams faced. Its part of the reason for the higher TOs and the lower FG% for sure. Having players like Siakam, FVV< and GTJr around him almost certainly would have made things easier on him this season and lowered his TOs as well as increased his FG%..... he rarely has anyone who sets him up for easy baskets he is the guy being thrown into the fire and its going to pay off in the long run for his player development but in the short term its why he hasn't been as efficient and why he's strugged with TOs.
