If you could re do the Cade, Green and Mobley draft would you go differently

[hardenASG13]

The only people rating green highly are blind rockets homers and people that look at box scores

Plus people that see what he's done with porter off the floor, the fact that he will fill out more physically and didn't expect him to have all the intricacies of the NBA figured out as a 20 year old who never played college basketball. Guy can score and is still playing mostly on raw talent as the number one option on his team, unlike the others on the list.

The only things he has done without Porter is shoot more, miss more, take more bad shots, he’s still lazy and plays no defense and doesn’t move without the ball, oh and they’re still losing games

BUT HE SCORES 20PPG!!!!!

Of course they are losing, look at their roster. The who premise of this thread is taking a long term look. He looks like he's going to be a big time scorer, especially when he gets stronger and learns some things. Which of these is other guys in this thread is being asked to be a number 1 option on a roster like houstons?

[nikster]

Barnes is not #3 lol, he will barely make top 5 as of now

He's had rough start but no way he's not top 5 now. Last 18 games he's averaging 18/8/5.5 on 57 TS%, 1.4 steals, 1.2 blocks and almost 3 offensive rebounds per game

he is in the top 5 now, but when Cade returns and Barnes does not improve then he will be out of top 5. Currently, he is average defensively and below average offensively.

18 points on solid efficiciency, over 5 assists and 3 offensive rebounds is below average offensive production?

[Time for Change]

18 points on solid efficiciency, over 5 assists and 3 offensive rebounds is below average offensive production?

I’m a Barnes fan, but come on now, he’s significantly below league average TS and below league average in FG% and FT% too. His scoring efficiency is straight up bad and the biggest argument against him.

[nikster]

18 points on solid efficiciency, over 5 assists and 3 offensive rebounds is below average offensive production?

I’m a Barnes fan, but come on now, he’s significantly below league average TS and below league average in FG% and FT% too. His scoring efficiency is straight up bad and the biggest argument against him.

Well initially I told the guy Barnes has turned it around since an awful start (was particularly bad in Nov) and I gave him stats of his most recent games, where he has an solid TS%. Since end of November he's at 56 TS%

[jasonxxx102]

The only people rating green highly are blind rockets homers and people that look at box scores

Plus professionals who get paid to rate players.

Read on Twitter

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The fact that you unironically referenced a 2k rating as some sort of evidence is legitimately the most hilarious thing I’ve seen on here all week.

Go watch a game for once

[ChumboChappati]

The problem here is two schools of thoughts
1.) Who is better now
2.) Who projects to be better down the line (upside)

The way the question is phrased now, its more #2

Putting all that aside, what is really missing from this thread, is Sengun discussion.

As for who is currently producing, Sengun has been pretty **** amazing.

If you want to talk the guys that are producing right now: Wagner, Mobley, Sengun and Barnes

Can you include Green, Giddey, and Kuminga in this list?

[ChumboChappati]

He's had rough start but no way he's not top 5 now. Last 18 games he's averaging 18/8/5.5 on 57 TS%, 1.4 steals, 1.2 blocks and almost 3 offensive rebounds per game

he is in the top 5 now, but when Cade returns and Barnes does not improve then he will be out of top 5. Currently, he is average defensively and below average offensively.

18 points on solid efficiciency, over 5 assists and 3 offensive rebounds is below average offensive production?

Check the post viewtopic.php?p=103728604#p103728604
Barnes is easily worst than Mobley, Franz and Sengun.

[Kiss of Death]

The only people rating green highly are blind rockets homers and people that look at box scores

Plus professionals who get paid to rate players.

Read on Twitter

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The fact that you unironically referenced a 2k rating as some sort of evidence is legitimately the most hilarious thing I’ve seen on here all week.

Go watch a game for once

Yes, because 12 year fanboys on Realgm are much more credible than professionals.

[nikster]

he is in the top 5 now, but when Cade returns and Barnes does not improve then he will be out of top 5. Currently, he is average defensively and below average offensively.

18 points on solid efficiciency, over 5 assists and 3 offensive rebounds is below average offensive production?

Check the post viewtopic.php?p=103728604#p103728604
Barnes is easily worst than Mobley, Franz and Sengun.

Again, talking about his play after November

[ItsDanger]

Yes, Scottie would be in top 3. The fact he's excluded in the OP is honestly quite criminal.

[Time for Change]

I’m not sure why people are still ranking Cade so high. There seems to be a lot of residual hype from the draft where he was touted as a 19 year old, do everything, 6’8 PG with elite shooting touch, consensus #1. Now he’s a 22 year old, injury prone, 6’5 combo guard with limited athleticism and no NBA 3 point range. I’m not saying he’s a bust, but his ceiling looks a lot lower than we’d hoped and I think it’s unlikely he ends up as one of top 5 players from this draft class.

[LarsV8]

The problem here is two schools of thoughts
1.) Who is better now
2.) Who projects to be better down the line (upside)

The way the question is phrased now, its more #2

Putting all that aside, what is really missing from this thread, is Sengun discussion.

As for who is currently producing, Sengun has been pretty **** amazing.

If you want to talk the guys that are producing right now: Wagner, Mobley, Sengun and Barnes

Can you include Green, Giddey, and Kuminga in this list?

I didn't include them because all of them are poor performers, not competitive in this list.

[CptCrunch]

Mobley
Wagner

Sengun

Barnes
Giddey

gap

Green
Cade

Top 5 is pretty close, Cade and Green are clearly the worst among this group.

[JT3000]

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Sengun? Where is this game developer located, Houston?

Your location is Orlando.
Checks out.

85 - Sengun, Green
84 - Franz

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that you're a fan of all Houston teams.

Real life > video games

[BIGJ1ER]

Not sure why people are outraged about Sengun, when I saw this post I thought Jalen Green being an 85 was clearly the worst of the bunch.

Young guys always get overrated on 2k though - Jaden Mcdaniels, who's probably more impactful currently than all of these guys bar Mobley and maybe Wagner is only a 77 on 2k.

Jalen Green is an 85 and is currently a net negative value nba player. He's being rated that off ceiling, which makes no sense

[zionland]

Wagner and Giddey in hindsight should have gone higher

[Lalouie]

i don't remember the order of the draft, but mobley from the day he stepped onto a college court changed the culture of the program. it was a program that had been in the dark depths of depression - a virtual black hole of college basketball.

from nothing to e8.
these are rare players who can reboot the history of a team

there's a cade cunningham or two in every draft and there's 3 or 4 greens in every draft, and hou is as horrible as it ever was IN A YEAR OF PARITY

[MrBigShot]

Plus professionals who get paid to rate players.

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The fact that you unironically referenced a 2k rating as some sort of evidence is legitimately the most hilarious thing I’ve seen on here all week.

Go watch a game for once

Yes, because 12 year fanboys on Realgm are much more credible than professionals.

These "professionals" literally raise a players rating when they complain about being rated too low on twitter. Do you really want to die on this hill of defending 2k ratings as something relevant to assessing players?

[reanimator]

I’m not sure why people are still ranking Cade so high. There seems to be a lot of residual hype from the draft where he was touted as a 19 year old, do everything, 6’8 PG with elite shooting touch, consensus #1. Now he’s a 22 year old, injury prone, 6’5 combo guard with limited athleticism and no NBA 3 point range. I’m not saying he’s a bust, but his ceiling looks a lot lower than we’d hoped and I think it’s unlikely he ends up as one of top 5 players from this draft class.

How does he "look" like anything when he hasn't played many games this year?

This is just a ridiculous thread full of hot takes, recency bias, and small samples.

[Yeezus_]

Barnes is extremely raw on both ends of the court still but you see flashes of what makes him special on the court, especially in January. It's been his best month as a pro in his career. Players have different developmental paths. Just because a few guys are better now, it doesn't mean they'll continue to develop ahead of the other guys.