DeAndre Jordan re-signs with the Clippers, DJ rescinds agreement with the Dallas Mavericks

Rendei · Post #941 » by **Rendei** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:34 pm

gipper08 wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Kobe, awesome:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/kobebnyant/status/618849189833871360[/tweet]

can someone explain all of these symbols?

If you scroll your mouse over it it'll tell you what the symbol is. In this case I assume Kobe is saying "ok, you guys are getting in planes, cars, boats, and whatever else to go after this guy. I'll sit at home."

GuyverX · Post #942 » by **GuyverX** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:34 pm

Yuri Vaultin wrote:
clippertown wrote:Can someone explain to he how DJ broke a "verbal" contract with Dallas when there was a moratorium on all deals? If it can't be signed, how can a verbal deal have any legal merit? It seems DJ made a promise but in no way was that a legal contract. In some ways, the moratorium may be there to prevent players being bullied by their agents and friends (some of them are pretty young).

He made them a promise. A very public promise that he was going to sign with them. A promise is a verbal contract of sorts.

It means nothing until the moratorium is lifted. NBA teams cannot make any type of legally binding contracts with players until that time. They can only discuss terms until then.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/618872176113008640[/tweet]

Ponchos · Post #943 » by **Ponchos** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:35 pm

Yuri Vaultin wrote:
clippertown wrote:Can someone explain to he how DJ broke a "verbal" contract with Dallas when there was a moratorium on all deals? If it can't be signed, how can a verbal deal have any legal merit? It seems DJ made a promise but in no way was that a legal contract. In some ways, the moratorium may be there to prevent players being bullied by their agents and friends (some of them are pretty young).

He made them a promise. A very public promise that he was going to sign with them. A promise is a verbal contract of sorts.

Did DJ publicly tweet it out? Or was it just public because the Mavs made it public?

IggyStardust · Post #944 » by **IggyStardust** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:35 pm

JonFromVA wrote: That's not what I'd call morally repugnant like what Loozer did, but legally it would appear that he entered a verbal contract with the Mavericks, and if he walks away from it, he could be sued for damages. Loozer, otoh, was not permitted by the CBA to enter in to any sort of binding agreement with the Cavaliers.

clippertown wrote:Can someone explain to he how DJ broke a "verbal" contract with Dallas when there was a moratorium on all deals? If it can't be signed, how can a verbal deal have any legal merit? It seems DJ made a promise but in no way was that a legal contract. In some ways, the moratorium may be there to prevent players being bullied by their agents and friends (some of them are pretty young).

Yuri Vaultin wrote:He made them a promise. A very public promise that he was going to sign with them. A promise is a verbal contract of sorts.

there was no contract, and recovery under promissory estoppel is not really colorable here.

(i just got an A in contracts)

clippertown · Post #945 » by **clippertown** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:36 pm

Yuri Vaultin wrote:
clippertown wrote:Can someone explain to he how DJ broke a "verbal" contract with Dallas when there was a moratorium on all deals? If it can't be signed, how can a verbal deal have any legal merit? It seems DJ made a promise but in no way was that a legal contract. In some ways, the moratorium may be there to prevent players being bullied by their agents and friends (some of them are pretty young).

He made them a promise. A very public promise that he was going to sign with them. A promise is a verbal contract of sorts.

Yeah, but breaking of promise while under moratorium is not as bad as actually signing a deal and forcing a trade. He came to his senses on what we were all saying was a ridiculous deal. He left the stronger team and $29M on the table for a personality dispute. It was fishy from the start. Who here has never second guessed themselves or changed their mind?

red32 · Post #946 » by **red32** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:36 pm

Lakers, you can still go after LA!

GuyverX · Post #947 » by **GuyverX** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:37 pm

Ponchos wrote:
Yuri Vaultin wrote:
clippertown wrote:Can someone explain to he how DJ broke a "verbal" contract with Dallas when there was a moratorium on all deals? If it can't be signed, how can a verbal deal have any legal merit? It seems DJ made a promise but in no way was that a legal contract. In some ways, the moratorium may be there to prevent players being bullied by their agents and friends (some of them are pretty young).

He made them a promise. A very public promise that he was going to sign with them. A promise is a verbal contract of sorts.

Did DJ publicly tweet it out? Or was it just public because the Mavs made it public?

DJ never talked about or mentioned signing with Dallas. At all. He's been completely silent about it. It's Cuban and the Mavs that have been talking about it to the press like it was already a done deal.

AsijsLV · Post #948 » by **AsijsLV** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:38 pm

Broussard has sauces

12 mins ago Broussard: I'm told DeAndre's meeting with LAC just ended

Woj 1 min ago: The Clippers meeting with DeAndre Jordan is underway in Houston, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Woj tweeted after that: Meeting has been on-going, I should clarify.

Ponchos · Post #949 » by **Ponchos** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:38 pm

GuyverX wrote:
Ponchos wrote:
Yuri Vaultin wrote:He made them a promise. A very public promise that he was going to sign with them. A promise is a verbal contract of sorts.

Did DJ publicly tweet it out? Or was it just public because the Mavs made it public?

DJ never talked about or mentioned signing with Dallas. At all. He's been completely silent about it. It's Cuban and the Mavs that have been talking about it to the press like it was already a done deal.

That certainly changes the equation a tad.

bklynstoops · Post #950 » by **bklynstoops** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:39 pm

GuyverX wrote:
Yuri Vaultin wrote:
clippertown wrote:Can someone explain to he how DJ broke a "verbal" contract with Dallas when there was a moratorium on all deals? If it can't be signed, how can a verbal deal have any legal merit? It seems DJ made a promise but in no way was that a legal contract. In some ways, the moratorium may be there to prevent players being bullied by their agents and friends (some of them are pretty young).

He made them a promise. A very public promise that he was going to sign with them. A promise is a verbal contract of sorts.

It means nothing until the moratorium is lifted. NBA teams cannot make any type of legally binding contracts with players until that time. They can only discuss terms until then.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/618872176113008640[/tweet]

so i guess you'd be ok with teams doing this as well. 'you know that 80 million we promised you? well, we thought about it and now that we waited until everyone actually signed contracts and no team has the cap room, we think you're only worth 60.'

LameR · Post #951 » by **LameR** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:40 pm

AsijsLV wrote:Broussard has sauces

12 mins ago Broussard: I'm told DeAndre's meeting with LAC just ended

Woj 1 min ago: The Clippers meeting with DeAndre Jordan is underway in Houston, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Woj tweeted after that: Meeting has been on-going, I should clarify.

Noticed that too, classic Broussard.

kd 35 · Post #952 » by **kd 35** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:40 pm

AsijsLV wrote:Broussard has sauces

12 mins ago Broussard: I'm told DeAndre's meeting with LAC just ended

Woj 1 min ago: The Clippers meeting with DeAndre Jordan is underway in Houston, league sources told Yahoo Sports. Woj tweeted after that: Meeting has been on-going, I should clarify.

That's... awesome. :lol:

I had a feeling that might be the case.

Soupman · Post #953 » by **Soupman** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:40 pm

So who do we sign to fill the gap at C?

Purch · Post #954 » by **Purch** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:40 pm

Hopefully some of the future free agents make verbal commitments with the clippers, and then attempt to change their mind at the last second.

Karma

Wonderllama · Post #955 » by **Wonderllama** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:41 pm

And I thought LaMarcus Aldridge took too much time. There must be a major disconnect between DJ and his agent.

JonFromVA · Post #956 » by **JonFromVA** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:42 pm

Train Wreck wrote:
JonFromVA wrote:
Chuck Texas wrote:
What Boozer did was far worse than this too.

Loozer weaseled his way out of a contract that was very favorable to the Cavs because he wanted to get paid sooner. He had an "understanding" with the Cavs that he would re-sign with them for the MLE even though it was known that another team with cap space could offer him more.

DeAndre at worst has changed his mind. That's not what I'd call morally repugnant like what Loozer did, but legally it would appear that he entered a verbal contract with the Mavericks, and if he walks away from it, he could be sued for damages. Loozer, otoh, was not permitted by the CBA to enter in to any sort of binding agreement with the Cavaliers.

The Cavs were greedy and foolish in that situation. They could only offer him the MLE and Boozer was going to get double that. They were hoping to get him locked up at below market rate for a long time. Should have been able to see that one coming.

Wrong.

The Cavs had him under contract for $500k for the next season making his cap hold for the next season when the Cavs would have cap space minimal. In that season, they would have had full Bird Rights to re-sign him to any sort of deal AFTER going out and signing who they wanted in free-agency.

They had every reason to not let him go, and even Jim Paxson (the GM at the time) disagreed with the decision to do so; but the owner okayed it because he wanted to treat Loozer right and took him at his word that his generosity would be reciprocated.

Loozer kept saying something to the extent of "show me respect, and I'll show you respect" ... well, where was the respect? When he pulled the battery out of his phone and stopped taking calls from the Cavaliers? When he signed a front-loaded contract with the Jazz designed to make it as hard as possible for the Cavs to clear space and match?

There's simply no comparison here.

Ponchos · Post #957 » by **Ponchos** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:44 pm

Purch wrote:Hopefully some of the future free agents make verbal commitments with the clippers, and then attempt to change their mind at the last second.

Karma

Elton Brand?

Wonderllama · Post #958 » by **Wonderllama** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:44 pm

If this doesn't end with DeAndre tweeting out a paper clip sign, I'm going to be very disappointed.

Post #959 » by **jbk1234** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:45 pm

GuyverX wrote:
Yuri Vaultin wrote:
clippertown wrote:Can someone explain to he how DJ broke a "verbal" contract with Dallas when there was a moratorium on all deals? If it can't be signed, how can a verbal deal have any legal merit? It seems DJ made a promise but in no way was that a legal contract. In some ways, the moratorium may be there to prevent players being bullied by their agents and friends (some of them are pretty young).

He made them a promise. A very public promise that he was going to sign with them. A promise is a verbal contract of sorts.

It means nothing until the moratorium is lifted. NBA teams cannot make any type of legally binding contracts with players until that time. They can only discuss terms until then.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/618872176113008640[/tweet]

It doesn't mean "nothing." The overwhelming majority of deals are reached during this time period based on a hand shake agreement. Teams rely on that agreement as do agents and players. Teams make decisions not to offer contracts to other players based on promises made to them. Players decide not to look for a different team based on promises made to them. Andre would be the first player of his caliber to agree to take a max contract from team A, and then go back on that promise. If this becomes the new normal, teams and players are going to find themselves left in the lurch.

Asif16 · Post #960 » by **Asif16** » Wed Jul 8, 2015 9:45 pm

Sources also confirm Doc and his fellow clipper peers brought a couple of LA strippers as well to persuade Jordan to stay in LA.